Price Isn't Always Indicitive of Quality or Performance


I had spent over $1000 on a Synergistic Research Cable.  The Atmosphere Level 1 level, to be exact. I was using this as my main source cable to my powered speakers. It was absolutely DE-MOL-ISHED by Lavricables' Grand line for a mere $500. It isn't that the SR cable wasn't good.  I was impressed with it and it was a major upgrade over their Foundation line and a phenomenal upgrade over Audioquest's Yosemite cable. 

SR and Lavricables use similar tech, but only Lavricables uses pure silver practically throughout.

Here is the over all make up of the $1000 SR Atmosphere cable:

4 conductors.
Conductor: Silver/Copper matrix.  Or....silver and copper wire twirled together. Purity unknown. Actual wire gauge unknown.
Dielectric: Teflon
Source Connector: gold plated copper, cryo treated and has graphene applied.
Speaker Connector: Silver plated silver, cryo treated and has graphene applied.
Has a silver-plated copper mesh as a floating shield.
Uses a Tesla Coil to burn the cable in (quantum tunneling) prior to shipping out.

Now...Lavricables' $500 cable:

4 conductors.
Conductor: 20 awg 6N pure silver. Each group is laminated separately in Teflon before being encased in Teflon dielectric insulation. Graphene is applied at key points through out the cable.  The cable was cryo treated.
Dielectric: Teflon
Source Connector: Trillium Copper plated with gold. Cryo treated and has graphene applied.
Speaker Connector: AECO ARP-4055 Pure Silver RCA Connectors. Cryo treated and has graphene applied.

The unbelievable sound quality from pure silver was so immense and powerful.  It was no longer like listening to music as it was more like experiencing the music.  The music was pushing into you.  Similar to going to a concert and having the music beat and play in your chest. There were songs that had distortion at either loud, high pitched, or at peak cacophony that I attributed to being part of the recording. The Lavricables proved that it was simply that the SR cable was incapable of reproducing those notes.  WHAT!?! I mean, how do you engineer a cable to fail at $1000? I guess so it doesn't out perform or come too close to your $10,000+ cables. In Lavricables, the Grand line is tops; there is nothing higher.  They pour *ALL* their knowledge, best materials and techniques in the Grand line.

I thought long about this and I think I figured it out. It isn't that Synergistic Research is necessarily trying to rip anyone off.  It's the cost of doing business in the United States.  Lavricables are located in Latvia. Synergistic Research and Audioquest are based out of California.  The average MSRP markup on goods in CA is 3000%. To compare, Texas's MSRP markup is 300%. So the cost of materials will be higher to make the same product in CA than it would in TX. Synergistic Research and respectively Audioquest, has to charge what they do to maintain living and operating out of CA. But in Latvia?  It is clear to me that the materials, tech and know how isn't that expensive there.  So it can be surmised that the cost of living and operating out of Latvia is less expensive, which means they can offer the highest grade product at a much lower cost than if the same cable were made here in the United States.

I am thinking of replacing *ALL* my cables. O_O

guakus

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My Lavricables were given a 150-hour burn-in prior to shipping, so their good sound straight out of the shipping box was not a Hugh surprise. Well, they are improving as time passes. I have to say that they present a fabulous pairing of much transparency and very open sound with really excellent tone/timbre/harmonic overtones. Nuance retrieval (Retention?) is impressive.

They are providing an upper tier level of SQ for a very manageable cost. An added feature is they are very flexible, light and non-bulky. I am very pleased with the outcome of this purchase. I strongly recommend them for consideration for those shopping in their price range.

Charles

Sounds like you have found a very cost effective silver solution. Congratulations

Yes, glad you understood, and this is my only point. There is no attempt to make a broad sweeping statement in regard to all silver cables in all and every audio system. As we both know, simply too many variables at play. I am just happy to say that for whatever reason the silver cables I have chosen have proven splendid in my particular system. Nothing more.

