CD Magfan? I am talking about Advanced Resolution Surround
Sound (96kHz/24-bit) DVD-Audio Disk. I am still trying to
figure out how my Pioneer DV-58AV Downmixes this to 2-Channels. I mean if it is Meridian Lossless Processing that
compresses the multi-channel signal, what 42/96 DAC can decode and downmix this Digital Signal. How would you even
store it on a Hard Drive? There are two Menus on this Disk,
one Advanced Resolution Stereo, one Advanced Resolution
Surround Sound. Both 24/96. You can clearly hear the difference, even on a 2-Channel System. The Surround Sound
(Downmixed?) version has about twice the Soundstage width and depth, and it sounds crystal clear. I don't hear ANY
Surround Sound Processing at all. It sounds about as close
to a Record as I have ever heard from an Optical Disk. Don't know why more Disks don't utilize this, HD Disks are
dissappearing. I guess everyone is just anticipating Blue-Ray Audio. Get this Version on a Hard Drive? No telling how good it will sound! It will be complicated, there might be some DVD Extractor Media Programs that can do this. |
Petty,
I've got Diana Krall 'The Look Of Love' CD on my Mac. Both as a ALAC and later as a MP3/ 160 for my 'pod. |
Protected Files are Protected Files. You can't Rip them on
Mac or PC Music Servers. You can't Rip, Burn, Sync, Transfer Music Files, Upsample, Downsample, or Download if
Media Usage Rights are denied due to Protected Files. Is it your contention that Macs can illegally bypass Digital
Rights Management? My point is that Digital Rights Management, Media Usage Rights, and Protected Files pretty
much makes any Media Player/Music Server about as useful as
a CD Player. It changes the whole Equation alltogether in the whole Music Server vs. CD Player arguement. People need to know what it is that they are buying into with a PC Music Server. It is not all Music to the ears, like most PC Music Server Advocates would have you believe.
We have all heard about having Music in every room in the House, no more fumbling with rows of CD Jewel Boxes, the
convenience of having your entire Music Library at your fingertips. These are all Deceptive Promotions in an Extreme. There is NO GUARANTEE that you will be able to Rip ALL of your CDs to your Music Library-certainly NOT when there are Protected Files on those CDs! Do you remember anyone warning about this, or was it completely Glossed over with about a hundred coats of all of the
convenient advantages of PC Music Servers. All you ended up buying was a suped up CD Player! The illusion was that you were buying a whole new Format. Digital Rights Management, Media Usage Rights, and Protected Files turns any PC Music Server into nothing more than just another CD
Player. It is just like selling your CD Player, and then buying it right back at a higher price! Some improvement! |
Pettyofficer- you haven't responded to the suggestions that you use a Mac as a music server..your thoughts? |
I would still like to lisen to a 24/96 Music File off of a Hard Drive feeding my favorite DAC. With Digital Rights
Management/Media Usage Rights/Protected Files for DVD-Audio Disks, and Downloaded Music Files-N-E-V-E-R--G-O-N-N-A--H-A-P-P-E-N! Doesn't matter if it is for my own personnal use, I am not a damn Pirate. I have heard the improvement with Ripped CD Music Files. Certainly not going to find my favorite Music. What does this make PC Music Servers if nothing more than a suped-up Adding Machine! Maybe you were able to Rip your favorite Music, before someone decided to close the Barn Door. Now with the Barn Door closed (DRM, Media Usage Rights, Protected Files), PC Music Servers are no better, or useful than CD Players! It has become useless and meaningless to pursue this Format! If you got away by Ripping a few 24/96 Disks
prior to Protected Files-lucky you! The rest of us are just screwed with our PC Music Serving suped-up expensive
Adding Machines! |
Neither one of you have ever had a Protected File in all of the Songs that you have Ripped from your CDs? That is strange, because a Microsoft Troubleshooting Forum is loaded with dozens of Windows 7 Users who run into Media Usage Rights Errors with numerous Songs they try to Rip off of their CDs. Most of them are using Windows Media Player 12. I happen to know for a fact that a 24/96 Version of Diana Krall, "The Look Of Love", has Protected
Files for every Song on the Disk-except for the first Song.
Protected Files/Songs, you can't Rip them, and there is no place to purchase the Media Usage Rights to do so. What is really weird is that you can purchase/Download every last one of these exact same Songs 99 Cents a piece off of ITunes. Purchasing; However, without knowing what the Digital Rights Management and Media Usage Rights are. The same as it was with the DVD-Audio. I don't like surprises, and I certainly don't like buying something without being told what it is. This certainly applies to the PC Music Server Format in Spades. These type of things are commonly
referred to as a Trap Doors, and they have a tendency to pull out the floor from underneath you! So while everyone is whewing over all of the wonderful things with PC Music Server, how about telling the Truth warning others about all of the Trap Doors of this Format, instead of just letting them get blindsided! I only get angry when Blind
Advocate Pundits with-hold critical info. to sweeten the pot of PC Music Server Advocacy! They put forward everything that is great, to the exclusion of any pitfalls
or downside of PC Music Servers. Yeah, I get angry when I have been set-up like a Mark, it's only Human, don't you? |
I bailed on Gates/ Windows after XPpro. Went over to the dark side and MAC. Vista was / is a giant step backwards. Kind of like what they did with WindowsME after '98.
