Speaker placement..

Cardas Speaker Placement Formula.

http://www.cardas.com/content.php?area=insights&content_id=26&pagestring=Room+Setup

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there is one other possibility regarding toe in.

if you have already tried toe-in, try to out,. and if you have room treatment on the walls, near your speaker, you may absorb some of the treble frequencies and change the spectral balance.

try moving the speakers 8 feet away from the rear wall.

by the way, i like the artemis eos speakers. i heard them many years ago. i am not generally a proponent of cone designs, but what i heard, at ces, impressed me.

My room is 26' long and 16' wide. I have my speakers 70" into the room (measured to the back of the speaker), and about 7' 9" apart (measured center to center). I sit about 9.5 ft. away from them. To my ears, this is magic in my room.

Your biggst issue is going to be moving the speakers around until you get the smoothest tonal balance, exciting as few room modes as possible. But be sure as you are moving them around, you don't forget to move your listening chair as well. Experiment with moving speakers/chair at different distances, and not always exactly the same. Contrary to what most believe, this could take months to get right, but be patient. Your room is a good size and has good dimensions. If you have the luxury of placing you and the speakers wherever you like (i.e. a dedicated room), you should eventually end up with a sound you like. That is, if the speakers you have are really the ones you want.

Oz

Check out http://www.realtraps.com/art_room-setup.htm

As I interpert what you are saying when you mention integrating bass and that the sound is flat unless you're right on the back wall is that you are complaining about (a lack of) the fullness of the bass, a sense of warmness. Might that be correct?

Assuming that it is have you been familarized yourself with set up procedures, such as talked about on the Rives site or have you looked up the 'Cardas System' for a good set up starting point (basically he suggests a speaker listening position triangulated, close to equal distance, and with the listening position as well as the speakers about 1/3d into the room. 1/4 might work as well, as a starting point. If you get a sound pressure level meter and a test disc with 1/3d octave pink noise you can measure (and chart) the frequency response of each set up until you get one that is a flat as you can.

This can be a long and tedious problem, very long! But its worth it. Toe in is not a frequency response issue - except proper toe in (including crossing the axis of the speaker in front of you) affects the high-frequency respons some and helps focus your sound stage more sharply.

If you want some specific advise you might describe your actual set up in your room now so folks can better appreciate exactly what recommendations might actually help you. Use exact measurements.