Or if there have been 70,000 boutique fuses sold (which data would be very hard to get hold of since there are so many different vendors of so many different fuses), we have no way to know whether a given buyer was happy with his purchase or heard no difference or felt ripped off. What I think is that the end caps can make a big difference in terms of the goodness of the contact they make with the fuseholder and maybe what metal they are made of. Then too, the fuseholder has to be jsut as important as the fuse. Geoff, I ask again, HOW can directionality make a difference? Give me a physical explanation. I suspect that the idea of directionality is really the result of the fact that when you take out a fuse and flip it around, there is at least a 50-50 chance that when you re-insert the fuse, the contacts have been cleaned by the friction of R&R'ing. Perhaps that can make a tiny audible difference.
I hedge my bets by using Acme silver-plated, cryo-treated fuses in Acme silver-plated fuseholders, both of which products are "reasonable" in cost. And I never worry about directionality. I don't even worry about whether it makes a difference. It's kind of like praying, if I believed in a deity.
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You do not know where the 70,000 number comes from. But I do. That’s the advantage of knowing vs not knowing, of being an audio insider. It’s a mostly a question of knowing how to do it. Maybe you should start a new party. You could call it the know nothing party. Party on, dudes. 🎈 🎉 But I digress.
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Dear @geoffkait : """ mass hypnosis? """
Certainly not, is more like a " stampede " ( literally. ) . Here in Agon exist a second example of audiophile stampede and that was with the Victor TT101 where a gentleman pushed it as something very special TT and something near as: the best out there when in reality it’s not and even its specs are not at the top as the true top DD TTs but more on the average .
Even that and with out any real facts people gone to hunting that vintage TT that normally needs to fix it because came with " problems ". This true example was a true " stampede " only even by the fuses one.
I can tell you that I already tested in my systems not only the Hi-Fi but the top SR fuses too and I know is a stampede and in a stampede every one inside it is really happy " running " with out know why are running.
" Hey why are we running ? ask one member to other in that stampede and received as an answer: don’t ask and keep running ! ! !
Certainly you are one of those stapede’s members. Good for you.
Btw, do you already changed the direction of those headshell wires in one of your cartridges? what did you found out? because a headshell wire is a: " wire ".
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Changing the direction of a single head shell wire might demonstrate that wires are directional but it might not. The problem for headshell wires is that you don’t know whether a given wire is in the right or wrong direction. The odds are 50% that any given wire is in the correct direction just by accident. But you can’t know which ones are correct and which are not without a lot of work. It’s like trying to solve simultaneous equations with a bunch of unknowns. Changing one wire probably won’t correct the problem, the probability is it won’t, and it might actually make the problem worse.
But if the tonearm wire manufacturer had been more forward thinking he would have controlled the wires for directionality. Unfortunately, the industry is far behind the times. Fortunately, some companies like Audioquest recognize that controlling cables, wires and even HDMI cables and power cords for directionality is the only way to fly. It’s called progress.
Have you been following the wrong....you know...
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There are no 70 000 buyers of said fuses. There is a lots of imagination involved in that claim, but there is no knowledge right there. If there were, it would be available. 70 000 serves as a number to prolong the fetish of Internet arguing. Unfortunately, 70 000 is too low of a number. There should be 700 000 000. |
Speaking of boutique fuses, I would like to remind everybody that the title of this thread is.....
Technics Sp10 Mk2 vs SL-1200G - I finally did an A/B
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Just curious...how come Pseudo Skeptics, newbies and naysayers generally refer to aftermarket fuses as boutique fuses? It’s not only a little dismissive but also a little, I don’t know, girlie. Can I say that?
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I picked up "boutique fuses" from an earlier post. I thought it was as absurd as it gets. Some people are in touch with their feminine side, even if they are not female. They often use emoticons with cute little cows or other creatures from the nature. |
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I am confused are people posting in the correct thread? |
Dear @geoffkait : I'm talking if you can hear adifference and that's all. Did you try it? just do it say: for fun. Maybe we can learn something really important from there.
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I haven’t had a cartridge or a turntable in almost 20 years. And these days I don’t even use interconnects, power cords, digital cables, speaker cables or fuses.
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Yes, we get that you aren’t really an audiophile, that you have no real interest in improving your sound, and cannot really develop a sense of how to actually debate any of the audiophile issues that appear on these forums, other than to pose as some sort of phoney baloney home spun Philosopher and facilitator. You aspire to be a Thorn in the side of audiophiles. Aka... Thanks for inspiration geoffkait. |
Stalker alert! 🚨 You can always recognize a determined troll by his stalking behavior and his pattern of always responding to every single bait cast out into the water, chomping down on the hook with gusto.
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fast mick, a very good question.