You seem pretty angry, so all I can add is that if you don't like Windows Media and all the crap, junk it out.
If you are trying to make a larger political point about privacy, usage and prying a-holes with computers, you won't get any argument out of me. Learn how to turn ports off, run a WIRED router and practice safe computing practices. If you are REALLY serious about privacy / security, you may want to build a firewall computer and run something like 'smoothwall'.
Now, my needs are simple and met by ITunes. For ITunes 10. and above, you need a 'free' account to access artwork.
I take a CD, and install in confuser. It automatically, per my settings, makes a ALAC copy to my big music folder. I copy that to my HOUSE playlist and make another MP3 copy for my 'pod.
The last link in the chain is sending the ALAC files to my Airport Express and than by either analogue or optical, to my stereo. My 'pod has a 'remote' app which allows me access to every tune on my confuser without leaving my seat. |
WOW! So much negative vibes over a hobby. Calm down and don't jump just yet. Go back over your post the past few months and reread some of the good advise you received from many experienced Agon members, and sort out your concerns.
For one, I don't have a CD player in my system, only a Win 7 music server and I have no issues with it. For me, dbpoweramp does the ripping of CD's using their "accurate" setting. I have over 40,000 FLAC tracks and they all play just fine. I use J River Media Center as server software output through a Lynx sound card, AES cable into a Bryston DAC. I play digital files from 16/44.1 to 24/192 with superb results.
So if something isn't quite right for you, then change it. This is a hobby and not worth having a stroke over.
Paul |
Thanks for selling the rest of us out! I am sure that there
is a Special, "Convenient" place in Hell for People like this. Don't spend the 30 pieces of Silver in one place! |
No Answer! Well then, I guess that you can't rip everything from your CD Collection to your Hard Drive after all. Well, that doesn't quite match the promotional
punditry that I have been reading for PC Music Serving! It
is so convenient, your Music at your fingertips, you won't
have to mess with piles of CD Jewel Boxes again, you can listen to your Music in any room in your House, and it is
s-o-o-o-o-o convenient! You will never go back to your CD
Player again! Uhh, don't throw away that CD Player just yet! Your wonderful PC Music Server might not play PROTECTED FILES from your CD Collection! That is the Truth of it, STOP glossing over it! The only thing that will play
these CDs IS your CD Player! Heaven help you if your PC Music Server mistakes several of your CDs as PROTECTED FILES when they aren't! Several Songs can be cross-referenced from various Albums, Songs that aren't PROTECTED
FILES can be mistaken as such! You are screwed without a CD
Player! No-one here can even suggest a solution to this problem. Maybe they are just hoping that everyone will overlook this, once they are suckered in to the so-called
convenience! I R-E-A-L-L-Y can't handle all of this Convenience! Everyone else's Convenience at my expense! And you guys SOLD this LEMON to the unsuspecting PUBLIC! You claim that you don't work for Microsoft or the Recording Industry, well you sure as hell are their best advocates! If I were you I would demand a paycheck, you have certainly earned it! |
Simple questions: Does Media Monkey, Foobar 2000, Roxio, or Nero utilize DRM (Digital Rights Management) with their Downloaded or Ripped Music Files? If so, what does this do to my CDs from 5-10 yrs. ago that I want to Rip to Hard Drive? Because these Disks have no Media Usage Rights stored on Disk, does Digital Rights Management block me from Ripping these Disks? WindowsMedia.com has already pulled up the wrong playlist on several of my CDs. Obviously, it will cross reference songs from different Albums by mistake. Obviously, it will also cross reference the Media Usage Rights by mistake in the same manner. I can be blocked from ripping a song that I have Media Usage Rights for by mistake. How do you correct this? |
Just to recap. Everything I do from Playing Back Disks-CD, DVD-Audio, DVD-Video, and CD-R. Everything I do from Ripping, Burning, Playback of Music Files, Transfering Music Files, Downloading of Music Files, Upsampling, and Downsampling. Everything that I do with my Media, I have to get permission or Green lighted by outside Online monitoring by WindowsMedia.com/ Media Usage Rights? This is a benefit from Windows 7? I can skip all of this by using a CD Player? I am the only one that has a problem with this? What if WindowsMedia.com makes a mistake with its Media Usage Rights? What if half of my CDs are unplayable, or unrippable by a WindowsMedia.com mistake? Who do I see about that? This is perfectly acceptable to everyone? Are you sure that you can handle this convenience? It is way too much convenience for me! |
Ponnie: You don't use Media Player at all? Is this a Windows 7 System with Windows Media Player 12? What about
the automatic Online link to WindowsMedia.com, that kicks in everytime you stick any Disk into the DVD-ROM? What about the automatic scanning of that Disk by WindowsMedia.com for Media Usage Rights prior to allowing the Disk's use/ Ripping a Copy/ or Playback? Ditto for Downloads, Transfering Music Files, and Burning Copies? There has to be a Program outside of Windows Media Player 12, that automatically links you Online to WindowsMedia.com, weither you want to go there or not! Is this Program installed in Internet Explorer? If so, how do you get rid of it? Will this Program interfere with your usage of a different Media Player for Downloading, Playback, Ripping, Burning, or Internet access to do any of these? Anytime I load a CD, I am linked (being monitored) by WindowsMedia.com within a microsecond. Choose not to go there, and you loose Internet access to your Media Player-that pretty much squashes Downloading, unless that is the whole idea? Sounds a little too convenient (premeditated) by Microsoft for me! All exits are conveniently blocked! I really can't handle all of this convenience! |
Lenny_zwik: Privacy Statement is included with Windows 7. You can refer to Recommended Settings/ What this Feature does/ The Player (Windows Media Player 12) can automatically obtain Media Usage Rights when needed (for more information, see Microsoft Digital Rights Management).
