Dear Zhuwei1231: I know that the M20E Super is very good and with almost any tonearm but I don't tested by more than six months now, in those times I heard it with a " normal " VTA/SRA.
Now, on the other subject, what I report is that the VMS30MK2 cartridge body can works like a M20FL cartridge body replacement and due that the 20E and 20FL owns the same body then yes the VMS body can works with the M20E stylus.
Regards and enjoy the music, Raul. |
Hi Raul,
I also running my M20FL with very high VTA and I measured its about 6mm from flat position. The sound I found is the fullest at this height. Is that what your experience is with the other cartridges?
Best,
BrianC |
Dear cashcamp: Yes that is exactly what I'm hearing but like I posted that is system/ears dependent as is dependent those 6mm , do you already try 8mm or 10mm? why not?
Regards and enjoy the music, Raul. |
Dear Zhuwei1231: IMHO I don't think that any one already try the Jico M20FL because the Jico stylus has conical shape instead the line contact in the NOS.
Regards and enjoy the music, Raul. |
Hi Raul,
I did try different positive VTA, but the m20fl seems to sound best(in my system)with about 5-6mm positive VTA over that it sounded thin. The other I have tried is A&R P77 which also seems to like positive VTA in the 3-4mm and last one I have tried is shure VxMR which in my system seems to like slight positive about 1-2mm.
Best,
BrianC |
Raul, When my table is completed I also plan to try the M20fl super on the EPA 500 H wand which should be a good match as well and allow for easy VTA adjustment. I also plan on trying the Nagaoka MP 50 with the one of my G wands. The MP 50 is heavier(8gm) with a lower compliance (12cu) which figures on paper to be a good match for the G. Time will tell whether this all proves to be true but I'm glad these cartidges are so available in NOS condition currently. |
Anyone who's interested in buying the "AKG P100 Limited Edition" cartridge that has been highly promoted on this thread can currently find one for sale online. I seem to have problems notifying people by using URL's on this thread so I will post it in a second comment here and then I will supply the address on my own Glanz thread at Audiogon.
I hope you hearing and taste accord with those who enjoy it so much and good luck with bidding. |
ALL,
If the url does not appear, the AKG P100-LE cartridge is now available at Yahoo Japan. Sinyi123 has proven really helpful in advising on such purchases in the past and might be able to assist if anyone wants to buy cartridge. Not only does he have some very helpful language skills but he is also the best researcher and finder of cartridges that I have ever come across. He also seems to be a decent human being: a rare commodity these days! |
This is because Siniy123 is also one of those rare human beings who owns a Kenwood L07D, like me.
Dgob, The tenor of your posts suggests that you personally have heard the AKG P100LE and found it wanting. Is this the case? Is so, can you write a few words about your impressions? |
The reasons for my personal lack of interest in buying the AKG for myself include my being completely satisfied with my options in the Glanz G5 (hopefully to be backed-up/replaced by a Glanz G7 or MFG 71L); Technics EPC-100c MK4 and Nagaoka MP50 cartridges on the MM/MI front.
I feel I have explored the key cartridges for this thread already (running from those identified here on my 'System' thread through to various more recent acquisitions - including the Ortofon M20FL)and have concluded my search. These are three truly stellar performers, being accurate and true to my preferences and experiences with various live performances at specific venues.
Good luck to those bidding |
Do Astatic MF100,200,300 share the same body?
Thanks |
Dear friends: Don't " exhaust " about I already buy that AKG sample.
NO, just kidding, I already have two samples of that great AKG P-100LE. IMHO with a better quality performance over any other vintage MM/MI cartridge I try it, only the EPC-P100CMK4 and the AT-ML-180-OCC are near the AKG performance althoug each one of these cartridges has a little different music presentation.
Well, I'm just thinking if the 20FL approach that performance level and I think is in the right road.
Dgob, if you own the P100CMK4 maybe it is not so important to have the 100-LE ( other that own maybe the best cartridge ever. ) but if you own the 100CMK4 then IMHO the 100LE is a must to have.
Btw, I totally agree on the Siniy123 whole subject.
Regards and enjoy the music, Raul. |
Dear friends: I have to " applaud " to Lewm again for his unusual high VTA discovery.