Charles

@ghdprentice

Thank you. I agree with regard to the settling in process. It is just very encouraging for the early listening impression to be so satisfying. These are legitimately very good High End power cables for a quite reasonable (IMO) cost.

My audio system is now comprised of all pure silver cabling and the tonality/timbre is just so natural and inviting. Whatever issues some other listeners have had with silver wire cables has eluded my experience. I also believe that all of the cables being unshielded is very likely a contributing factor for the very good sound.

Charles

I received 3 Grand cables and 1 Master (DAC or CD transport LPS). I have listened to the 3 Grands (SET mono blocks and line stage power supply). If Lavricables say Master suits your needs, I’d trust their judgment. Their product is high quality for certain.

Charles

In case anyone may be interested, I received my Lavricable power cables. They underwent a 150-hour burn-in process prior to shipment. To get straight to the point , these are excellent and I'm very happy that I decided to give them a chance. I do not know exactly how power cables contribute to affecting sound quality, but they do.

I have been using Coincident power cables purchased new 13 years ago. They are very high quality 6N pure multi strand copper and shielded, very well made. They sound terrific in my audio system. Due to my success with silver IC/SC I became curious about silver power cords. The only way to solve that curiosity was to try some, so here I am.

Lavricable Grand power cables do not blow away the Coincident nor is there a "night and day" difference. The Grand cable is at this early stage as clear and transparent as the Coincident. But right away I noted distinctions between them.

The Grand is fuller and a bit warmer in tonality (Meat on the bone effect). Instruments has more body, weight and presence.

More reach out and touch tactility. They dig deeper into the nuance and subtleties of the music. They reveal more of the harmonics and intricacies of jazz guitar chords for example, More awareness of a drummer's brushes on cymbals and skin of the drums. Uncovering more of the growl of the tenor or baritone saxophone etc.

They provide more of an open 3-D space with increased apparent density of the individual performers. The thing is the Coincident did all of these various things quite well. The Grand takes this further. I love the combination of very high resolution with a very tactile natural sound. Not a hint of a clinical, sterile dry or analytical character, just very natural. 

I'm very happy with what I'm hearing and will keep these silver unshielded cables. They have very similar impact as when I placed the Ocellia Silve Reference IC/SC in my system. Fuller bodied tone, increased harmonic overtones awareness and better exposure of the micro detail/nuances. I just have not encountered the thinness or brightness that others have complained about silver wire. 

I do not know what accounts for my different outcomes but that's my listening experience thus far. @guakus thanks for starting this thread. I doubt that I would have come across Lavricables otherwise.

Charles

@sns

With regard to the discussion earlier today about balanced isolation transformer power cable needs. Here’s Lavricables description of the Grand power cable.

”New carefully braided 30 core pure silver mains cable.
• 10 cores of 5N solid silver wire AWG28 are used for Active line and 10 ones for Neutral in order to transfer AC voltage.
• 10 cores of silver plated copper 0.3mm diameter are used for Earth line”

Charles

@sns

No doubt that trying to achieve/maintain an optimal balance is a worthy objective. I will say that I am very happy with the current sound quality of my system. Which again consist of silver wire speaker cable/IC and copper wire power cables. So, I believe I have a very good reference point to make comparisons with.

I certainly understand the idea/notion of too much of a good thing. However I am very impressed by what high quality silver wire brings to the table. I am very eager and curious to see how this material plays out in a power cable application.If it doesn’t work out or a step taken backwards, I will simply go back to my terrific Coincident copper power cables. With eyes wide open I am very willing to try the silver and see (Hear) what happens.


Thanks for your information with regard to the use of a balanced isolation AC transformer such as the BPT. Fortunately the Lavricables utilize pure silver for their hot and neutral conductors (With identical quality and quantity). Silver plated copper is used for the ground wire.