Particularly with posts by someone who just admitted to not having a turntable for nearly 20 years, yet persists in responding here on a turntable thread. But that may explain why they are so far off subject. ;^)
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You can always recognize a determined troll by his stalking behavior and his pattern of always responding to every single bait cast out into the water, chomping down on the hook with gusto. Thanks for inspiration geoffkait. Over the last couple of months on Audiogon, I have not learned much about actual music reproduction. However, I did learn that geoffkait’s posts are a well of inspiration for answers to his own posts. My previous post (July 11, 2018 9:11 pm) was, in fact, a copy of geoffkait’s post aimed at me not so long ago. I cut it short so not to mention one of his favorite words. Otherwise, I think that geoffkait should start answering to his own posts. He really writes a good description of himself and picks on things he is weak at. |
Is this the same thread I started ?
I have something very interesting to share.
Has anyone heard the Audiospecials Phonolab 1.0 phonostage ? |
Hi Pani.
No, but I have heard good reports about it. Do you have one? please tell |
I just thought I would add a comment about the 1200G. I have had the table for about four months and when I went to listen today it was like a completely different table. I listen a lot so this kind of suprising. Bigger stage, Lower mids, and a lot more bass and I did nothing. I did not touch any settings. Sound is even more relaxed. It sounds absolutely incredible. So... when you think you have the table run in, maybe not. I cannot believe this. Just incredible. This table can have surprises, good ones at that. |
@tzh21y thats very good news. I hope to listen to this TT again some time. It is a TT that if you like, you won't change for a long long time.
@downunder , yes I have the Audiospecials Phonolab 1.0 at my home for trial. I have been hunting for that perfect phono for a long time now.
First it was RCM Sensor Prelude - Good but not super.
Then it was the Naim Superline with Supercap - Very dynamic and holographic sounding, but in the end it did not have the right flow of music (quite contrary to typical Naim products.
Then I bought a Audio Note M6 phono. It is a MM only model with a SUT required. It is expensive and it sounds expensive too. Tone color, dynamics and all the tube goodies in huge dose with very good resolution too. What it lacked was speed. It doesnt swing and boogie with that realistic pace. Rather it gives music its own flavor of bloom, color and body with a laidback, full sound. To me I was listening to a "voiced" product.
After all this I kept things simple and bought an old Yamaha C70 preamp with in-built phono which did not have any special tricks to highlight itself. Its all discrete FET based phonostage played music in a straightforward manner and it was okay for me till I found a truly honest phonostage with all the dynamics and slam of the big boys.
The Audiospecials Phonolab 1.0 is here for a trial at the moment. They offer a 7 days trial period. What I am hearing is very very good. Colorless, big dynamic range, very quiet, high resolution and above all fast and precise like a true studio gear. You immediately know that you are hearing whats on the record with all its glory without voicing. Flow of music is very accurate so you sing along as the music plays. Lots gain and impedance adjustments so thats not a limitation either. That tube vs SS thing doesnt come into picture because music is sounding just right. I think it could be a solid keeper. I am happy with this discovery. At last someone hears music right and made an appropriate device.
Now for my TT hunt, still on. That will be closing chapter (almost!). |
pani, great thread and community contribution.
Next, we need to hear more head-to-head comparisons of the Technics Sp10R with stock, well sorted out Sp10Mk2's and Sp10Mk3's. Results should be interesting. |
I have not done it myself but I know couple of guys who have had the sp10r besides a sp10 Mk2/mk3. Their opinion was that the older sp10 models present music with more drive and momentum whereas the the new 10r is more about sophistication and resolution. A more modern and laidback take on music that is.
So if you value more subtlety (belt drive style) and resolution then the 10r could appeal you more. For high energy, high drive, impactful listen the older sp10s does it better. |
pani, thanks for sharing, your acquaintances comparative Sp10mk2/mk3 and Sp10r listening notes mentioned above are helpful, although from my perspective, I would require a private demo using familiar equipment to assess with confidence. Currently, my analog front ends consist of idler, belt and direct drive types and each have distinguishing strengths and variegated charm. To be quite honest, the laid back, slightly more resolving description of the Sp10r is not surprising but a bit disappointing nevertheless. Beginning with a fresh slate, why did such a established manufacturer not make a better effort to achieve drive and sophistication? In a modern context, in order to garner serious resolution capability from the Sp10Mk3, extensive modifications are mandatory. Awhile back, I went from a stock Mk3 to a highly modified direct coupled version and the difference was night and day, now dynamics and resolution are cast with great aplomb by comparison.
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Thanks for input
BUT
You done an A/D comparison instead of A/B comparision.
A-B = everything the same except T/T. same day, side by side & next to each other.
A-C = as above except NOT same days
A-D = Same system but diff cartridge.... diff arms ... diff days etc.....
the ears can be very deceptive
e.g Yanny vs Laurel case
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Or may be A-E considering how many hours sleep I had on the days of comparison |
