After having great experience with Furutech GTX-R, I have now replaced all wall outlets with them for all my systems and maybe replace those in the power conditioners as well (not that easy as I have Audience PC).
I would appreciate more comparisons between the GTX-R and the Oyaide R1, thanks!
IME, the ROI of upgrading wall sockets is much higher than spending $$$ on power cables.
To Almarg: as for reducing the resistance, should one consider soldering the joints additionally? On a related topic: I have soldered all the connections in my speakers (leaving the spades connectors in their original positions) with Cardas Quad Eutectic and got a noticeable improvement in sound. |
06-21-14: Jazzonthehudson
To Almarg: as for reducing the resistance, should one consider soldering the joints additionally? My guess is that use of a good contact cleaner would provide the same benefits (if any) that soldering would. As I indicated earlier: The basic point to my previous post was to provide a quantitative perspective on the differences in resistance that were cited .... I believe that if in fact there are differences in the behavior of those outlets that are audibly perceptible to some listeners in some systems, the differences in resistance that were indicated in the reference are very unlikely to be the reason. And even if there is a difference and resistance is the reason, the difference could work in either direction (good or bad), depending on the happenstance of the line voltage at the particular location and on the design of the particular components. Also, I would have some concern that applying enough heat to the terminals of an outlet for solder to flow properly, given that the outlet's internal conductors and the heavy gauge power wiring will conduct a good deal of that heat away, might result in internal damage to the outlet. Not something I would want to take any chances with. IMO. Other opinions may differ, of course. Regards, -- Al |
Almarg, check out that thread about up-grading rca connections, a member posted that he used weed eater line inside the cable around his conductors, LOL!, no, this is not a joke, I hope it's not, maybe, He seemed serious about the improved sound! |
Thanks Al, for your always swift and to the point responses! As for contact cleaners, I use DeoxIt Gold for AC and Stabilant 22 for audio signal connections.
Bought a set of Oyaide M1/F1 to see if they fit in my system |
Hi audiolabyrinth..!.. I have just received my récepticale this morning And it´s similaire to the one used in my Sound application the only différence is the color " white"i Will see once i change it against the one already on the wall "oyaide R1" but that could take a week before making any jugement
It needs to Break in Will let you know only Time Will help to find out if Hubbell is the Ferrari of all the réceptacles or not. Thx for being patiente |
Thanks chahed, I look forward to your impressions. |
this réceptacle " Hubbell HBL5362w" had been connected only two days´ It´s feeding my Sound application And i CAN say it gives back the joy that you may have lost in the past.. i Will not take it off
Nor replace it.. It´s by far very impressif very clean Sound And dark Back ground...👍..still breaking in Much better than my Old réceptacle "oyaide R1".. Imo with my system...And i dare say the best is yet to Côme .. Best valu for money... Have a try..!!!!👏... Will give you a full feed-Back later... Thx. |
Audiolabyrinth,
I have tried both gold and rhodium IEC inlets. I was surprised when I heard the gold veiling the sound. Out it came and back in went the rhodium. |
I am getting A very naturel Sound with this réceptacle And still breaking in Hubbell... The5362W...😎.. the one i think i Was looking for....😜 |
Hi Sabai, welcome to the thread, Is the rhodium forward sounding, I do not want to destroy a 3- dimensional sound! |
"I do not want to destroy a 3- dimensional sound!"
Anyone who messes up a 3D sound has to deal with Bo. He won't put up with anything under 3 dimensions. |
Once upon a time on a similar thread these words came off my finger tips.
I purchased single outlet Hubbell 6361's less resonance I believe, all brass and copper save for some external mounting and one terminal screw which I replaced for brass. I had these triple cyro'd and ordered single gang stainless [virtually non magnetic] steel mounting plates. $6 for each of the outlets $6 for the plates and 20 bucks for the cryo for the 10 I had treated. In the past I found some name brand Gucci priced duplex's that were suppose to be entirely non ferrous, non magnetic. Guess what with the aid of a neodymium magnet I made the internal parts hop around so they were not as written non magnetic. I sent all these back. Some complain that copper based alloys may oxidize and wear more quickly the single plugs are always full and never unplugged. All my power cords use copper connectors as well so I may never see or hear the affects of galvanic corrosion. I believe in the synergy of using the same materials.Tom |
I was thinking about my post above regarding plating. I got this off the Cardas web site.
