@ Gslone, I would like to know the answer to that question myself, I do not believe there is a best resale value of cables, I do know that there is some that re-sale for less than others, most of your top name brands and models sale around the same here on audiogon, I would like to know what componet has the best re-sale value, I believe these subjects would be subjective, and controversal, cheers
To Jebsmith73, or anyone who would know.. What audio cable company has a very good resale value or the best resale value, and why? Just curious.. I honestly have no time to research.. would rather listen to music in the sweet spot :)
Hi Jebsmith73, I have my own blue book for audio, most cables re-sale value drops by atleast 40% from retail on the used market, I know of a brand of cables right now that drops 60% to 70% from retail that is NOT Tara Labs cables, no, I do not believe Tara labs has the best resale value at all, defiantly not the worst either, about in the middle accordinally to my saved archive of cables I have created, I have kept up with alot of the high-end resale market over the years to give me a bassis for an offer when I would like to buy anything, cheers.
Misternice, I understand, there will be some tara Omega Gold on the used market when you are ready, I was asking if you read and liked what I posted about the comment's of owner's of some of the new cables by tara labs cables, Is your Rhodium GTX-D out-lets getting better sound as time gos on?, you know, likly, I will be moving up to the Zero and Omega Evolution cables myself, this will take some time to pay for, you get what you pay for, I know the cables I have now are worth every penny I paid for them, no other cable brand or model that I have tried has bettered what I have now, so to be able to move up the cable food chain of Tara labs will be likly my last for any cables by any one, here over the last year, I have rented a few cables from the cable company to hear what all the fuss was about with a few brands out there, I was disapointed, you cannot believe all the hype, I believe that can be said about alot of high-end these days, however, every time I have moved to a better tara labs cable, It has lived past all my expectations with mouth dropping amazement!, thankyou Bob, reply back when you can, cheers.
Hi,I cant talk for anyone else,cause we are all different, and have different goals at different times.I could get the omega gold sc right now,if I wanted it. I have other things on which have doubled my money,and make life a lot better and easier.Xmas is nearly on us,the stereo is only one of my interests.The new leonard cohen album is not a bad listen.Ill put the new u2 album on next.Happy listenining
Misternice, Hi, have you enjoyed all that you have read so far, I have input alot of work here, the biggest mistake alot of audiophiles make is they believe they cannot afford Tara labs cables, when in fact, Tara labs makes cables at many different price points, no other cable company makes cables to match the system an individual has in their homes, I will get to that latter with an explanation, I look forward to you impressions, cheers.
Hi everyone, I wanted to acknowledge this Audiogon member, he owns some of the very first Tara Labs cables ever produced, the cables still work correctly after all these years with no defects of the cables coming apart, Tara Labs has a life time warranty on their cables, as you can see, the warranty likly never gets used, congrats to Tonykay for being such a committed Tara labs cables owner!,this is his post from the beginning of the year, cheers,,,,03-26-14: Tonykay I have used Tara Labs cables almost exclusively for many years. I once read that the surest way to "audio hell" was to use different brands of cable, so I have tried to remember that when I'm tempted to experiment with other brands. You may consider this a testimonial. I use Quantum Reference XLR and Pandora S RCA interconnects, Space and Time w/TFA Return and RSC Prime BiWire speaker cables. I can't comment on how they sound relative to other cables because I haven't tried many. I like companies that do what they do well. My system consists of McIntosh, Sony, Sonus Faber, Stax and Nakamichi.
Hi everyone,this is more buzz from forum sites about the excitement of Tara labs new cables, of course, I welcome all discussions of the topics of the new Tara labs offerings, and their current offerings, and discontinued cables as well that are still top cables in the industry, This particular post was when Tara Labs had not yet officially started selling their new cables, that was less than 6-months ago, thankyou, Enjoy,, Additional Comments from Whatsbest forum
About two weeks ago I received the new Taralabs Grandmaster Evolution (6 ft) loudspeaker cable and Taralabs Grandmaster Evolution (1,5m) interconnect cable. These new top of the line cables are not yet officially launched by Taralabs. However the word spread rapidly that the Grandmaster Evolution cables are something extraordinary and they can be ordered, although the availability is restricted (partly because it takes quite some time to produce them). Being a music lover and audiophile for more than thirty years I have learned the hard way that a lot so-called break through products do not live up to the expectations. And although I was a little skeptical that the new Grandmaster Evolution would outclass my taralabs Omega Gold and Zero Gold cables, after talking several times to Matthew Bond and Devon Scott I took the jump. Boy, what am I glad that I did!
