Audiozen - I just wanted to make sure I'd understood this correctly: Dennis Deacon said that his new amp series, which I take to be the M2 series, has zero feedback. Zero feedback? If that is correct, that is a very intriguing technical development. There was a review of the M2 in the SixMoons from Sept, written by Glen Wagenknecht. It's a very positive and interesting review, but there is no mention of zero feedback.
BTW, the M2 series retails for a bit less than the W4S, so it's an affordable high-end component. Wagenknecht couldn't make a direct comparison between these two brands but based on memory stated that he thought the M2 had improved treble tonality and warmth. |
If D-sonic is price competitive with wyred with alternate/newer technology I will have to read up on them. Last time I looked, they were selling essentially stock Icepower models in a box for reasonable cost. That's not hard to do, and might offer good bang for buck for many. Wyred, Bel Canto and others cost more but added enhancements like custom input (for better results with a tube pre-amp) and power boards for better power supply. |
Jult52..Dennis brought up the zero feedback issue in my conversation with him last Sunday and pointed out this the
is the problem with other Class-D amps. Other companies have zero feedback amps including Hegel, Sanders Magtech and Soulution just to name a few. |
Mapman..Dennis at D-Sonic pointed out that he only uses B&O
ICE amps for the surround channels only in his multi channel home theater amps. He has done major mods on the SOA core amp. On The D-Sonic website select the products tab and click on the 6Moons picture which takes you to the review. Go in several pages and there is some good interior photos of the SOA amp. You will notice a red p.c.
board on a raised platform which is a modified input stage
that Dennis designed. He also added EMI/RFI shields and filters and added a higher quality A.C. filter which improves grounding, and uses all silver teflon wire. |
Ahah, another delicious thread on one of my favorite types of amps... I see I have missed some intriguing technical development in the last little while. G. |
Audiozen, I don't mean this to be a antagonistic question.
I'm interested in which switching amplifiers you have had first hand experience with in your system and what speakers you are using? |
Vicdamone..I currently own ten pairs of the Bel Canto R1000M's, three pair's of the Nuforce reference 18's, (one pair in the shower), and two DAC Cherry amps. I own ten pair's of speakers including the Wilson Grand Slams which I keep in my small den. |
Audiozen...grew up listening to the same vinyl and a Sansui Model 8 driving a pair of Bozak B313's. Turntable was a Garard. |
Dave_b.. Sansui is under different ownership and is mainly a flat panel television company. You can still buy restored Garrard's out of the UK but the very best restored Garrard's that are completely gutted out and restored to brand new condition are from Artisan Fidelity in Hammond, Illinois. Artisan does the very best restoration on classic turntables. Chris, who owns the company is at the top of his game. No one in Europe, the U.S. or in Asia can come close to Chris's Rolls Royce quality restoration. Look at his restored tables on Gon. Masterpieces. |
Hello Audiozen,
I am trying to decide between D-Sonic m2 (600 or 1200) or NewClear CL1000l or W4S SX-1000
Any suggestions which will be the best performer...i emailed with Sean form NewClear and he said his technology outperforms D-sonic's.
Any suggestions will be appreciated.
All the best
Miguel |
Mikicasellas..I have had several conversations with Sean, and have seen pic's of the interior of his stereo amp. Very little mods. Has two small Lundahl transformers and DH Labs silver plated copper wire with teflon jackets to the inputs and outputs. Thats about it. The problem with NewClear is that the input impedance has not been adjusted
to a higher number. Its at 30kohms, so it would be best to use a Preamp with a low output impedance.
Between the three I would go with Wyred4Sound. Why? the owner of the company
EJ Sarmento, has a degree in electronics. He is a circuit engineer. There are more extensive mods in the Wyred4Sound than in the NewClear. The input buffer circuit board is designed by Bascom King and raises the input impedance to 60Kohms which is easier to drive. Other mods are done by EJ
including different caps and resistors. Sean Brady and Dennis Deacon are business men, not circuit engineers. Wyred4Sound and Bel Canto are companie's that do the best job with the Bel Canto amps since both companies are owned by circuit engineers. D-Sonic uses Pascal and Abeltec
amps with very little mods. The new Jeff Rowland integrated uses
Pascal amps with major mods with added large power supplies. For the money, Wyred4Sound is the wisest choice. |
Audiozen,
Thanks for your feedback,
Despite the tech and mods on any of these brands, do you still consider W4S is the best choice sound wise?
Glen from 6 moons said that he consider the W4S is a cooler sound than the D-sonic and Jeff Dorgay claims that New Clear is beyond the mAmps of Wyred4sound...there is where iam hesitating.