"Materials: All of our male RCA plugs are machined from brass. Contact surfaces are plated with silver, silver with a rhodium flash, or gold. Outer barrels are plated with silver or gold. Dielectric is FEP."
If you read above, a brass rca connector is plated with silver. After that, they plate it again with gold or rhodium. That's 3 different metals. So if you buy either a gold or rhodium connector, it has a silver plate underneath that you are probably not aware of. I'm wondering how much that intermediate plate has on sound quality. |
I would like to know, what is better, The best Furetech or the best Oyaide recepticle, I researched them, they are very similiar, the one thing I cannot come to terms with is the fact neither recepticle has a isolated ground on them, and at the asking price, that's really inadequete! |
I decided on getting the furetech GTX-D recepticle gold, the spring clamping and the way the conductor is put in a hole on the back, then tighten the screw on the side all the way down on the raw electrical conductor was the deciding factor to me, I believe this will sound better just by the way it is designed, cheers. |
http://www.hubbellcatalog.com/wiring/datasheet.asp?PN=HBL5361
Side and back mounts for wire. You can clamp just the bare wire. All brass non ferrous. The parts/screws that are magnetic you can replace with brass. 6-8 US on Ebay and then you can have a whole bucket full cryo'd for cheap. These sound really good. Lower resonance than a standard duplex. Tom |
Hi
For The Elrod Statement Gold yours vote GO to Furuteck FI48 or FI50?
Gold or Rodium? |
Mehdi, It depends if you need a more forward presatation that Rhodium does, The gold will give a little more laid back sound, which is what I like, I believe the FI50 Gold would be spot on, power cables already give a little imeadiate presatation to me, I would hate it if the sound was in my face at all times, that would cause listener fatigue to me, so my opinion would be, go Furetech gold fI50. |
Mehdi, This is funny, I was in deep thought about changing the terminations Of my Tara Labs Cobalt power cord, My cobalt has Oyaide terminations, however, I discovered the model is oyaide p-079 and c-079, not bad sounding at all really, But believing state of the art terminations, if it's Oyaide or furetech, would be hugely beneficial, alot cheaper than buying a whole new power cable, I could be the only audiophile out there to have a custom Tara Labs Cobalt power cord, If I did this, of course I would get Tara Labs To do the termination, they say, alot of a cables sound depends on the quality of plugs and IEC, If this was not true, why does Tara Labs themselfs offer this power cord in either wattgate or oyaide?, this model oyaide on my power cord is extreme resolution with a touch of warmth, so I do not know exactly what would be a good match, I would have to consult with chris Vanhaus of VH-audio for opinions if I decide to do such a possible up-grade? |
I have discussed power outlets with an audio equipment manufacturer who likes the Furutech GTX-D (G) outlets. Not sure all that he has tried but he definitely likes the Furutech outlets. I use Porter Ports and have no complaints, but have not tried either the Furutech or Oyaide.
Regarding resistance, I recently had a high current amplifier rebuilt for me and when selecting power cords I chose a good sounding Neotech cord (using OCC wire, double shielding, etc.) but the cord I had was "only" 11 awg so I asked the builder whether I needed a larger gauge cord and he replied that the 11 gauge size was more than large enough.
I think audiophiles sometimes believe their gear needs more current than is actually necessary. For example, even the largest high current Class A amps I have owned only had 8 amp fuses, even though I ran them off of dedicated 20 amp lines, one for each monoblock. It is my understanding that it would be unusual for amplifiers to draw that amount of current and certainly not for any sustained period of time. The actual current needed for playing music is much lower but in the larger amps the power supply capacitors can discharge larger amounts of current for transient demands.
I do believe stable power is important so my recommendation is always to put money into dedicated audio lines (before buying fancy power cords) so you don't have to worry about lights or refrigerators powering on while playing music. One thing I did with my amp was to have the builder hard wire the Neotech power cord (I know...retro) because I believed that by starting with a pretty high quality cord in the first place, my next best upgrade would be to eliminate a plug and IEC entirely. It also helps me resist the temptation to buy new power cords! |
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Ok
I will go for the Furuteck FI50 US plugs/ IEC
And Respectacle Furuteck GTX-D outlets
But I didn't make my decision if it´s gold or Rodium.
Thank's for all |
Also I have the Sound Application RLS 6 Outlets it´s necessary Upgrade the respectacle by Furuteck GTX-D ? |
I was in deep thought.....
