Streamer upgrade? follow up.


I posted the first part of this earlier in the week. There are a few other threads running concurrently here about this same subject.This is my personal experience with this situation.Ive been using a Aurender A100 streamer/dac which is they’re entry level unit, the SQ wasn’t horrible but I was pretty sure I could get it better.In a attempt to do that I purchased a Denafrips Pontus two and a DhLabs Mirage Usb cable to use with the A100 utilizing its Usb out.The two local hi fi dealers here in SO Cal both told me this would not produce much of an result and in my opinion after trying it they were both correct. So… as I stated in the first post I was coming from a “bit is bits” perspective which was I was convinced adding a better Dac would accomplish my goals, I just couldn’t believe that the zeros and ones  could possibly effect the quality of sound. But not being one to give up I decided in for penny in for a pound Id see for myself if there was anything to the other side of this conversation, I wanted a new toy for Xmas anyway.So I traded my A100 plus some cash to TMR ( nice people btw) for a shiny new Aurender N200 which arrived yesterday. Last night the moment of truth, I hooked up the new unit with the exact same everything as before in my system nothing different but the streamer.I let the tubes and everything else warm up for a few hours,picked a song I knew inside and out sat down and pressed play. Immediately within the first few notes of the Stones “ Wild Horses “ I knew I had made the right choice and that I was wrong believing  bits are bits “. I really don’t have adequate language to describe the difference in sound quality other than to say I feel like Im in someone else’s home listening to they’re far superior system, its that drastic.I can with complete confidence say this has got to be one of if not the most significant upgrades Ive made in my system, scouts honor!              PS. Grinin ear to ear here.                                                            

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Santa Claus is doing magic...

He could do the same magic if you have been ordered Node 2i instead and, he would in addition gift you in addition $5500 :⁠-⁠)

Now Santa Claus may have some problem in deciding whether to put Node 2i in the case of an Aurender or in the case of some other "respectable " streamer to do his magic, including the magic of returning money back. 

Given that Santa Claus may already be in a deep meditation and rest after hard Christmas work, it only remains to trust yourself. This thread, intensively or non-intensively is an implicit advertisement for the label and one particular product which costs a lot of money. If you guys are so willing to spend your money in a magical improvement for a well-advertised product, go ahead. There are thousand people suffering because of the lack of meal, i would rather donate than contribute in making rich individuals  richer. Do you really have an idea why N200 or whatever their product costs 6k, couldn't it cost 5,4, or 2k?

Music and audio  is as important for me as my work. I am willing to pay for something that can be justified, 6k for a  streamer, a simple computer with an incorporated monitor, for me, is just unjustified, it is not a technology that takes that much money to produce it. For me, this is just a dirty business and I would not like to contribute despite that SQ is so important for me. In fact, i sometimes think that i am fine with a little disturbed reproduction during streaming because it somehow makes digital sound more analog.

Can somebody explain clearly what particular advantages in SQ they have upgrading streamers? 

I would ask you a similar question, how much would you be willing to pay for Aurender V200? if it were 8k, would it be still ok, or say, 10k, or perhaps you would also admit 13k or more, still there will be some improvement in SQ? How you measure the limit in case you have one? This is what the marketing is about, if they see you eat it, they will further increase the price. 

I think that the Node is fairly priced, it does it's elementary job to transmit the data. In fact, do you realize that the difference in SQ from one badly recorded composition to another fairly recorded one would be much more than in your 6k upgrade?

I will tell you a secret that, in fact, am very keen to compare the Node with these steamers, but there are no such dealers close by here where I live. And it is against my principles to pay 6k for a simple computer (i would, if it were day 2k, which is already five times more, since obviously it will not be worse than the Node). Honestly, i don't like these big screens in streamers, they attract your attention on non important things when you wish to concentrate just on music. And I guess these screens are half from the total price. 

 

Charles, i share the point of view from your post, which not necessarily contradicts to what I said. I do not blame people buying these streamers, i only questioned if the price they are sold is justified and if we, buying them, are in fact pushing further rise of their public price. 

@jerryg123 , could you please be more moderate in your unproven statements and hypothesis?

@bikeboy52 , one of the supplied  tubes in my set amp was blown out and that is why I had to look for substitutes. And once you start this process it is difficult to stop until you find something ideal, which may never happen. Paying for a 60 years old nos tube pair 2-3 hundred dollars still seem to me more reasonable than 6k for a small computer. 

 

 

@jerryg123 You have repeated already twice about your very generous charity once a week. Everybody knows about this already, congratulation i also appreciate it and desire you happy new year! 

@jerryg123 comrade i didn't ask you an advice of where and how to move learn counting first. 

@bikeboy52 if you consider your purchase as a charity for these 150 person then this makes a sense.

I wished to clarify some things for me that i don't know, apparently i choose a wrong thread 

@bikeboy52 I would agree with the idea of employing these people if they had proportionally (to the cost of their products) high salary, i am afraid this might not be the case in Korea. Regards 

@vthokie83 I learned something new from your post, thanks for the input.

It is interesting how AirLens sounds with these two combined features as a streamer, compared to e g. Aurender N200. 

The question arose because of the cost of a computer device with a power supply that just transmits data and has a small screen. I don't know if such a device may r contain expensive parts and labor, might well be the case. I posted a question. Ideally, besides the owner, ordinary employers should  also benefit from a high cost  product they produce. You say that this is not how it works ("free" market), I readily agree that it is true. 

@sns Thanks for your post. I am not sure at all, but i suggest that you may have to do something  with Aurender company... and it was interesting to learn something about how these products are cooked. I didn't think  N200 may have parts of that cost inside... I wish to try some alternative to the Bluesound Node 2i.  I like an idea to combine a streamer with a music server and also to have both, Ethernet and WiFi options, because of two reasons. One, to be able to compare directly their SQ, and two, in my case i will need about 15 meters long Ethernet cable, at least, this will not look nice. 

I wish you and OP all the best in your art/business, and happy New Year to everyone!