The sucking down of the slider problem, was there even with an empty 5L tank. I tried two empty 5L plastic petrol cans and it did it. A couple of years back, I remember someone on Audiokarma had a similar issue, don't think it was ever resolved. It doesn't seem to do it when tracking a record, as I would here distortion and skipping. It's only when I cue at the start, or return at the end of an album.
I had to turn the pump up a tiny amount when adding the beads. The beads offer less resistance than an aquarium air stone for instance, more and larger spacing. I use two 4mm tubes from pump to filter chamber, one 6mm tube from there to main chamber and one 4mm tube from main chamber to Terminator. So stepping down as it goes through to form back pressure in the chambers. The idea is to give the pump something to push against and encourage the air to go down many paths in the beads, rather than the shortest path or line of least resistance.
That was my theory and from a pulsing point of view it seems to work very well.
Trans-Fi Terminator Tonearm: 2019 Update
I purchased the arm directly from Andrey in Moscow two months ago. From what I understand, Andrey has taken over production after Vic's retirement. What I received is the most up-to-date version of the arm with the carbon fibre wand and brass counterweights, the direct wire leads from cartridge to phono amp, and a new brass manifold ( not evident from the main web-site). Both the wand and the new manifold are Andrey's contribution to the continued refinement of the Terminator.
Also, please visit this site: https://darklanternforowen.wordpress.com/2017/04/15/terminator-tonearm-new-arm-mount/. This gentlemen from NZ has developed a new arm mount for the Terminator which advanced the arm's sonics even further. It was reading through the the development of this new arm mount that convinced me to order the Terminator after much prior research. I did not purchase the arm mount from NZ as it would not readily fit my Verdier La Platine, instead Andrey made a custom arm mount. It is in essence a two point support mount rather than a single point support rod that is commonly used.
My previous arm was a SME V of 1990's vintage mounted with a ZYX airy. The Terminator is several notch above the SME V. All the accolades given to the Terminator seem justified. My main point in writing is that the new developments by Andrey, i.e. the carbon fibre wand and the newest brass manifold, seem to improve upon the Terminator even more ( see link above ). This is the news that I wanted to share with existing Terminator owners. I asked Andrey to start a blog on all the new stuff that is happening with the arm, but it seems that he is busy making 'things'!
@qwin i had used filter materials in the smoothing tanks before, a combination of cotton ball and crippled paper strips. And the pressure from the pump had to be increased by quite a bit to allow the arm to float. Was there a need to change the pressure level by changing filter materials? This shouldn’t be the cause of the suction problem, but I was just curious. Btw, I had to change my username due to verification a problem with my last username. |
@dover I cleaned the manifold and checked each hole was clear, fairly early on. As mentioned above, in my 3L pre tank, I have changed the filter material to half filled with 11mm ceramic beads, with 6mm BB gun plastic pellets on top. This seems to reduce pulsing a lot. |
@qwin Here are a few tips for your air supply - For surge tank Bruce ( ET ) recommends loose cotton stuffing - I would use upholstery wadding. The surge tank should be closer to the pump and far away from the arm. A long line of air hose ( 10ft or 3m ) to the arm will further smooth the air flow. I also found that with small air pumps using an isolation transformer ( large ) made a significant improvement in sound quality.
I feel sorry for your cartridge suspension. It's probably not going to last very long. Perhaps you should try cleaning out the capilliaries. You should also regularly clean the bearing surfaces with alcohol to make sure they are clean.