Everytime you use Windows Media Player, and load a CD Disk, the Disk gets scanned. The information automatically gets sent via Online to WindowsMedia.com. The Information is scanned for Media Usage Rights and Digital Rights Management. The CD will not play unless Windows Media Player gets the Copyright green light from WindowsMedia.com. Ditto for DVD-Audio, DVD-Video, Music Files, Downloads, Ripped Copies, and all other Media. None of my Media has ever been required to be scanned this way prior to playback. Forget CD-R's of my own Music, no Copy
Right Records are going to exist in WindowsMedia.com Databanks. Not allowing Internet access to my Media, pretty much kills Downloading. Replacing the Windows Media Player with another Media Player, still leaves the Protocols in Internet Explorer that automatically link Media Player/Windows Internet Explorer/ Online straight to
WindowsMedia.com everytime you stick a Disk in the DVD-ROM,
Download or transfer Music Files. Oh yeah, this baby is definitely a Mouse Trap, and they even had the insidiousness to call this thing a Privacy Statement. As if they are looking after your own interest and Privacy.
Congradulations, fellow PC Music Server users! Another fine mess of a Snake-Oil Format that you have gotten the guilible Buying American Public to sink their money into!
I really can't handle all of this convenience! |
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Did you try my suggestion? With respect to your other questions and concerns, I don't believe you'll receive a satisfactory answer from this forum. |
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Disconnecting from the Internet does nothing for Downloading. Trying other Media Players? Aren't the Internet Explorer Protocols that link whatever Media Player, Windows 7, and WindowsMedia.com still there? How do you get rid of those? This WindowsMedia.com, with Digital Rights Management, is starting to sound like the Master Control Program from Tron! Even so, it goes even farther by monitoring what CDs I listen to, in the privacy of my own home! Privacy isn't a choice, it is a Right! Microsoft, and Bill Gates don't know the difference? The thing that burns me the most is the PC Music Serving BandWagon trying to drive this thing down everyones throat, and not forwarning anyone about things like this!
Just leaving everyone to be blindsided who are trying to create a PC Music Server! Since everyone is avoiding my earlier question, I will ask it one more time: Concidering Privacy issues, why was something like this even concidered? Is it because no-one has an answer? Can anyone here honestly admit that maybe the PC Music Server wasn't such a good idea after all? Hey, if Corporations are going to monitor what I do in the Privacy of my own Home, maybe the price of your PC Music Serving Band Wagon is too high?
If not, then where exactly do you draw the line, or do you just allow Corporations to continuosly push the line further back? WindowsMedia.com isn't the End, it is just the beginning. Who else do you want peeking into your Bedroom? Is PC Music Server worth that? |
Try Media Monkey or foobar 2000. Search for them on google. Also, get Nero 8 or 9 or higher or Roxio's latest version to do your burning duties. If you have the 64 bit Windows make sure your programs are compatiable.
check out computersworth.com for great pricing on roxio and nero. The retail version has many more features than the express version, hands down!
I don't use Media Player at all!!!!! |
Disconnecting from the internet is simple, but probably overkill and a PITA to plug/unplug. I'd just block the ports or IP address(es) in the firewall that WM player accesses if the method that Lenny zwik mentioned doesn't do the job. |
Disconnect your Internet connection while you play/ burn discs. |
There have to be Internet Explorer Protocols that link Windows Media Player 12 to WindowsMedia.com. Replace Windows 7 Media Player 12 with another Media Player Program, those Protocols are still going to be there everytime you stick a CD into the DVD-ROM Drive. Always
wondered why it takes so long to load a CD on the DVD-ROM
Drive, nice to know that the CD is being thoroughly inspected by outside monitoring (WindowsMedia,com). Hopefully I will get a green light from Digital Rights
Management! Hate to have Digital Rights Management Red Flag any of my CD-Rs by mistake, even if I haven't violated any copyright! Choice be damned, whose idea was this? What other wonderful ideas do they have for monitoring what I do in my Bedroom? Music Serving my Butt-
didn't know that I was entertaining someone outside my
Bedroom! Why was something like this even concidered? |
In the Library view you should see a "Stream" button. When you click on it you should see a choice to allow internet access to my media. Click on it and you'll see a choice to NOT allow internet access to your media. that should fix your issue |
