tweeters /midbass fq zones

and no my tech guy RG here in New Orleans who designs amps past 40 years, somewhat understands what my ideas are, but he's not sure how to respond.

He's never considered these ideas before.

It took me some 40 years to figure out, but so sure glad I did before i  pass away.

Its nice to know things you never understood , discovery is what makes life interesting.

Old dogs can't learn new tricks.

I wouldnt trade my Dual FR for all every super mega priced , Wilson, Dali, Sonus faber, Rockport, not  even if  you offered ALL as a  bunch in exchange for my Dual FR.

Thats 1Million $'s worth of speakers.

NO THANKS.

I know what I got.

You'd have to come here and rob me of these speakers.

1950's operas sound like front row seats, LIVE As if the cast is singing right in my room.

UNREALLL

 

 

DeKay

I prefer ESL. My cheap one cross at 250 Hz.

And back around the FR track we go.   🤣

It's nice to like something and be so enthused. As for my music, I still like the top end and bottom end of it as well, so I suffer with X-overs, like probably 99% of speaker owners do.

My old ML SL3s were at 250 as well if memory serves.

 

I prefer ESL. My cheap one cross at 250 Hz. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ESL might be a option, Have not heard panel/Stats/ESL. But IMHO the geek back in late 20's Berlin/Chicago got it right at the getgo. Point of this topic (one way conversation) is the evident fact if you guys wish to fantasize your midwoofers can sing above 1khz and your mid tweeters below 3khz, make that 3500 at lowest lreasonable limit. I've got land to sell you in Somalia and also land bordering russia and Ukraine. Your choice AS fantastic as the Seas Thors were w Mundorf $$$$$$$$ caps, can't compete w a high end FR. Duals , + Dual tweeters, a single FR aint enough for my Wagner, Mozart, Puccini operas. But w duals + duals, WOW, Front row seat, ((and we are going LIVE* Schwarzkopf, Nilssojn. Its like both sopranos are singing right there in my room. No speaker, nada, Just as if I were at the 1950's concert. Thors are *speakers*, such as you have in your room right now. Took me some 20++ years to figure this out, they dont call me speaker hound dog for nothing.

So you define mid-bass as 20hz-150hz...interesting🤣

So you define mid-bass as 20hz-150hz...interesting🤣 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

all woofers are basically **mid-bass drivers*** and note most every high end tweeer is labeled **mid-tweeter*. 10hz-100hz 100hz-500hz 500hz-1khz 1k-1500hz 1500-2500hz so on and so forth tweeters 50khz(yes AER claims their FR goes to like EIGHTY THOUSAND HZ). But lets keep it realitistic. 20khz so 15khz-20khz 10khz-15khz 5khz-10khz so on and so forth down to say 1800hz(some tweets claim 1800hz some even 1500hz!!!) Here’s the flaw (weakness/distortion/massive rolloff, call it whatever you wish) Woofers should be voiced no more than say 200-400hz. Thats it Tweeters are fantastic little gadgets from 20khz down to say,, tell ya what I’ll give benifit of the doubt to say,,,,3500hz,,sorry can’t be generous to 3khz. The 3khz-3500 hz has some incredible orchestral fq’s which I sure as heck dont want a tiny 3/4 inch VC singing these extremely super critical fq’s, Best I can do for you guys is woofers 20hz - 300hz tweeters 20khz or where yours goes to, I am very happy wityh 15khz, = 15khz-20khz ain’t much there,,so what I do is add a 2nd tweeter for a huge soundstage in the 5khz - 15khz in my orchestra, WOW facor high)..... so 20khz down to 3500hz, I run a 8uf cap, brings both tweets to say 5khz. I had both w a 6uf and was not allowing the tweeter to really open up, a 10uf to say 3500hz is OK in my book. But I perfer dual tweeters w a 8 to 5khz. This allow these guys to not suffer any stresss attempting the 3khz-5khz, = give more energy for the lil guys to do their thing in upper registers w/o getting all flustered and bent out of shape. When you have Puccini soloists, orchestra PLUS CHORUS,, these lil guys can handel their business w success. woofers/tweeters sound like the opera is comming out a box. FR makes a 1950 opera recording sound DDD Super digital, I am at Bayreuth , the mythical soundscape is more surreal. Your xoverbox things sound OK, not bad, but misses all the incredible nuances and registers of a Full Range.

My Thors served me well, but sure glad I made the experiment and that w/o any help from Audiogonners. nada, none, zero. You guys are stuck in the 1970/80’s, STILLLLL

 

Like Wagner’s rebirth themes, FR are being raised from the lost world of a bygone era. Berlin/Chicago late 1920’s.

 

I plan to make a long series of YT videos exposing the weaknesses inherent in xover speakers. Just waiting on cash power to purchase my final tweeter its doozyy a massive super dome tweeter. Made for car system but can be employed ina home system as well. The $1700+ Thor upgrade set me back, maybe late June I’ll recover from the Seas upgrades and add in this super dome tweeter. Nothing like it,. Annhiliates any dome tweeter made. 2nd to none. Might have a 3 T system or maybe the Philips AD163(late 1970’s, incredible tweeter) will have to be retired. The speaker gods are about to do battle.

 

THings I will say in my YT uploads , has not ever been mentioned previously. FR are completely totally opposite of xover/box speakers. Night and day.

 

Not even close.

I guess no one is interestedina  little EDU.

Goes w the times we live in........2022 and getting worse by the year,  meltdown mind set

"EDU"???

 

What does the "U" stand for?

 

DeKay

Anyone who wants to know what you’re babbling about need only watch one of your videos to get a glimpse of what you call “good sound”. I just have to shake my head….

theres an old saying,,,,you can lead a horse to the watering trough but you cant make him drink..........

speakers speakers speakes,, I REALLY wish you guys would stop using this extemely vague and completely worthless term here in ~~~~2022~~~ 

Correctly use

Horn

Stats/ESL xover box speakers aka WTX.

(woofer/tweeter/xover) , lets see

of year,

FULL RANGE which really truly are FULL RANGE.

I sick and tired of speakerpeakerspeakers,, blah blah blahhhh.

Its so dated.

Your speakersare WTX. 

= trashy distorted 1500hz-3500hz = trash, garbage. 

The very heart  and soul of the music is rendered via 2 drivers which croak like toads in this 1500-3500 hz range.

 

WTX 

Woofer

Tweeter

Xover

Speaker could refer to even Bose or a  B$W.

Horn

Stat/ESL

FR

WTX

All WTX;'s have the same issues. 

Horns have their issues, 

Stats/ESL's have their liabliities 

and I guess FR might have a downside,, Just have not found it yet.To my ears the FR is  the most perfect speaker even invented.

Chicago/Berlin techs had it right at the getgo.

Along comes Seas, Scanspeak, SB Acoustics  w their flawed ideas.

Its all about the money factor. 

ConsumerISM, ComercialISM. 

Single FR speaker planted ina  piece of ply wood, and you're done.

Something anyone can afford and have super high fidelity.