You can't make this up folks. |
Thankyou Mitch2, your contribution was well welcomed by me!, your recepticle link was very informative, Though the Furetech GTX-D gold may be my pick, after reading what was said in the link, the outlets seem to be about system matching, the Hubbell outlet was interesting at what it does for the mid-range, I would have liked to read a direct comparison of the Furetech GTX-D Gold versus Rhodium, The reviewer did not have a Gold on hand, maybe you can find a reviewer comparison of the two?, I will study your link more precisely, I do not know if this may be of interest to anyone, Chris Vanhaus of Vh-Audio sells many recepticles, and even gets some cryo treated that did not come that way, My point here is that he swears by the Furetech GTX-D gold for my Krell 700cx amp and my vincent cd-s7 tube digital player that consist of 4 tubes, on another note, have any of you got into place before a product in your system that was so revealing that you could clearly reconize your weakest point in your audio chain?, I am in that position, clearly, LOL!, My $6.50 20 amp recepticle on the amp, and $1.00 recepticle that came with house has to go, I have found out that with a profound after market power cord compaired to the stock power cord, the stock power cord hid many factors I was not aware of, now that they are exsposed, The recepticles are the weak link!, cheers gentleman. |
Recommendations? The furutech GTX-D gold or Rhodium?, one recepticle for the Krell 700cx, the other for a lovely sounding tube vincent cd-s7 digital player. |
Any discussion of outlets is incomplete without mentioning the plug that goes into it. It's a package, they are never used separately. They should be thought of as one unit. |
Hi RJa, My aftermarket power cord has the Oyaide plug-079 and IEC-079 gold plated, I talked to chris there at vh-audio, He still recommends the Furutech GTX-D gold for my amp and tube digital, so I believe I may be going that direction, I just wanted to know what the community thinks of the sound differences between the two, gold or rhodium Furutech GTX-D recepticles? |
I decided to buy for my audio systems the Furuteck
FI 50 (U.S. plugs / IEC) + Respectacle Furuteck GTX-D.
I ask your advice RODIUM OR GOLD?
Thanks |
Mehdi, this depends on equipment, I was told, for digital to use Furutech GTX-D Gold, and for solid state amps, use the same, but for tube amps and pre-amps to use the Rhodium version, hope this helps, give me a reply back. |
Audiolabyrinth Thank you for your suggest
I can mixte used Rodium and Gold |
"07-07-14: Audiolabyrinth
Recommendations? The furutech GTX-D gold or Rhodium?, one recepticle for the Krell 700cx, the other for a lovely sounding tube vincent cd-s7 digital player."
I've been very busy for a while now and haven't been able to keep up with my threads. It's good to see you've found a CD player that you like. And by the looks of it, you're trying to finally plug your Krell in. And now for the big question. lol. Are the tubes in your Vincent hard wired to the board or are they in a socket? |
Hi Zd542, The vincent cd-s7 that I have has tube gold plated tube sockets, I am at 134 hours of burn-in on the modded Krell 700cx, and I have 534 hours of burn-in on the vincent player, and of course all my cables are re-burning in as well, the krell sounds different!, totally better, the treble is the best I have ever heard from a amp at any cost, griainless pure bliss, 1 year and a couple of weeks is a long time Zd542 to be without high-end tunes, I have more hours on the vincent from useing it thru the tube dedicated headphone amp that is on the player to burn-in the Tara Cobalt power cord and do critical listening of the power cord, Zd542, Do you own any tube products?, cheers. |
"Zd542, Do you own any tube products?, cheers."