Having listened to them for about 50 hours I can say the following: the Grandmaster Evolution cables are by far the best loudspeaker and ic cables I have ever heard. These cables sound on the one hand very calm/serene but are on the other hand the most dynamic cables I have ever experienced. Furthermore they are very refined (velvet) sounding with a huge soundstage (deep as well as wide) but at the same time with a focus that exceeds easily all other cables that I am familiar with. Probably as a consequence of the great extension of the Grandmaster Evolution cables they also give you the impression that the soundstage is larger in height without making the players and instruments larger than they are. For example, the distance in height between various players in a large orchestra can be noted easily. Talking about an inky black background and transparency: the Grandmaster Evolution excels in this regard.
Hi fellow community, As I said before, The Buzz has started about the new Tara labs cables, This comment is from Audioshark forum site, this is really a great site, I like it and enjoy going to it from time to time,as always, brought to you by Audiolabyrinth, cheers to you all!, Comment found on Audioshark forum
"Tara Labs Grand Master Evolution ultra high end cables Okay guys. Non-believers in the cable side of this hobby please hit the back button immediately. Last week I received Tara labs new Grandmaster Evolution speaker cables and interconnects. These cables are definitely at a price point that only a handful of people would consider. Just a little over 100 K for a 3 meter set of speaker cables and a one and a half meter interconnect and a 1 meter interconnect….
The only thing I will say is wow! Out of respect for my other cable manufactures I do not want to go into much detail at this time …..
I know this is a truly crazy amount of money for cables. But could the performance increase possibly be justified? For the people that can afford it I will say a very big YES!
Hi everyone, The Buzz has started about the new Tara Labs cable models on multiple forum sites out there, The top of the new line is called Tara Labs Grand Master Evolution, then the second from the top is called, Tara labs Zero Evolution interconnect and matching speaker cable Omega Evolution, this particular comment was on whatsbest forum site, I wanted to share to our audiogon community what is being said about these Tara labs cables for our discussions, brought to you by, The Audiolabyrinth, Enjoy!,
The
Evolution
unlike anything you've heard or imagined
REVIEW COMMENTS
Comment by Audiocrack from Whatsbest forum:
“The new physically flexible TARA Labs Grandmaster Evolution, incorporating almost twice as many rectangular, solid-core "8 Nines" oxygen-free copper elements (288 conductors versus the omega Gold's 168 per channel speaker cables), adds the speed, transparency, dimensionality and, especially, textural suppleness….”
After my first post on the WBF I have been silent about the Tara Labs grandmaster evolution loudspeaker and interconnect cables because I wanted to break them in and learn more about them while doing so. I believe they are more or less played in by now and after some changes to my AC I believe I am in the position to make a final judgment. I am even more amazed and impressed now than I was at the time of my first post. These cables are so transparent and dynamic it is almost frightening. Furthermore, they present a huge soundstage, in particular the depth is unbelievable. Yesterday evening I played inter alia an old EMI recording of Shostakovich symphony no. 6/11, conducted by Paavo Berglund (beautiful recorded BTW by recording engineer Stuart Eltham), on my Forsell/Koetsu coral stone/Kondo step up/Zanden 1200 mk III (on the latter I used the special EMI curve) phono combination. The soundstage was phenomenal in depth. The stringtone was oh so sweet and at the same time the micro details in the recording were brought alive so easily and beautifully; I have never heard this recording sound so impressive before. In short, the Taralabs grandmaster cables are by far the best loudspeaker and interconnect cables I have ever experienced in my audiophile journey of more than thirty years. I urge everybody who is in the position to do so to give these Taralabs cables a listen: they are imho phenomenal. – Audiocrack
Thankyou misternice, you alone have persuaded me to go all Furutech GTX-D Rhodium for my system that will further tweek the sound of my Tara labs Zero Gold interconnect, Omega Gold speaker cables, Cobalt power cord with oyaide terminations, I am very happy to read that your Tara labs Onyx interconnect has improved performance useing the Furutech outlets to accomidate the house sound of Tara labs, your interconnect is real good!, so, this is the decideding factor for the conclusion of Rhodium vs Gold Furutech GTX-D outlets for me, you have been an asset, thankyou for all your input concering the outlets, you done a great job with your impressions, you are also saying that more of the Rhodium outlets does not hurt nothing, but betters the sound even more?, Awsome!
