Recommendations for a jazz record which demonstrates vinyl superiority over digital


I have not bought a vinyl record since CDs came out, but have been exposed to numerous claims that vinyl is better.  I suspect jazz may be best placed to deliver on these claims, so I am looking for your recommendations.

I must confess that I do not like trad jazz much.  Also I was about to fork out A$145 for Miles Davis "Kind of Blue" but bought the CD for A$12 to see what the music was like.  I have kept the change!

I love the jazz in the movie Babylon, which features local Oz girl Margo Robbie (the film, not the jazz).

So what should I buy?

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@kennyc - I confess that I don't understand what adding "drive" actually means.  They do have a big motor and stylus drag may be less of an issue.  Not having rubber bands pulling the platter may help.

Tonearms - yes, an SME V costs more than the entire Holbo set up. My partner expects anything that expensive to have more than one diamond, and to be wearable.

My experiences had, off any audio device is that it is at its best when it does not make its presence too known.

A audio device can make its presence known in a way that is for myself and my unique preferences for hearing sound, that is too overwhelming. This is not limited to one end of the Frequency Spectrum.

When learning about Transparency and hearing systems that are only describable as being Transparent, my own reaction to the experience after a short period of time was the sound was becoming unpleasant.

The same can be said for hearing systems with an overwhelming, very loose Bass Note. For myself the Bass Hanging around for extended periods, becomes a very noticeable distraction.

In a nutshell, I like a Colour to be detectable in music I Listen to through audio equipment. How much colour has been the learning curve for many years, and in fairness will most probably be the ongoing endeavour for the rest of my time with a reasonable listening capability. Honing the Colour and Fine Tuning the Distortions produced will be the endless task. For the meantime I remain very contented, but do have a few items of interest on a shortlist.

As for the statement  "  rim drive adds “drive” to the music ". As a long term user of Idler Drive TT's and a SME IV Tonearm. I can easily describe the "Drive" referred to as a Colouration that is detectable. My experiences of the ID TT when mounted in certain plinth designs, in my assessment, struggles to get out of the way and has the potential to become quite noticeable to the point of being fatiguing after a period of listening.

Today I own a ID TT for nostalgia reasons and only really use the fully operational retained one mainly for demo's, to introduce others to Idler Drive TT's.

Usually when my ID TT is offered as a demo' along side other TT's, there is positive responses from others. Typically those who are New to the ID TT, do like the price the ID TT can be bought for, but the ID TT, is not usually a TT to convince an individual who I have witnessed experience one in use make a Beeline for. 

Individuals who are much more familiar with the ID TT, and hear it used in comparisons are quick to share, how the ID TT, is masking info, that is being presented by other Drive TT's in use.

Note:  Demo's being referred to are not using the same support structure - same tonearm - same cartridge on all TT's being used.    

  

Just figure out what you want to listen to and dump most of the money into one of the two or achieve lesser performance and have both. If you have unlimited funds, build two state of the art front ends.

very astute observation.

regarding turntables, you have rim drive, belt drive, and direct drive. They all have their strong points and inherent problems, but unless you are into megabuck tables that have overcome or mitigated the problems inherent to each, by far the best choice is rim drive of the Garrard 301 variety. There are others but that is the one you hear about most often. Not sure what information the previous poster thinks they are masking or how they are fatiguing. My experience is the polar opposite. They make music, it is marvelous.

The holy grail for many is a Commonwealth from Australia. Long discontinued but very desirable. I have one coming in the next few weeks to probably replace my 301. My 301 has been updated including a heavy stainless steel platter and platter bearing which I think is essential, The stock Garrard platter has issues, but it is as old as I am (1955) and sounds superb.

Regarding the UHQR KOB there are many sealed and NM copies available on Discogs.com. I don’t know how much shipping to Australia increases the price but many are below what Acoustic Sounds asks for a new copy.

https://www.discogs.com/release/18884065-Miles-Davis-Kind-Of-Blue

https://www.discogs.com/sell/release/24373778

I don’t want to turn this into a debate on how to set up your table, but get some decent set up tools, protractors, etc, and some way to set azimuth other than by ear, too deep a subject for here but google it. If you have the funds and the patience, I’ve found Analog Magik to be indispensable.

good luck on your journey

As said, when mounted in certain plinth designs, in my assessment, struggles to get out of the way and has the potential to become quite noticeable to the point of being fatiguing after a period of listening. 

Has not there been an endless period of time known off, where Plinths for ID TT's is the main talking point.

Is there not an Cottage Industry out there where the Plinth for ID TT's are the main product being manufactured.

A recent thread on the Gon, that covers this very subject makes references to the Plinth having been the cause of the listeners discontentedness. Especially after having invested Monies into a Bespoke Design Plinth, from a Cottage Industry Plinth Production Service. 

Very Very few get the ID TT to function satisfactory as a right of the bat encounter. It takes quite a lot of investment in learning about the interfaces that optimise the design to produce a ID TT, that will stand out for being a strong contender when demonstrated in the Company of other TT Designs. 

Many Many listeners of Audio Equipment, especially using the Vinyl Source, are today a lone listener. Who do not create opportunities to listen to other set ups, or have their Source used in other Systems, or are having the Source from other Systems used in their own system. These type of individuals usually only know what they know, and again many many of these types of user of Audio Equipment are a listener that is not willing to learn how to find a betterment for the set up they have produced. Occasionally an inquisitive individual comes forward, listens to proposed ideas, finds their own way to produce something bespoke and creates something quite special for their needs.