How did we get from Nelson Pass to Joseph Stalin!
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That is because of the huge numbers killed by Stalin and Hitler in their massacres. If memory serves Stalin alone killed 30 million (average of estimates). Official estimate of total civilian deaths alone in WW II is 50-55 million. China alone reported 20 million deaths. If you throw in war related disease and famine the estimates get up around 80 million. |
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Son of a .....! I take my sister to the VA hospitals and clinics in Portland and Vancouver a few times a month---she was in the Navy, and is now partially-disabled. Ya’ll know the cuts in funding for services for working class people in the new federal budget proposal were put in to offset the tax cuts for the extremely wealthy, right? |
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Been through Woodstock many times, not a skier so I don’t notice that much. Woodstock is nice but like many Vermont towns a tourist trap . I owned a 300 acre tree-farm just north of Richford 3 miles from Canadian border, about 45 miles to Montreal . Most professional soldiers think Army is just a job and we got paid . Cheers |
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IMO Montreal is greatest city in North America and Ottawa is not far behind . I owned a tree farm not far from either in Vermont and spent a lot of time with some Canadian friends Most important thing I learned there, to me at least, was that Canadians are patriotic, Americans Nationalist . BIG difference . jetter, no knock on you at all, some people are more self-centered than others , takes all kinds . |
Montreal is where Ronnie Hawkins put together, one player at a time, many different incarnations of his backing band, The Hawks. The longest-lived of those was the one that included amongst it’s members Levon Helm, J.R. Robertson, Rick Danko, Richard Manual, and Garth Hudson. Never liking being someone else’s employee, at a certain point Levon suggested they go it alone. And so they did, first as The Canadian Squyers, then Levon & The Hawks, then just The Hawks, working with John Hammond Jr., and ultimately Bob Dylan, as his 1965-66 world tour road band. After a motorcycle accident laid him up, cancelling the next leg of the tour, Dylan brought them up to Woodstock, where he lived. There they found themselves a split-level rental-house with a basement in which to set-up, rehearse, and record. They spent 1967 doing all that, the recordings end up being called The Basement Tapes. Capitol Records offered The Hawks a record contract, and they spent late ’67/early ’68 recording their debut album in NYC and Los Angeles. They were also working on coming up with a new band name, The Hawks not sounding very contemporary. The were surprised when they saw the test pressings for the album, emblazened with a name someone else came up with, The Band. The release of that album, Music From Big Pink, absolutely rocked the music world, actually changing it’s trajectory. Eric Clapton heard it, said to himself, and I quote: "Music had been going in the wrong direction for a long time. When I heard it (MFBP), I thought to myself "Well, someone’s finally gone and done it right." He disbanded Cream, perhaps the biggest band in the world, going to Woodstock to hang with The Band, waiting, as he now laughs, for them to ask him to join. It eventually dawned on him they didn’t need him, so he went looking for someone to play "real" music with, as a hired gun. He joined Delaney & Bonnie’s band, where he met all the guys he ended up picking to be in his subsequent band, Derek & The Dominoes. It’s so funny that the whole "Americana" movement is traced back to the recording of those basement tapes, music played by a band containing four Canadians---Levon Helm is from Chicken Scratch (seriously!) Arkansas, Dylan from of course Hibbing Minnesota. A Pass amp, or any other great piece of gear you can name, would be nice to have to listen to Music From Big Pink through, but listening to it, really listening to it, is what it takes to "get it". Getting it can be done through a boombox, it just takes a little more work! |