I may be able to find a piece or two laying around the house. |
Ha, ha, Zd542, so you run all solid state?, or you are getting me to laugh, which is good, you got some tube equipment in your system? |
I've had lots of tube gear over the years. I am kind of surprised in that most of my gear is now SS. I only have 2 pieces of tube gear currently. I have a VAC amp in my 2nd system and an Aesthetix preamp in my main system. But in my main system, my CD player has a volume control. I go back and forth. Sometimes I prefer the preamp, and other times I like just the CD player. It really depends on the recording. If I had to choose just 1 way, I would leave the preamp in the system. |
@ Zd542, Thats funny you mentioned solid state,In the late 90s, solid state was far and away better than tube equipment, then tube equipment got alot better, everyone wanted tube equipment, now in the last two years, solid state has come full circle again, that is what I am considering in the next two years, going all solid state, the vincent sounds great, however, I have been keeping up with a digital thread about red-book dacs, The Imperical Audio ODSE has sparked interest, I bet it is a fine sounding machine, and for the asking price, It has beaten out much more exspensive Dacs in matt's shoot out, including tube dacs!, right now I plan on doing tweeks like these Furutech GTX-D Gold recepticles and Etc.... |
Never late than ever to choose the adequate réceptacle for your system😉...i am going to surprise you dear audiophiles...😉.. uncanny but for my system the most suitable is HUBBELL HBL 5362 w weither for its price or Sound performance ..after almost 1 month And half i dare say it bettered my Oyaide RI...it does not Sound at all hifi it clean the power And gives you the cleanest Sound you CAN imagine...
I am honestly very serious with the words..you CAN trust me..what you're reading is correct...it is worth trying Go ahead..beleive me
It is the best And i have said to MEHDI on the phone.all my powercords are BMI statement oceanic +hammerhead /JPS aluminata/genesis rick schult david And they all reacted positively with this under dog réceptacle ...That´s the one you need try...hope my testimonial CAN be help full to anyone looking for the best without having to empty his bank account..😜 chahed |
Hi Chahed, which model Hubbell HBL 5362 did you get?, the model with isolated ground, or without?, you are one of the few that has echoed these findings, years ago, I owned Hubbells best recepticles, I cannot remember the model, just hospital grade, they sounded great to me too, I still have not made my purchase yet, I have been sold on to buy the furutech GTX-gold recepticles, I have had many reputible dealers and audiophiles alike swear they are the best money can buy for sound?, do you have exsperience with the Furutech GTX Rhodium or Gold recepticles?, cheers. |
Hi audiolabyrinth ..And all of you ..No i did not comper it to furutech GTX..i wish i could..never the less i am very happy with habbell result for the Time being..i Will see And have a try for another month And Will put Back the Old réceptacle to keep you informed And to confirm.
This réceptacle is an excellent one very natural very clean Sound just seat And relax it makes things easy And effortlessly helps you finding what
You're looking for in term of Sound And even help you éliminating what ever is not needed ..Worth a try..it brings out the best of your p.cords
Réceptacle -HUBBELL -HBL 5363W-(Cabledyne.com)
I wished it exists in "schucko"with the same Sound quality.Thx CHAHED |
Chahed keep us posted here with you findings, thankyou for telling us of the hubbell outlet. |
Btway..does Hubbell manufacturer ""makes" schucko réceptacle " for Europe ...?...i know Many audiophiles would like to have it...Thx..Chahed from Paris |
Chahed, Hi, I really do not know the answer to your question, if you find an answer, let us know here, cheers. |
I just would like to know if Hubbell compagnie makes "schucko" réceptacle like do oyaide or furutech for US And européen country...just for the Music .🎹🎻🎺🎷🎸🎼🎧🎤 |
The Furutech wall outlet frame also makes a huge difference. I would recommend anyone considering getting the GTX to get the wall frame without hesitation. Easily the best bang for buck in my system. |
I have had Porter Ports, and a number of others and there aint nothin like Maestro outlets. The difference is night and day. All kinds of haze and junk are eliminated...instruments are in their own space,... great |
Audiolabyrinth
We have now the furutech FI-50 R and G and GTX R and G
my Equipment : Amp / Line / Phono preamp alls SS, CD plyer EMM / XDS1
Your opinion and your experience where use the Furutech R where the G?
Thankx
mehdi |
It is now almost a month since i replaced my oyaide réceptacle R1 by Hubbell HBL 5362w to feed my Sound application"fantastic réceptacle And Beleive it or not i added And i changed all the (2)réceptacles in my powercell from PS.audio by Hubbell HBL5362W...😉...différence is night an day.
Don't talk To anyone any more regarding oyaide réceptacle R1...i would consider it as a nightmare cpered to Hubbell for its price And now i am gone add an other one for my Elrod gold to
Power my amplifier...thèse réceptacles are not yet fully broken in so the
Best is yet to come...And for its price may god bless Hubbell ..😄😄😄😄
5362W |
Btw let me tell something else my powercell PS audio with the new réceptacle from Hubbell is chalenging my Sound application that. Cost almost 20 Time its price...😉😉😉😉😉😉 |
And not fully broken in.... |