Butb actually as iam going to purchase both W4S DAC2 SE and STP-SE preamp, match would do a pretty important synergy, right?
Miguel |
Miguel. If you want warmth and richness, here's what I would recommend. Don't buy Class D. If its for convenience
I can understand. Buy the Parasound A21 amp from Audio Advisor for $ 2300.00 and the Wyred4Sound STP-SE. You will
have a match made in heaven. The Parasound is now available in black. Its heavy and very powerful and will give much greater musicality than Class D. It is the best amp on the market in its price range. Its a John Curl design. He has always been a better amp designer than a Preamp designer. |
Audiozen
Thanks a lot for the suggestions, very thankful
I am an 80´s and 90´s guy who loves music more like Rush, The Police, Sade, Bowie, Sting, Ac/DC...Rock, heavy, jazz, Pop, latin, New age (Andreas Vollenweider) and so, its kind of very mix but i don´t hear any classical at all.
Considering my style of music do you prefer the Parasound above any of the Class "D".
Klaus from Odyssey was giving me a deal on his Kismets in Stratos cases with all his upgrades for $3,500 pair of monos, any thoughts?
Thanks again for your kind help man.
All the best
M. |
The Kismet is a damn good amp based on the review's I've read. Handsome looking too with those four chrome corner pillar's and that velvet looking black face plate. 160 watts per side. Heavy at 60 pounds a piece. The Parasound peaks at 300 amperes from both channels which is a helluva lot of current. What speaker's are you using or plan to use? |
Pound for pound...I would go for the Parasound given John Curl's reputation for the past 40 years. The review of the A21 in England seems to be more positive and accurate.
HiFiPig and Hi-News reviews love the amp describing it as very
natural, organic, and very smooth with outstanding bass and soundstage and imaging. Its a steal for $2300.00 |
Audiozen
The speakers that i already have are the Golden Ear Triton Two's with powered subwoofers (Class "D") already...
Regards
M. |
Ah!..Sandy Goss speaker's. Their known for their extremely
neutral open transparent sound. Very power hungry even though they have high sensitivity at 91 db's. It would be best to use warm sounding electronics with the Tritons. I would never use Class D amps on the Triton's knowing Sandy's history with DefTech. The Parasound would ad a very good balanced sound with its warm full character that would result in a more forgiving relaxed sound from the Triton's. |
Miguel..I highly recommend you check out two videos on Youtube. Type in the search bar "Parasound A21 Amp". The listed menu will show two videos. Both are narrated by the owner of Parasound Richard Schram. Their both sponsored by Audio Advisor. One video is Parasound A21 Overview, the other is Inside the Parasound A21. It provides helpful tech
knowledge of how good the amp is. |
Miguel..there is an option that I would highly recommend you take advantage of or it will probably be gone in several days. Up for sale on Audiogon is perhaps one of the top three performing integrated amplifier's on the planet. The CODA CSIb. Very powerful. 330 watts
@8ohms and 660 watts @4ohms. Mint condition with only 100 hours of play time. $4500.00 out of Colorado.
Having owned and listened to Coda gear in the past, this beast is about
as musical as you will ever want regardless what you run through it. Built like a Rolls Royce. Warm, rich, lush, with outstanding bass and dynamic's. It will give a lot of separates a run for their money. You will notice a solid top cover since it does not get very hot for a Class A/B amp. Rare to see this on Gon. Will bring out the very best from your Triton's. Hand built in Sacramento. |
Audiozen,
Let me check on that!
I just sold my Calyx DAC to a guy who after some different audio systems he is now using the Primaluna Prologue set (preamp and monos) and he says it outperforms his last Roguepreamp with Kismet's Stratos and other setups, also i have had some chats with the team of GE and they say that the Triton can handle any kind of amp very well, i saw a BAT (bk6200 2-channel) also, how would put this one against the Parasound?
Best regards
Miguel |
Miguel..I have owned BAT gear back in 2001 and had problems with the equipment. Sold my BAT gear three months later. The company was having hard times recently and was just purchased by Music Direct. Regarding CODA. One of my top favorite solid state companies of all time. Much better than Parasound and would take it over BAT any day of the week. The CSIb integrated currently for sale on Gon is a steal for the performance it delivers. Tremendous power and very efficient. Smooth, warm, organic with tremendous dynamics and transparency. Since the Triton's are a little on the cool side, the Coda would be the perfect balance to deliver the warmth the Triton's need. |
Thanks Audiozen,
That sound great!
I have a doubt in two things regarding TUBE gear:
Why don't they use Balanced inputs and outputs and are the watts on TUBES same as the watts on SS?
Best
Miguel |