In all those cartridges that I already test and posted the benefit was not a tiny one but bigger than what we can think. I just test the Astatic MF-100 and the result was unbelievable, this cartridge has very good performance at " normal " VTA but with the higher VTA the cartridge is in other league: its perfromance is at the very top including cartridges like the AKG P100-LE. As a fact, all these cartridges where I reported on the high VTA its perfromance goes up to other quality level.
I want try the P100-LE with a different VTA/SRA that was accustom to but right now the Astatic MF-100 and the 20FL impede me to move to any other " direction " but to continue/following hearing and enjoying music through them, again: this MF-100 has a wonderful quality performance at this new VTA/SRA set up ( btw, I'm using the Dynavector 507 tonearm headshell. ).
Something that I'm just awareing with this VTA/SRA change is that the mid/low mid-bass change ( between other things. ) for the better in awesome manner given to the music a fullness that has/had not before. This fullness on this range create a more vivid/credible performance with or nearest to what we hear/heard in live events, is so organic/truer that even is hard to believe what I'm hearing, this is my first time ever with this kind of beautiful experience. On these cartridges the change in VTA/SRA made/makes a paramount difference and I mean it.
To say that I'm happy could be a misunderstood: I'm on audio heaven like never before!!!!
Maybe I never could " discover " this whole " magic " with out the Lewm post about.
Regards and enjoy the music, Raul. |
Dear Zhuwei1231: The shape body is similar but that is only what is similar between these Astatic cartridges. Its electrical characteristics are a little different and performs different but if you own them you can try the MF-100 stylus " body " on the MF-300 and see what happen.
I own them but I never try this kind of test.
Regards and enjoy the music, Raul. |
Zhu Wei, I think that Astatic MF-100/200/300 have physically same body. I believe (I might be wrong) that Astatic MF-100 body is different electrically. if you looking for replacement stylus I suggest you to buy matching stylus for same body model. This way you preserve the authenticity. In any case MF-100 stylus was still available few month ago from one nice gentleman in USA. Hope this helps. |
Dgob, if you are talking about this http://page8.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/h134191790
I don't think its a complete cartridge, but collection of disassembled parts for instructional or marketing purposes :) |
Siniy123, I think the Yahoo Auction in question is here. By going through that dealer's online storefront, they have a 10% off sale for the next couple of weeks but I do not know if it applies to items on consignment like this one. |
WRT the AKG cart link in my previous post, keep in mind that there is 5% sales tax which needs to be added onto that dealer's prices. |
Dear T_bone: Thank you for the link.
I think that that price is a very fair one for a cartridge like this one even if the price was 5K dls. IMHO still fair.
I own the serial numbers: 4221 and 4121. My only " concern " on the cartridge at the picture is that shiny at the front of the cilinder cartridge body, no one of my two AKG samples comes or see in that way.
I hope one of you can put his hands on this " baby ", good luck.
regards and enjoy the music, Raul. |
Dear friends: Any one of you could help me with your advise ( by email. ) on how I can post pictures?, I want to make the review of some cartridges and if is possible I want to post along cartridge pictures.
Thank you in advance.
Regaqrds and enjoy the music, Raul. |
Raul, I take as much credit for "discovering" the need for positive VTA with the M20FL as would Isaac Newton for describing the force of gravity after that apple fall on his head (except Newton WAS a genius and that story is apocryphal). Anyway, I note that both you and I are using Dynavector tonearms with the Ortofon (DV507 in your case, DV505 in my case). Could it be that there is some extreme synergy between these tonearms and the M20FL Super? Interesting to think about. We seem to like the cartridge more than most others, and I would describe the sound in terms similar to yours. |
Raul, You could either make a new "system" on Audiogon and post the pictures there, and make links to them that way, or you could get a photobucket account and post them there. I cannot remember if there is a way to post pictures into the thread itself. |
M20FL Super problem
I finally setup the Ortofon M20FL on my Phantom tonearm and it has a grounding issue. A buzzing is coming thru the speakers loud enough for it to interfere with listening to music. You touch the tonearm and it the Buzz gets louder. You touch the cartridge pins on the insulation and the buzz gets louder. You remove the ground wire from the phono stage and the buzz is VERY LOUD, and just loud when you re-attach it.
I have checked the connections and pulled the stylus in and out and no change. I have never had any issues with grouding before with the Phantom, in fact never any cartridge before.