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@qwin Have you found the source of your problem? It’s a very weird condition. I have never had a suction problem as you described. |
Interesting about the LT arm, I will try and find details of that. I have an intermittent problem with my arm. |
@qwin I am happy that there is improvement in SQ. The pump I used before, Eheim 400, is similar to yours in power output, I believe. I recall going up to maybe 60L so there should be plenty of reserve in the pump to experiment. on a different note, I visited a local audio store over the weekend operated by a hardcore two channel vinyl proprietor. He carries interesting brands mostly from Eastern Europe, J. Sikora, Reed, Holbo…etc. He showed me a Polish TT with an integrated LT arm by Pre Audio. The arm had an even shorter wand than the Terminator and an integrated pump located underneath the arm. In terms of design, it solved many of the problems we are dealing with the Terminator, dressing the phono leads, getting the arm out of the way to remove records,….etc and not very expensive. I was excited to see another humble LT arm. Didn’t get to hear it play though. |
Yes, there is a good improvement in sound quality over the stock set up. |
@qwin Thanks for the update. The polystyrene balls will help in smoothing out the pulses. Another trick is extra long connecting tube, 10m or more. It can be 'coilied' and that helps too. Do you hear better sound quality? I certainly hope so!
I add a photo of my filtration regiment housed in a unused bathroom next to the listening room and doubles as a record cleaning area. In addition to the original 5L can ( in the fore ground ) which I kept for nostogic reason, the rest are 20L plastic tanks and two 20L stainless steel cans in the back (not shown). There is a total of 150L of filtration connected to a Hilbo 40 knockoff pump. It is not as pretty as I would like it at the moment as tanks are added incrementally. But the idea is to replace all the plastic tanks with SS ones.
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I updated my air smoothing tank and its picture but this didn't post well and is not editable so Further explanation is required and a new picture. |
@qwin i too have a transimpedance / current mode phono, Channel D and an extra XLR cable. I do have to be careful when handling it. Prior to threading the wire through the pivot point, I pass the wire through the next hole closer to the counter weight. I was able to dress the wire so that it clears the hole as it travels through the manifold. In other words, the wire and arm wand do not interact. I quest I have been forced to work with existing wire though your solution works well. |
"You use a junction box to terminate the phono wires from the Terminator. Why don’t you run it direct to the phono stage?" I used to use one piece cartridge to phono stage leads, but to get them flexible enough for the Terminator travel, meant very thin wire. I was using heavy XLR connectors at the time into a balanced phono stage that was a current rather than voltage amplifier (AQVOX 2Ci). I used to transport the deck to shows and have to set it up after every relocation. After snapping a couple of sets of leads I gave up on that idea. Even the weight of the metal XLR’s was enough to snap the leads. |
@qwin Wow! The resuscitated and reinvigorated Terminator has really got your juices flowing… really nice work on the silver cables. You use a junction box to terminate the phono wires from the Terminator. Why don’t you run it direct to the phono stage? Phono cables from Andrey came as a direct run, and then I use a pair of Duelund silver foil cables between a tube phono and a SUT. if your lengthy erudition is considered a minor rant, I’d hate to be in the head wind of one of your major rants…ha! Kidding aside, I appreciate your thoughts. I think I am in agreement with your attitude toward our hobby, and it’s a hobby. I do rely on reviews for the most part as I hate to interact with dealers in my part of the world, mostly arrogant know-it-all. There is a very vibrant DIY community and a lot of shops that does OEM work ‘for ‘unnamed’ European or US brands. @bdp24 you are the guru who turned me onto the the LFT-8b which was upgraded to the 8C’s. I have not written to Bruce in a while, but the ET arms are no longer in production, correct? I think I will be able to fit both the Terminator and the ET on my Verdier. Putting records in and out of the platter will be a challenge, but…. |
@ledoux1238: So we are fellow owners of both the ET-LFT loudspeakers (a hi-fi best buy) and the Terminator! If you get yourself an ET arm, know that Brooks Berdan (the dealer at which I heard the LFT-8 and subsequently bought them) preferred the VPI HW-19 (and later the TNT) for that arm, a combo he sold lots of (I believe Brooks was Bruce Thigpen’s number one dealer). The ET arm has enough moving mass to cause low mass/lightly-sprung turntables to shift their center of gravity as the arm traverses the LP. Not good. I have my Terminator mounted on a VPI Aries (with a TNT-5 platter and bearing).
