Wifi vs ethernet revisited


For this discussion I want us to forget the usual problems of wifi: stuttering, buffering, loss of signal strength. Let’s assume we have a strong, reliable wireless connection. Questions: how would you rank the following:

1. [No wireless, my current config] Ethernet from router -> Switch (or OM) -> fiber -> Etherregen -> ethernet -> streamer.

2. Eero wireless mesh -> receiver -> ethernet -> streamer.

3. Eero Wireless mesh -> receiver -> ethernet -> Etherregen -> ethernet -> streamer.

Or, to really go hybrid and (probably nuts):

4. Eero wireless mesh -> receiver -> ethernet -> Switch (or OM) -> fiber -> Etherregen -> ethernet -> streamer.

I haven’t done [4] yet. But to my ears, [1] definitely beats {2] and (less emphatically maybe) beats [3] even though I have a very strong Eero wireless mesh system. Maybe my assumptions to begin with are still wrong? I can’t seem to read a good forum thread where the usual stuttering’/buffering problems (that we all know about) are removed. Thanks in advance everyone!

 

debrajray

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please correct me if I misunderstood, but after each ethernet run to each of my two audio systems (one of them is over 40'), I have a short fiber-optic "moat" which gets reconverted to ethernet via etherregens before they enter the audio system; already noted in my original post. Would that not suffice against surges? (And point taken on the iFi.)

Sorry, yes it would! :)  Though worth noting that once a surge is in a wire (coax or Ethernet) it can go through connected devices to the AC.  That is, your fiber adapter itself can be a surge path via the AC.  So if you use this, make sure the power supply for the Ethernet --> Fiber converter is outside your surge protector, and your Fiber --> Ethernet (if any) is on the INSIDE of your surge protector.   Still, this is the approach I use to air gap between my incoming cable modem and Wifi router.  A 1m air gap with a good surge protector for the AC wall warts.    I also use a gas discharge coaxial surge protector OUTSIDE my home. 

I do have a couple of tips. If using Ethernet over long runs (20’ or more) use an IEC 60601 certified isolator at the end of the run. It adds 4kV of surge protection. Don’t use shorting Ethernet surge protectors. EverStar is cheapest, TrippLite, and Eaton have some at 2-3x the price. Nothing worse than losing a stack of equipment over blown network plugs. Audiophile versions are typically not tested to this standard so no idea how they’ll perform.

The other is if you have network devices near your audio/video gear consider upgrading the wall warts with iFi versions. They inject less noise back into your AC, but are typically 2x the cost of your Ethernet switch to begin with. 

I think most of this depends on the quality of your streamer.

I know you said to ignore Wifi issues, which is fine, but for critical path things like my work PC and streaming I stick to hard wired. That way when things don’t work I know it’s NOT the Wifi. Now, as for the rest of it, your stream comes down via a series of switches, possibly dozens, and shares the Internet freeqay with news, video, games, porn and billions of Internet of Things (IoT) devices before it gets to you. The music parceled out and put on the freway to be reconstructed at your streamer. Sometimes packets even arrive out of order, and often several packets don’t even take the same path to get to you but your streamer has to put it all together again in the right sequence. No regenerator or galvanic isolator is going to change that.

At best, at the very best we might be able to reduce the noise, and the risk of a cable based surge. The streamers (video and audio) all work by buffering. They hold several seconds of data in memory and dole it out as the TV or DAC needs it. In live video conferencing the buffers are shorter but still there.

Now, are all Wifi appliances equivalent? I don’t know. It’s quite possible some Mesh devices have a lot lower Internet jitter than others, and therefore are better at feeding your streamer, but again, the streamer should hold several seconds of data, and 100 to 200 milliseconds of jitter shouldn’t have anything t o do with it.

So, I only see two real differences in your options. 1 - Ethernet, 2, Mesh.

The other thing to consider is I really like to keep cheap wall warts outside of my power conditioned audio AC, so I also prefer to minimize devices that could potentially pollute that.  That includes PC's, mesh routers, etc. , so IMHO if you can remove all that  and stick to 1 Ethernet cable that's pretty good, though I admit to using fiber to air gap my incoming Internet from my Wifi router, but that's for surge paranoia.