Has anyone had this problem before or any ideas to/or if it can be removed - or is the cartridge no good?
thanks |
A cartridge, any cartridge, has no "ground" side, except whereas you connect it up via a single-ended input, where one phase of the cartridge output is connected to ground. Cartridges are inherently balanced output devices with floating ground. I guess this is my way of saying that the cartridge is unlikely to be the source of the problem. Check the wires that go between tonearm and phono stage; perhaps one of them has developed a short to ground. Is the tonearm grounded to the phono stage, or just the turntable? I suppose it is possible that your sample of the M20FL is defective. If you have an ohmmeter, you can check to see whether there is any resistance between the "hot" and "ground" pins of each channel. If there is continuity, then your cartridge does have a problem. (Should read 750 to 800 ohms, according to above posts.) Apropos of that, do you hear the hum in both channels? If possible, try listening in another rig. (Try the P10, if this is happening with the P3, for example.) Good luck. |
Dear Lewm: Maybe I don't explain well in what I posted.
I'm not using the 507 only its headshell ( model ) and I'm using it not with the 20FL but with the Astatic MF-100 on an AT 1503MK3 tonearm.
Actually the M20FL is mounted in a Grace G-940 with a " simple/plain " ( even I don't know who was the headshell manufacturer. ) and nothing especial aluminum headshell.
Maybe the differences on the 20FL quality performance perceptions are not only because different set-ups but because this cartridge has 33+ years was build and can be differenecs in cartridge samples due to this very long time where maybe some cartridge parameters could changed.
I don't try yet my three cartridge samples to find if its performance is the same.
Regards and enjoy the music, Raul. |
Dear T_bone: Thank's for your advise.
I already see pictures directly on thread/post but I can't remember where.
Regards and enjoy the music, Raul. |
Downunder, 10/10 it is a mounting bolt nut that touches the cart body (screen), I mentioned this issue about the sensitivity of the MP-50. as it turns out the M20FL is the same susceptible. If this happens the cart screen is connected to the arm's grounding and creating an earth loop. greetings, Axel |
Does Dual/Ortofon M20E share same body as M20FL/E Super?It's in gold color |
Downunder,
I have not had that problem with the M20 but did have it with the MP50. I have had a similar problem in the past but it transpired that there was a break in my phonocable. I don't suppose there is any chance that that might be the case here!?
Good luck |
Lewm, the M20FL is on the TW Raven/Phantom. the Phantom tonearm ground wire is connected to the phono stage. I do have a multimeter - Do I remove the cartridge from the tonearm to check the hot and ground pins of each chanel? not sure exactly what to do as this has never happened before.
Axcel, I will double check if nut is touching the side of the cart body, but I don't think so as I remember the troubles you had with your MP50 and I am using the screws that came with the cart from Thakker.
If all else fails I'll take it off the Phantom and put it onto a headshell and try on P3 and/or P10.
Pity, It sounds pretty good thru the humm and buzzing :-(
thanks |
Dear Downunder: You have to check for continuty on the internal tonearm cabnle/wires and in the IC tonearm to phono stage cable.
For separate check the cartridge as Lewm point out.
Regrads and enjoy the music, Raul. |
Well, like Shane, I have just mounted my M20FL on the Phantom II (but no RFI or ground loop), and with less than 10 hours on the cartridge, I have to confirm what Raul and everyone has said about this wonderful little jewel. For less than $200 everyone can now enjoy a performance equal to (or better than) IMO, the very best LOMC cartridges eg ZYX Universe & Dynavector DV1s!
As people have recommended, I am tracking at 1.5gm and have the VTA at the highest point that will still allow the Phantom arm-lift to operate (the bubble on the micro-poise is slap-dab in the middle of the right hand black line).
I may be wrong (as the control knob is on the rear of the Halcro DM10) but contrary to common wisdom, the treble detail increased as I wound back from 60K Ohm down to 10K Ohm. Is this possible? At the moment I have it on about 30K Ohm and Capacitance at 160 uF. To really achieve the best performance out of these MM cartridges, it really is important to have a great adjustable phono-stage. It really is a deal breaker IMO.....much more so than for MC cartridges?
At this stage (and it is very early), the M20FL seems to be as good or better than my original Garrott P77? Now the interesting thing here is that the P77 sounded fine on the Phantom II until I mounted my other P77 on the Copperhead arm at the same time. I was stunned! The P77 in the Copperhead just blew away the Phantom so completely that I thought there must be something wrong with the stylus of the Phantom P77 so I swapped them over..... with no resulting difference!