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Yes, my other/previous pivoting arms, have all been low to medium mass, hence my cartridge choices were to fit any of my arms. At present I only have the Terminator and an original Mission 774 low mass arm. Having said that, using the 774's damping trough and paddle, with fairly viscous oil (50,000 cST) allows low compliance cartridges to work well. |
@qwin I am with you on the merits of the Terminator. @dover is an old hand. He has given me advice on the Terminator before and advice / grief on my Verdier TT. He He! I am however, intrigued with the ET 2 tonearm I ask about your cartrige choices as I seem to have restricted myself to high compliance and low mass ( 7-9g ) cartridges both MC and MM. I have a AT33 mono and it works on the Terminator. And your cartridge choices seem to be the same.
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Well I own a Terminator and don't think its garbage, love it and nothing anywhere near its price point comes close. Best £800 I ever spent on HiFi. |
Nothings changed. I've always considered the Trans-fi flawed, but I have made suggestions in this thread to help people who have one nonetheless. The ET will be a learning experience, but I have no doubt you will understand its advantages once you have it running. I purchased an additional one this year - the later ET2.5 - for my end game arm for my main TT. I have a few pivoted arms, most of which I will sell off. I'm keeping my old ET2 as I have many custom parts that I have made over the years. I would suggest you download the manual off the Eminent Technology site and have a read, even before you buy, it will give you a good understanding of how it works and how clever the design is. It will run with both high and low compliance cartridges. Set up is very configurable. https://www.eminent-tech.com/Manuals/et2manual.pdf
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In a 12-10-2020 post on the Terminator, you wrote: "With a caveat that I have never seen this arm in the flesh...... " What changed? You were the one who informed me of Owen's passing, so I assumed you knew him. .And with your 'garbage' prompt, I am finally motivated to seek out an ET arm. I am a happy owner of Bruce's LFT-8C, BTW. |
You must have very low standards. The Trans-fi is not a patch on the Eminent Technology air bearing arm which was designed many years prior. The fundamental difference being that the ET uses a captured air bearing - far more rigid than the floating bearing design of the Trans fi. The flawed floating bearing design used for the Trans-fi is why you have spent years fiddling with materials, weight, screws, wire dressing trying to get that arm to work let alone sound any good. I knew Owen for years, I've heard the arm, it's garbage. |
Vic used to buy the Silver screened wire from HiFi Collective (HFC) here in the UK. They still have it on their website, marked as discontinued! I came across it recently when I was researching what wire I could use. |
Thanks for the comments on dressing my wires. I see your point, and I’m doing some modifications. The infamous silver wires the Vic initially supplied was discussed in earlier posts, unobtainium though. The Hygger pump looks really nice, like an Apple TV box. The next pimp I used after the original was an Enhiem 400, 400 LPH, very similar to the Hygger. You should be good if you decide to add another 10-20 L tank to improve things further. |
Well I replaced my pump with something quieter. Fed the twin outlets, individually into a 5L tank with 4L of Polystyrene balls in it (4 to 6mm diameter).