Hi there,the gtx rhodium just arrived.Im running all rhodium now.Now we are talking,the stereo is just taken on a,new life,sweet.Yep,the rhodium is letting the onyx perform too its best,and everything else too.Apart from that,not much else really,busy saving,as much as id like to buy some more stereo.
I just wanted to show everyone that Tara Labs has just introduced, for the first time since the early 90s a new conductor in their state of the art flagship interconnect only, The Grandmaster Evolution interconnect, I am hopeing over the next few years this new technology trickles down in some new models that may be introduced over the next few years, The rest of all the new current Tara labs interconnects and speaker cables has the Generation 2 conductors that are excellent for audio as it is, so This here is the Brand new Generation 3 conductor, known as Gen 3,instead of Gen 2, this is a great topic for all of us to talk about concerning Tara labs, This is called,,,,, Making Sense of….Gen 3 Conductors
TARA Labs, Inc. has just announced the introduction of its Generation 3 Rectangular Solid Core® conductor, to be used exclusively in its state-of-the-art interconnect cables.
TARA Labs claims that the Gen 3 conductor has an increased bandwidth or high-frequency extension, that makes it unrivalled in important test measurements and listening tests.
TARA Labs’ Vice President of Product Design, Matthew Bond, said that the new Gen 3 conductor has the same current-carrying capability of a 28 gauge conductor but has the high frequency linearity of a 40 gauge conductor.
Matthew Bond explains why this is possible. “In a conductor with a rectangular profile, there is a huge reduction of ‘flux-linkage’ or ‘coupling’ of electromagnetic lines of force. These lines of force are created as the signal (music) passes through any conductor.” Bond said further, “In a round conductor there is a large center that tends to roll-off or attenuate much more of the high frequency information … this does not happen in a Rectangular Solid Core® conductor”.
According to Matthew Bond, the new Gen 3 Rectangular Solid Core® conductor is smaller than the current Gen 2 conductor used in most of TARA Labs’ audio cables. The Gen 2 conductor measures approximately 25 thousands of an inch wide and 12 thousands of an inch in height. Bond says that the Gen 3 conductor is about 66% of the size of the Gen 2 conductor, and that it is Super-Annealed™ to increase its conductivity.
Both the Gen 2 conductor and the smaller Gen 3 conductor are said to be Eight-Nines™ pure copper, which is 99.999999% pure. TARA Labs’ trademarks for this technology are 8N™ and SA-OF8N®. SA-OF8N means Super Annealed – Oxygen Free 8 Nines copper. According to Bond, the term ‘annealing’ refers to the method whereby a conductor can be made softer and more conductive.
TARA Labs is widely known as the leader in cable technology and audio cable design. They are based in Ashland, Oregon. All cables are hand-made in the USA. Audiolabyrinth (Threads | Answers | This Thread)
Tboooe, Hi, Did you order your Furutech FTX-D outlets yet?, They should capitalize on the sound of your Tara labs, The two interconnect with HFX ground station you have.
Thankyou Tsushimal, That was a great read, I enjoy learning of the attempts of other cable company's out there to try to better the Tara labs Retangular conductors that are pure mono-crystal eight-nines super annealed, did you read my post 10-2-14 of the new Tara labs generation 3 conductors?,It's called, making since of generation 3 coductors, I get the info of Tara labs from their web-site are by E-mail from Tara labs, they send me answers to my questions about their cables, what do you use for cables?, do you mix, run a full loom?, there is many good brands out there, this is really all system dependent anyway, cheers.
Thankyou calvinj, I look forward as always with your audio journey, I find it quite intresting, I have learned what you like and dislike for componets, keep me posted please.
Once you are at 5-9's any claimed additional purity will have an vanishingly Minute audible affect on signal integrity. Crystal structure and boundary will impart a much greater affect on signal integrity http://www.neotechcable.com/technology.php
NEOTECH seem capable of marketing a high purity, rectangular , long crystal structure copper wire at less than $15 a meter .