The question will be........can the Copperhead improve upon the M20FL in the same way??? This is for another occasion.
Yet again I find myself bowing to Raul and his crusade displayed by this thread. As he continues to chastise us for falling for the PR scam of ever pricier MC cartridges, I too am a convert to the cause. And damn.....I just bought another Universe!? |
Downunder, you can do a simple test. Turn up the volume, arm is in the arm rest, until you can clearly hear the buzz from either one, or both channels). Now slightly loosen the mounting screws and lightly move the cart to and fro. If I'm correct you will hear the buzz changing, or completely subsiding. Now you re-tighten the screws again (the nuts will turn a bit again) and the buzz will probably come back (as it would do during re-alignment of the cart). This will tell you it's the mounting bolt(s) shorting the cart's screen to ground. From there you will know what to do and how to prevent it (I guess :-), there is more then one way to fix this. Axel |
Dear Halcro Good to read that what you heard through the 20FL is similar of what some of us heard.
Yes the M20FL Super is very good like other vintage MM/MIs, one advantage on the 20FL is that today exist a source for the cartridge when in other MM/MIs we have to be " fishing " trough the Net.
About loading we know that in many ways is system dependent and in this case you are using 160pf additional to the cable capacitance and the cartridge is sensible to this factor: more capacitance gives more " highs ". So, your loading ( impedance/capacitance ) is a little different than mine. Can you change that capacitance loading in your Phonolinepreamp?, I agree with you these cartridges needs care about loading and not only on impedance ( like LOMC ) but on capacitance where we have to " play " with two parameters and its relationship to achieve the best performance on the cartridges.
It will be interesting how the 20FL performs on your Copperhead.
I have to say that the 20FL like other MM/MIs are very friendly with tonearms.
Btw, in my system I prefer the 20FL quality perfromance over the Garrot P77.
Regards and enjoy the music, Raul. |
I spent a half day bedding in a Helikon with Soundsmith's optimized line-contact stylus re-tip on original Lyra boron cantilever. This replaces an Empire 888X-EX with fresh NOS .2 x.7 mil stylus that has been happily singing on Trans-Fi linear air arm for about 200 hrs. With continuously variable optocoupler load resistors it was possible to quickly transition from 75K-85K optimal load for Empire, to 200R for Helikon. The fixed 48db gain of my modded ARC PH-2 phono stage works well both for MM/MI & a MOMC like the .5mV Helikon.
As enjoyable as the 888 has been, there is not a single area in which it equals the Soundsmith Helikon. The Soundsmith OLC tip pulls much more nuance & detail out of the grooves-- evidenced as well by a dredging up of dirt that had been skated over by the Empire elliptical. However, as a relative novice with respect to comparing cartridges, I am struck how much a single weakness may overwhelm one's opinion of a cartridge. The Empire's notable signature is over-warm and slightly undifferentiated LF. The retipped Helikon is particularly authoritative and articulate in LF. Like a good subwoofer the superior bass of this cartridge opens up a large & ambient soundstage with perception of improved separation all through the FR. There are other meaningful differences between these cartriges, but LF is where they really part company.
As the 888 is the most colored of my several MM/MI, it will be interesting to move comparison to Helikon up the line to P-76 and MF-100. |
Dear Dgarretson: I can't talk about the Empire 888X-EX but I can talk about the MF-100 that you own.
I urge you to try it with that unsual high VTA/SRA, I hope that like me you can/could have a very nice " surprise " with its quality performance and over that Helikon.
Regards and enjoy the music, Raul. |
Hi All,
For information, I contacted the UK Ortofon representative who informed me that: "The bodies of the FL and FL Super were both supposed to be gold (to differentiate it from the VMS series). However, it may be that, at the end of production, some silver bodies were used (only the outer metal housing) to complete production. Having said that, the colour of the metal has no influence on the sound."
Similarly, the German retailer who is selling them on eBay informed me that: "The silver & the golden body have the same performance."
Hope this helps |
Dear Raul,
Yes, my Halcro DM10 Phonolinepreamp allows infinitely variable Resistance between 10K Ohms and 60K Ohms and infinitely variable Capacitance between 70uF and 490uF for MM/MI. I find the Resistance settings very easy to hear even whilst standing at the Preamp turning the knob. The Capacitance changes are far more subtle to hear and requires me to sit and listen carefully after each alteration.
