True or False?


The following is a common sentiment from some who claim to be audiophiles.

If you hear something but can’t measure it, you only think you heard a difference.

 

This notion is also common among people who claim to possess an accomplished understanding of audio, especially when achieving a high level of performance for a minimal investment.

So who’s right? On the one hand we have Objectivists who claim if you can’t measure it, you can’t possibly hear it or if you do, its expectation bias and self delusion. Are these people correct? Do they get as good as a sound, or better for far less money by ignoring cables, power cords, mechanical isolation, basically any accessory that many have found to dramatically improve performance despite a lack measurements? Do those who dismiss expensive digital to analog converters as being no better than rather common digital components with decent measurements get just as high a performance level as those of us with MSB and DCS? Do people who claim it’s all about finding perfect speaker placement, do these people outperform those of us with systems that cost multiples more than what they pay (Who also pay close attention to speaker placement as well as everything else)? Or do those of us who pay attention to cables— digital, analog, and power, what we set our components on top of, how we place our speakers, acoustics, and tweaks, expensive DACs and the like, do we get better sound? Who’s right? And how do we ultimately determine sound quality?

 

 

 

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Showing 6 responses by asvjerry

🤨....It's always made sense to me to pay some attention to the 'measured specs' of anything, to have a 'baseline' from which to start....although I personally 'started' quite awhile back.  Therefore, I accept and expect a given amount of predispositions and just plain preferences to 'color' my choices.....

The 'choices' over what and how to engage to and with any and all previous selections begins to creep into the realm of the infinite, even before one's 'performance space' is left to accommodate...

It all comes down to a subjective experience that's all your own.
What looks great in theory can still sound like trash...expensive trash, but there you go....🤷‍♂️
What is 'meh' on paper could outdo the previous in a walk.
We can call it 'lucky'....even if only for the owner.

Ultimately, the rest of our 'imho' shouldn't matter....when the descriptions fall into "sounds more solid', 'warmth', 'shrill', 'flat, without depth'....

Well, that shouldn't be much different than the 'positive remarks' over how X made Y+ (all the other upstream/downstream of the new X) seem 'better'.

What floats your boat?  Good, go there.  Tell us/me what you like/don't, and what you perceive is happening.....

(That, in itself, seems to be the fuse enough for some...and endless multipage forums that start to read like an afternoon soaper...if that still exists...)

 

Simple or sublime.. the end result is subjective.

SET/SS...D or A....or both....open baffled, tiny monkey box....cones, screens, amt's, domes, 'phones....OFC or exotics, opticals  CAT4 or B/T....LMNOP....

Too Many Variables....so we're left with 'descriptions'....

...'twas ever thus...

@cat_doorman , +1. *L* I know I don't know enough about what I don't even know I don't know about..🤦‍♂️😏..

@noske ...well, I suppose...  I've never been exposed to a 'conservative arts' exam, but will concede that such may exist....

Come to think of it....I've never had to take the version you mentioned, either....

*Zounds!*  Sounds like a conspiracy of some weight....however light....;)

I'm going to go to bed and do some dream spec charts and some involved measurements of whatever comes to mind....

'ciao, J

@noske *G*  I didn't 'see' it as a 'political' stance or statement, fortunately...;)

The 'liberal arts' seem to connotate pot-smokers that wine and discuss art issues and whether or not there's a connection to the disruption of basic human response to blah blah ad nauseum.....whereas conservativism is an abalone that can't be pried off the rock of the industrial/defense establishment with anything short of a crowbar.....which is what one needs to do so in reality, but one still has to surprise the little mollusk to do so.....and that sort of thing....🤨🤪

Meanwhile, I'm on the highway wondering if the guy on his cell in the Beemer is really aware I'm next to him @ 73 in a 55....;)

I don't, and won't, hold against Anyone that dropped more on his/her cart on the tonearm then what I've spent on my entire 'system', although the qualities and  response of same we can 'discuss' into the next decade....and still not come to an agreement as to it's relevance vs. SOTA...

I'm DIY'ing Walsh speakers....I don't expect Perfection beyond my own hopes and expectations....  The fact that they 'play' at all is a hit; that they respond reasonably well per the analysis means I've got to apply is better yet...*s*

...to my ears, and the grey gook between them.

For the time being, that's a cheap form of nirvana, and not just the group. *G*

For this mortal, that's 'what it's about'....Please Yourself First, defend if you must.
Most may not ever even consider the choices and effort you've applied in the pursuit of your goals in audiophilia...which is typical.  We all tend to wear our own version of blinders that focus upon our own passions... 

Things 'audio, and the pursuits of' are so highly personal that the discussion of such is fraught with preference to one's own reference that unless one can experience the other's situation IRL...
I'm flat out amazed on occasion that we attempt to do so, and remain relatively civil about it....;)

@jonwolfpell ...or one is trying to measure that which is not able to be quantifiable....?  Exotic cables measured by means N/A to the average person but to the not so average 'phile, speaker cable 'lifts' I can 'spoof' with 2x4 'drops'...which I may or not be able to discern under my circumstances either...

The esoterica gets a bit much to comprehend....where does the rabbit hole end, if at all....