"The unidirectional UP-OCC has no electric resistance and practically no crystal boundaries. Accordingly, it is able to transmit electrical signals faster, and with less distortion than ordinary OFC and silver wires. All of these features make the pure OCC copper and silver the state-of-the art conductor materials for the audiophile cable industry"
I cannot understand as to why the subject I posted did not have value, Instead I caught shitt for the post I got from Tara labs web-site!, concering the Tara labs generation 3 conductors, I thought I was bringing something to the table here for the public!, I did not know that the real world was this EVIL!
Geoffkait, you may be correct, I was not aware that eight-nines copper was so wide spread, however, the implentation of the conductor and dielectrics is everything, other wise, how can tara Labs charge so much money for their cables?, there has to be more to this!, I know what I hear at my home, I appreciate what Tara labs brings to my life!
@tonykay. You are so right. It goes on and on. @audiolabryinth. Hey if tara labs gets you to your musical happy place then so be it. Enjoy it!!!!! Different things will get our different ears where we want to be. Your system is your system regardless of if someone else likes it.
Thankyou so very much Tonykay, I take unbelievable shitt for doing this thread of Tara labs, I am so grateful for your response, thankyou from the bottom of my heart!
I like my Tara Labs cables but the number of responses to this thread is ridiculous! Tara Labs should be proud to have Audiolabyrinth as their spokesperson. He deserves an award for keeping this thread alive.
Sts, I assure you I do not need anymore resolution in my system, I cannot imagine more resolution for my system, I have enough, I have rediscovered my entire huge cd collection with awe, I am very happy with my sound, thankyou, and have a good day.
sts, there is NOTHING misinformed here about Tara labs period!, the information is straight off their web-site, LOL!, now you are saying their own information is incorrect?, really?, scare off potential clients?, I'm NOT a dealer!, that has no bearing with me!, the information that is posted by me is brand new material!, I have not repeated what I have posted, However, I believe I will to make sure all reads the profound achievements made by Tara labs, instead of being burried by sinceless post you made to discredit their products!, everyone, read my 10-2-14 post of the new Tara labs Generation 3 conductors, Happy listening to all.
Sts, The occ copper is NOT what Tara labs uses!, They have Eight-Nines copper instead of the occ six-Nines copper, then their conductor is retangular that they do have a patent on, what I meant to say, was that tara labs has a patent on their annealing proccess of their conductors!, if you believe you are making some kind of point here, then why are the cables that are thousands of dollars Tara labs makes selling?, you are saying it's only copper, I proved that there is way more to this than you realize, If I listened to you, all I need is a fricken copper zip cord and I'm done, really?, you should not undermine such a superior cable as Tara labs to benefit yourself!, If you had any thing better to offer, well then everyone would buy what you have instead of Tara labs, If you like, send me your very best cable, and in turn I will pittt it against what I have for Tara labs cables that is NOT their very best, I will be honest and fourth coming of the review, if you cannot meet the challenge here, then why do you speak out of line?
Hi Sts, Copper is all Tara labs needs when they have their own patent on a higher grade purity copper, The occ's best is six-nines copper that cannot be annealed, annealing is a proccess that Tara labs has a patent on, useing any other metal alloy of the likes of Gold or silver, Rhodium is NOT patent, any one can use what ever metal conductor they desire,although Tara labs makes their cables by hand, they have equipment that was designed for them that no one else has to make such a conductor as the Gen 2 and the new Gen 3 conductors, then there is the dielectrics that are patent in their new top cables that no one else has, Tara labs Gen 2 and Gen 3 is Eight-nines purity copper that is unsurpassed by the industry, why would Tara Labs need to use any other metal configuration for a conductor?, Tara Labs also has a coductor lay out configuration that is speced to be exact in the two top cables they have now, that alone is a feat unmatched in the industry to achieve, their is speciality equipment that is used for doing this configuration of the conductors before the cables are made by hand, if done correctly, copper is the best conductor for audio, an example of this is the FACT Furutech of Japan uses occ copper for their base metal of their top Recepticles, The GTX-D outlets, then they plate it with either Rhodium or Gold for different sound needs for any given system, However, Furutech is the only electrical outlet company in the world that uses copper for their base metal, The out come is that the Furutech GTX-D recepticles are known through out the audio community as the most liked for sound over all others, without the copper for the base metal, this feat could not be achieved, cheers.