The M20FL is improving every day and it now exceeds the performance of nearly all the expensive MC cartridges I have had in my system. The 'body' of the music with the natural midrange (easily heard on vocals) combined with translucent ethereal highs which contain ALL the delicate details synonymous with LOMC make for an intense musical pleasure often missing with MCs. The soundstage (both width and depth) is palpable and luscious whilst the bass is as deep (if not quite as detailed just yet) as any MC except the Dynavector DV1s.
The interesting thing for me is that, whilst you and I have completely different turntables and arms, we are hearing almost identical things from the same cartridges? Surely this demonstrates that once you achieve a certain level of playback accuracy, the 'type' of turntable and its drive system together with the 'type' of arm and its length becomes 'incidental' as long as the implementation is excellent don't you think?
Regards Henry |
It is really fascinating to read your report, Henry (Halcro). It confirms that I have not lost my mind (or my hearing), nor am I being subconsciously swayed by the herd mentality that this thread may engender. I am also interested to learn about Mike Lavigne's experience, assuming his M20FL has arrived from Thakker.
I am running my MM/MI cartridges thru the Ayre P5Xe set to its lowest gain. The Ayre is a minimalist design and does not afford adjustment of input capacitance. The options for load resistance are 100, 1000, and 47K ohms, so only the highest value makes sense for any MM/MI. One of these days I need to call Ayre to ask about the input capacitance, but by my examination of the circuit board, I see no capacitor per se in parallel with the input, so the capacitance is probably just that of the input transistor plus that of the wiring. (Transistors have significant input capacitance.) Anyway, I must be lucky, because with 47K load and the unknown capacitance, the M20FL Super is just great. I really feel no need to mess around with the load. |
Dear Halcro: +++++ " Surely this demonstrates that once you achieve a certain level of playback accuracy, the 'type' of turntable and its drive system together with the 'type' of arm and its length becomes 'incidental' as long as the implementation is excellent " +++++
I agree and wouuld like to add some thoughts about:
IMHO your statement is similar of many experiences I had not only on the cartrridge subject but with other audio items but ( alway exist the " but " ) that happen when the audio systems has similar/alike level performance and each one person has similar/alike music perception capacity.
In other non-Agon forum some of the people that are trying the M20FL Super have experiences a little different of what we report and that differences IMHO ( and through my experiences on the subject. ) comes in " natural " way due to audio system performance level due to audio system limitations. Almost all their audio system are on the mid/low high-end performance level, they can't appreciate the true performance of this cartridge but not because the cartridge it self but because those systems does not have a high level performance. Even many of them compare the 20FL with other MM and MC cartridges that I know very well and that are or have an inferior level performance than the 20FL but where they think are at the same level.
Regards and enjoy the music, Raul. |
Raul, may I add to your remarks. IMO once the rest of the system "arrives" at a certain level of refinement, it is possible to enjoy a relatively wide range of cartridges without much preoccupation as to which is best. Put another way, top systems seem to be converging on a particular sound. I heard this happening at CES/THE Show in a wide range of contexts from top SET to OTL to PP amps, and top speakers from field coil horn to dynamic. There is just a lot more clarity and linearity in top speakers and amps than just a few years ago. Phono cartridges seem to be a bit different, with varying colorations that don't seem to disturb the senses as much as colorations in other areas of the system. |
Dear Dgarretson: +++++ " may I add to your remarks. IMO once the rest of the system "arrives" at a certain level of refinement, it is possible to enjoy a relatively wide range of cartridges without much preoccupation as to which is best." +++++
no single doubt about. That's why I report on so many cartridges where almost all of them are at top level performance.
In the past and due that I was reporting cartridge performance , one after the other, where all those cartridges really had top performance Lewm posted that each one report " was the cartridge of the week " ( new kid on the blok. ), but was not in that way what was happening is exactly what you posted.
Btw, if I post that " this is better than this " is only a personal reference opinion that could help to other people.
Regards and enjoy the music, Raul. |
Dear Lewm: +++++ " It confirms that I have not lost my mind (or my hearing), nor am I being subconsciously swayed by the herd mentality that this thread may engender. " +++++
I know what you mean because many times I feel or think that " if what I'm hearing is what I'm hearing ".