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The best sounding wire I ever had, was the original pure Silver wire that Vic used to supply with the Terminator. Unfortunately his supply dried up and its no longer available, I've searched myself. This was, in my opinion, a little to stiff/heavy, but when you got the dressing right, sounded phenomenal. |
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@qwin i tried over the weekend to work on repeatable measurements for VTF, Ito no avail. I usually measure with air on. This was discussed in an earlier post. But even with air off, I am +-0.02g. And the readings with air on and off are different. I looked carefully at the way you dress the wires, I do it quite close. My gauge is one that has a plate right on the platter, but made in China, I assume due to its price. This aspect of the arm’s operation still eludes me. |
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@qwin On the newer version of the Terminator that I have, all pins are made of nylon, including the pins for leveling the arm. It would be too difficult for me to take up your tip on leveling the arm using the turntable footers for final adjustments. I will stick with the old fashion way. Your critique of the Terminator is appreciated. While we’re at it, add non-repeatable VTF adjustments as an additional criticism. I don’t know how you do it, but I fine tune VTF at the start of each listening session. ‘I was not familiar with the Vdh MC 1 Special so I read up on it. A reviewer described it as having similar sound signature as a Lyra Clavis dc. And your description of the MC 1 + Terminator combo sounding like music mirrors my vinyl experience. Especially these past two years, I was able to sourced two TOTL cartridges, a Transfiguration Proteus rebuilt by Anna Mighty Sound and A ZYX Ultimate Astro serviced by VAS audio. I no longer use my critical faculties to judge what I hear. I don’t break it down into distinct low, mid, and high frequencies, weighting their individual qualities, and analyzing how they interact. There is just this continuum and coherence that is felt as music, no artifice. These are cartridges retailing in the $6k-13k range playing on a +$1k arm, entry level phono stage, with terrific results. Who would have known? It’s a pity so few will hear this arm. I am in a prolonged process of acquiring a second, higher tier, pivot arm. And I believe I will be in a better position to taut the abilities of the Trans-Fi arm when compared the additional pivot arm. In any case, it was a SME V that preceded the Terminator and the upper hand belongs to the underdog. i have a question for you: in working with the pivot pins, both you and Owen mentioned chatter induced distortion. I thought I knew what that meant. But I cannot be sure. What does a chatter induced distortion sound like, which frequency range does it occur? |
Actually I suggested Nylon Pins to Vic, not saying Owen didn’t have the same thought though. I was discussing the Chatter based distortion with Vic, with the then steel pins running direct on the Aluminium "V" of the Strap. I mentioned I was going to remove material from the Strap and line it with Silicon or Nylon. Vic thought this would add to much extra complexity/cost to his production. So I casually mentioned an alternative could be Nylon pins, as they are available off the shelf and just need a point adding. I never actually liked the idea myself but Vic ran with it and it did cure the chatter. I always felt the pivot bearing needs a firm almost sharp point to work best. The Nylon is a bit to soft in my opinion. Sound: |
It is really nice to see all the effort put into pressing the Terminator back into service again, pairing with such a lovely bespoke turntable. The several tweaks that you have arrived at are really worth looking into. The mounting plate I am most interested in. Your thinking on using steel pins on nylon ‘v’ instead of the nylon pins resting on bare metal is also worth trying, if only to stop it from moving about. In the OP above, I had mentioned the fellow audiophile, Owen Young, who inspired my purchasing the Terminator through his blog, https://darklanternforowen.wordpress.com/2017/04/15/terminator-tonearm-new-arm-mount/. There are a lot of similarities between his investigations and all your efforts in optimizing the arm. The nylon pins was his suggestion to Vic, Ithink. There is another interesting, for me, similarity. When I was reading his blog, I had the distinction sense that this person must be a structural engineer or an architect. And sure enough Owen was an architect ( he passed a few years ago ). I had the same feeling in going through your blog as someone in the design profession. And I think you mentioned that you are a product designer. I too am an architect by profession. There must be a ‘less is more’ aesthetic to this arm that attracts designers, no? Or at least maybe a slide rule aesthetic ( giving away my age). I am hoping with all the tweaks, it will be more stable in use and you will enjoy the superior sonics for a longer duration. Please report on its SQ when appropriate. |
I got the modified Terminator Arm finished and mounted to my DIY DD Turntable.
I mounted the cartridge as far forward as possible, to reduce the effect of different record thickness on VTA.