Charles

@soix

Just to be clear my Coincident power cable has been replaced in their line with a newer version that has OCC copper and revised cable geometry. No doubt an improvement over my older generation (Yet excellent) cable. I have considered these latest Pure copper -OCC and imagine that they are truly excellent given their track record. Yet the allure of the silver beckons at less cost than the OCC Coincident (Who historically has always priced very fairly).

I just find that well implemented and good quality silver just seem to get the resolution, openess and tone/timbre so right!

Charles

@soix

So my audio system system is based upon a tube foundation. A Canadian brand, Coincident (Not sure if you are familiar with them). 300b SET mono blocks and Line stage which utilizes the 101D (DHT) tube. They aren’t what some may stereotype as “Tubey “. They strive for purity of sound/tonality and avoiding gratuitous coloration, but rather preserving the natural color and harmonics. In my opinion they have succeeded smashingly.

Their power cable adhere to the same goal , pure, transparent with minimal editorializing. Constructed with 6N copper and shielded. They have been my power cables since bought new in 2009 along with the sibling Coincident components. As mentioned previously, my Ocellia Reference speaker cable/IC are silver.

The current power cables are just wonderful.
But given my sheer satisfaction with the silver cables, I am very curious to experience silver power cables . Lavricables offers this opportunity for very reasonable cost of entry. So, here I go.

Very good quality shielded copper versus unshielded pure silver. I’ll admit that the Coincident copper power cables are truly satisfying (13 years).

Charles

 

 

@soix 

I will do so. The communication with Lavricables has been commendable, very prompt and informative. I placed my order this afternoon and added their 150-hour burn-in service. As you wrote above, I do also believe they are a maker of fine quality products and fly below the radar. I'll find out soon.

Charles

@soix

Thank you for your reply and I understand your situation with regard to making comparisons. I have found some impressions from other owners of Lavricables who concur with your experience.

Well made product.

Use of high quality silver.

Exceptional sound quality.

Given what I find to be a very reasonable price, I’m going to try their power cables and just listen. My Ocellia pure  silver speaker and IC cables have performed marvelously in my system for quite some time. I am sure their silver power cable is equally as good, but it’s quite expensive. So I’m willing to take a chance with the less costly Lavricables and see what happens. I also like the fact that they are unshielded, my Ocellia cables are unshielded  and I love what they do.

@lalitk

I’ll look out for your email.

Charles

@soix 

Hi,

Have you had the chance to compare your Lavicables and Acoustic Zen silver cables? I'm giving serious thought to trying the Lavicable Grand Line power cables. I'm set and content with my Ocellia Reference silver ICs and speaker cable. Given my success with these , now curious to try silver wired power cables.

Charles

@soix

Beautifully and maturely said. Come on gentlemen, let’s resist the insults and keep this thread off the too frequent (These days) thread deletion pathway.

Charles

@soix

Painting with the proverbial “broad brush” happens fairly regularly in discussions concerning High End audio. For example, “all tube amplifiers sound pretty much the same”.  Well, Audio Note, Audio Research, VAC and LAMM are tubed. Yet each is distinctly different from the others.

@roxy54

My impression as well. LavriCables seem worth further exploration. Forums like Audiogon are terrific for introducing products that some were completely unaware of (In this instance like me 🙂).

Charles

Just goes to show how listeners, audio systems and products vary. High quality silver cables in my experience are very open, transparent and yet very natural and consistently engaging. My Ocellia silver cables are the most organic and fluid cables I’ve owned. Utterly natural tonality and timbre.the antithesis of cool/uninvolved presentation. Truly horses for courses.

Charles

@guakus 

Thanks for posting. I'm unaware of this company but did visit their online site after reading your comments. I'm a strong proponent of high quality, well-made silver cables and these appear to meet those criteria. I have been interested in pure silver power cables (At reasonable cost) for a while.

My long time Ocelia Silver Reference ICs and speaker cables are not going anywhere. 🙂 I'll seek to learn more about this small cottage cable maker in Latvia. I do tend to gravitate to the smaller one-man operations driven by pure passion and love of music types.

Charles