As we growing up on our each one audio learning curve as we need less that " confirmation ", we trust more and more in our " ears " but a " confirmation " on what we are hearing ( for other person(s). ) give us " calm " on mind. Our audio hobby is not a " stand alone/solitaire" one it is a hobby that always " eat " from what other and we have to share on our daily audio/music experiences.
Regards and enjoy the music, Raul. |
First the idler-drive crowd led me to listening to a Lenco. Then I listened to some direct-drive turntables. Now I have examples of both types and no belt-drive tt at all. Then you initiated this thread on MM/MI cartridges. So, in about 2 years of experimentation, I went from a guy who never owned more than one tt at a time and who ONLY ever owned belt-drive tts, to a guy with multiple idler- and belt-drive tts and one who has been completely diverted by MM/Mi cartridges. Since I had done so little experimentation in all my previous audio life and therefore had a small database, I have/had to constantly question what my own ears are telling me. If other guys with elaborate systems and well developed tastes are coming to similar conclusions, the whole thing makes more sense. |
Well I measured the resistance of the M20FL-S and both chanels measured around 730 ohms. Swapped the Phantom arm cable for the Ortofon arm cable - still buzz.
Progressed to measure phono to pre amp cable, tonearm to phono cable, 5 pin din connectors on Phantom tonearm to phono cable side. All these measured around 0 ohms.
Funny you could hear the Raven motor start and stop thru the tweeter. moved cart pins back n forth per Axel - no change.
Put Empire 1080LT (cart allready aligned onto headshell) onto Ortofon tonearm and played thru same Mac MM stage - SILENT WTF!
Installed the M20FL-S onto Exclusive P3 today and it plays fine - no noise - silent.
If anyone has any ideas why it was noisy on the Raven/Phantom - all measured as working, yet silent on same table with Empire 1080LT, I am all ears, or just one of those strange unexplained things in audio.
Now that the M20FL is on a headshell, I will move it across to the Ortofon to see if it makes any of the buzzing noises it made on the Phantom.
Anyway, I have extreme arse up VTA and it sounds very good - less than 5 hours on the cart, so will need to listen more as it breaks in, rather than obsess about how much arse up :>) Seems to have more personality than the Nag MP-50 which seems more neutral.
With the sound I am getting from the Nag MP-50 and potential the M20FL-S is giving, my rebuild of the dyna XV-1 is certainly on the back burner.
Trouble is I need another MM phono stage and a couple more headshells. Any recommendations?
cheers
cheers |
Dear Downunder: How close do you have the Raven power supply and/or the motor from the 20FL?
It is clear that there is no problem with the Phantom ( Halcro is using it with the 20FL. ) but something " around " that could be almost anything: motor TT, TT PS, cable " orientation ", etc, etc..
+++++ " you could hear the Raven motor start and stop thru the tweeter " +++++
this comes from the PS desing that are not " blokcing " this kind of transient on the switching.
Why your cartridge is so sensitive about? is something hard to say.
Is dificult to help in this kind of problem if we are not " there " to make some tests.
Good that you are hearing the cartridge in a different set up. Please let us your findings after 30 hours of play with the 20FL.
Regards and enjoy the music, Raul. |
Raul
The power supply is on the 2nd shelf quite a way from turntble. I could not put it next to the phono stage on 1st shelf as in the past as you could hear turntable being switched on thru speakers again. strange how Empire 1080LT on Ortofon arm works fine, but not Phantom - Ortofon MF20 ? both on same turntable |
Dear Downunder: I have these headshells and works very good:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Belldream-HS-52-Cartridge-Headshell-Made-in-Japan_W0QQitemZ350278613032QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item518e3b7828#ht_500wt_1182
Regards and enjoy the music, Raul. |
I would like to know how much of a compromise in performance occurs when loading these various MM/MI cartridges at 47K? Must one invest heavily in a phono amp with variable cartridge loading or find one with 100k loading in order to achieve the excellent results.
Raul in your experience can you relate what happens when playing "Pictures at an Exhibition" at 100k vs 47k? Finally is there anyone out there who is achieving stellar results at 47k loading?
Thanks for your input.
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thanks Raul
This one is not very expensive compared to Juki's other headshells. I see it has azimuth adjustment.
I have 3 different ortofon headshells now, so want a couple of new ones.
Have you tried any of Juki's other more expensive headshells from Ikeda, orsonic, Yamamoto - or I am better off just getting two of the Bellbream headshells ?
cheers |