I just wanted to show everyone that Tara Labs has just introduced, for the first time since the early 90s a new conductor in their state of the art flagship interconnect only, The Grandmaster Evolution interconnect, I am hopeing over the next few years this new technology trickles down in some new models that may be introduced over the next few years, The rest of all the new current Tara labs interconnects and speaker cables has the Generation 2 conductors that are excellent for audio as it is, so This here is the Brand new Generation 3 conductor, known as Gen 3,instead of Gen 2, this is a great topic for all of us to talk about concerning Tara labs, This is called,,,,, Making Sense of….Gen 3 Conductors
TARA Labs, Inc. has just announced the introduction of its Generation 3 Rectangular Solid Core® conductor, to be used exclusively in its state-of-the-art interconnect cables.
TARA Labs claims that the Gen 3 conductor has an increased bandwidth or high-frequency extension, that makes it unrivalled in important test measurements and listening tests.
TARA Labs’ Vice President of Product Design, Matthew Bond, said that the new Gen 3 conductor has the same current-carrying capability of a 28 gauge conductor but has the high frequency linearity of a 40 gauge conductor.
Matthew Bond explains why this is possible. “In a conductor with a rectangular profile, there is a huge reduction of ‘flux-linkage’ or ‘coupling’ of electromagnetic lines of force. These lines of force are created as the signal (music) passes through any conductor.” Bond said further, “In a round conductor there is a large center that tends to roll-off or attenuate much more of the high frequency information … this does not happen in a Rectangular Solid Core® conductor”.
According to Matthew Bond, the new Gen 3 Rectangular Solid Core® conductor is smaller than the current Gen 2 conductor used in most of TARA Labs’ audio cables. The Gen 2 conductor measures approximately 25 thousands of an inch wide and 12 thousands of an inch in height. Bond says that the Gen 3 conductor is about 66% of the size of the Gen 2 conductor, and that it is Super-Annealed™ to increase its conductivity.
Both the Gen 2 conductor and the smaller Gen 3 conductor are said to be Eight-Nines™ pure copper, which is 99.999999% pure. TARA Labs’ trademarks for this technology are 8N™ and SA-OF8N®. SA-OF8N means Super Annealed – Oxygen Free 8 Nines copper. According to Bond, the term ‘annealing’ refers to the method whereby a conductor can be made softer and more conductive.
TARA Labs is widely known as the leader in cable technology and audio cable design. They are based in Ashland, Oregon. All cables are hand-made in the USA.
Hi calvinj, Oh No!, This thread is not dying,calvin, I talk all over with absolute no interaction problems, It seems that there was just a couple of folks that came onto this thread and wanted to read more about Tara labs cables, what they did not realize is that the bunch that talks here has atleast one Tara labs cable in their system, and we were discusseing different audio tweeks that work real good with our componets and Tara labs cables that we use, an example was ueing Furutech GTX-D Rhodium or Gold recepticles for the wall, cheers my friend, good to see you, you are welcome here.
@audiolabryinth. Seems like your thread is dying. I just think people are questioning whether you actually work for Tara Labs. I know you don't but you need to look back what you have been saying. I'm not attacking you but it seems like you got a few folks who don't want to interact with you or if they do they seem to be a little dismissive. You can say whatever you want but sometimes we have to self evaluate. I saying this to you out of concern. I would be careful with the tara labs cheerleading. I like High Fidelity because I had tried so may other cables and high fidelity actually works for me and I had long pleasing demos with it. I know tara labs works for you I think you need to temper your enthusiasm a little. Don't dog other cables and don't compare them to things you never heard. This not an attack its advice. People on threads what to know how the cables perform in the areas of treble, bass, midrange, prat, transparency, naturalness, soundstage, realism, timbre, texture etc. people want to hear about those things more than just a blanket statement of how one cable is better than the other by a mile. People are working on their systems and don't want the other banter. I have said a few things I shouldn't but I think no matter what thread you go on. We. You and I need to stay on topic. You really need to. I think people are avoiding you. Just a little friendly advice. Happy listening!!!!
I do not understand, my 9-27-14 post to melbguy1 was all about Tara labs cables!, seems like someone is not reading the thread, and tring to start unnessary friction on this thread that has got along with everyone, and talked about many different topics with Tara labs cables, as a matter of fact, most that talk here about other topics have Tara labs cables in their system, so we talk about what sounds good with tara labs cables!, thankyou Acman3 for your post, cheers.
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