The external power supply I made still works fine after more than a decade, it’s the only clue that the deck has a Technics SL-1200 DD motor and control circuit in it. |
Yes, you're correct, I fell out with the Terminator, due to difficulty in setting it up and then maintaining this correct set up. I was never happy with the silk covered Litz wire or the recommended way of dressing it. Also I took my gear to HiFi meetings at least a couple of times a year, and a set up, every time I moved the deck didn't suit. A pivot arm just worked out better for me, the wife was scared stiff of touching the Terminator. Having said all that, when it was on song it bettered anything else I had owned. |
In my case, 60L tank vol was the limit of the original pump. From there on It was a case of searching for the right pump. I am using a Hiblow 40 currently. The nice thing about the Terminator is it works in low pressure, so less stress on connections and no problems with condensation. I also tried filling tank cotton balls. This would moderate air flow, but it will also increase pressure. You’ll know when to back off on the balls. How is the Terminator performing on your bespoke SL -1200? How does it compare to the other pivot arms you have? Correct me if I’m wrong, but it seems that you are reacquainting yourself with the Terminator after a long layoff. And you are in the process of further optimizing it. I wondered if you have reached out to Vic about his crazy trampoline wand? Or if you have contacted Anfrey about the carbon fiber wand? |
I noticed the Mounting plate twisted when I was levelling the manifold/Slider. I would get it just right, hovering in the middle and when I tightened the Pivot Bolt the plate twisted and the slider moved at speed to the right. So almost impossible to set accurately. Every time I adjusted VTA it would throw it out. |
@qwin Thanks a million for the drawing! As you indicted, the mounting slots are for your TT. I will use the existing mounting slots for my arm. There have been a few occasions when I accidentally bumped into the far end of the cantilevered slider. And there would be a slight twisting at the mountinf plate, not enough to cause a cartridge mis-alignment. But I did wonder about the structural integirty of the plate. You solution solved it. Brilliant!
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I knocked out a dimensioned drg for my Mounting Plate, in Coral Draw. Its linked on my website and also below. Feel free to use this in a non commercial way, if you so wish. DRG |
Sorry I can’t help folks out with these, but some details of the Bracket and other tweaks can be found Here: And my purpose made Turntable for the Arm Here: I don't have CAD files for the part, but I will see if I can knock out a dimensioned drg. |
@qwin HA! HA! It was quite presumptuous of me to think that you would. My apologies! What would be helpful is if you would share the CAD file or a PDF file of the mounting plate. If not, your photos are quite clear, I’ll be able to figure it out. I have been working on dressing the phono wires as you have this year. My scheme is quite primitive in comparison to yours, but I use medical tape. It’s very thin and about 4cm wide. I tape it on the slider, make a slit at the center, and pull the wires underneath the tape. It works fine. I think when you start to work on the air filtration tanks, you will find a further improvement on SQ. I am up to 150L of air filtration with a combination of various 20L plastic and stainless steel tanks. But I am in the process of simplifying the tanks by getting a 120L single stainless steel tank with a couple of 20L ones to supplement, less contact point for leakage. Please update your experience when appropriate. |
@qwin I visited your web blog and browse through your art work...very nice. Regarding all your tweaks and modification on the Terminator tone arm, they, too, look impressive. Most of your modifications have been adpoted by Andrey when I bought my tonearm from him. What is most interesting is your mounting plate. I'd like to PM you and see if I can buy one from you, if you are willing to make extra.
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Hi This works very well and by pressing down with finger pressure, the steel pins leave impressions in the Nylon, which stops the wand moving around in the "V" or sliding out when I return the slider to its resting position a bit to enthusiastically.
This mounting is much stronger. |
@pindac Thanks for the reply. I had an accessary sent from Russia to me in 2022 and it took two months through its postal service. With the War on, I did not expect a reply from Andrey. Anyone has an unused carbon fiber wand for sale ? |
Is there not a shut down in the operations of dealing with the postal system within Russia at present, where post is not being sent in, when received by Western Countries Postal Services and not being sent on ti Western Addresses when received by a Western Country Postal Service. Sanctions I believe are in work. My own plan to receive a service from a Russian National have been on hold for over a year. |