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Who cares Jetter about your Uncle or draft status during Vietnam, I was lucky too, the lottery in '69 remember? My number was 327 like the short block Chevy engine, one of my favorites, so what? I lost a uncle one of the first casualties of the Battle of the Bulge, his photo is in the link below, T3 James McGee http://www.battleofthebulgememories.be/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=519:the-... No one questions your loyalty to this country Jetter but your "waive their little pinkie in the air" comment was too much for me to remain quiet. That "badge" of loyalty is just phony baloney to me. I lost 6 close friends in Vietnam, guys I grew up with some going back to grade school. Not to mention the one's that were irreparably damaged from their service and the crap that they faced from the "left" anti-war protesters of that era, many of the SAME folks that are "conservatives" today. It's funny how personal economic conditions can assuage political positions over time. It ISN'T political, it's real people that are suffering and the politicians are just bought and sold by special interests. Anyone that can't or don't recognize or get caught up in the "false" narrative that many of these folks brought it on themselves OR that each man is an island to himself "what you reap, and so shall you sow" is, well I wish them well and hope they never have to go through what folks that have truly suffered have and do. |
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You may want to know what you're speaking of before posting Jetter. If I RECALL correctly Schubert served as an infantryman during the Vietnam War. While I certainly don't agree with all his comments I certainly respect HIM more than those that started conflicts that NEVER served. Before this thread unravels and goes down a rabbit hole I might suggest we don't ascribe intentions or LABELS to those who's views don't reflect our own without knowing that person. |
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Tubegroover, Hi, no problem, we are just 2 people with different outlooks and opinion. You and bdp24 see things one way and I another. Fox news may be an issue for you all but not for me. Conversely you two may relate more to CNN/MsNBC etc, not for me. Obviously they appeal to very different groups, so something for everyone. I understand that and accept the reality that people can and will have polar perspectives and belief systems/foundations. It’s just life. For example I was once a N.Y.Times subscriber and an avid listener of NPR, people change (sometimes LOL). There will always be a left/right -progressive/conservative dividing line and of course those who are somewhere in the middle. It’s the human condition. Oops! This is suppose to be about Pass Labs XS amps LOL. Charles |
Well Charles I respect your opinion but I think plenty of good has come from both the Great Society and the New Deal. Seniors have better access to health care and aren’t living in abject poverty with much shorter life spans as they were before. If we eliminate these programs, or dramatically scale them back as many want, I feel in ALL fairness that all Government provided pension and health care plans including Military be eliminated/scaled back accordingly as well, that means you too Congress. Let’s REALLY drain the swamp and quit pussy footing around. The point is that people want what they say they don’t it’s just they either don’t want to pay, they pay too much or someone else should. Another common theme is to find a scapegoat, welfare mothers for example. In other words, plenty of opinions with few facts and understanding. Bdp24 your story about your brother in law is just so typical. I have a brother in law who does listen but has a very Military perspective, his father is a retired full bird. We’ve had some interesting discussions and I like him but we think very differently. There is one thing however he is bound by, his racism and xenophobia which he was carefully taught from childhood, he really can’t help himself. "You’ve got to be carefully taught" check out the song from the Roger’s and Hammerstein’s "South Pacific". Amazing how relevant it is to this day. After all this is an audio site so he should at least attempt to keep the conversation somewhat relevant! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAZ8yOFFbAc |
Actually Charles, it really began with Roosevelt’s New Deal, which was a massive undertaking, at great cost, to save the U.S. from the great Depression. Republicans/Conservatives have been trying to erase it since the 1950’s! tubegroover, my sister had a husband (now deceased) who was blind, the result of at a young age picking up a blasting cap on the farm he grew up on in Oregon. On one drive into Portland my sister commented on some new bike lanes which had been installed on some streets (bikes are huge in Portland--odd with all the rain), which outraged him. "Why should I have to pay for them?" was his comment, for the obvious reason. I was tempted to ask him why other taxpayers should have to pay for the public High School his 20-year old was still going to. The kid was on his third try at making it through his senior year. The husband was a very loud, argumentative, opinionated watcher of a certain cable TV news station (I better not name it---might ruffle the censor’s feathers). There was no such thing as a civil discussion with the guy. Don’t miss him at all, especially as was also not nice to my sister. |
Tubegroover, I as well thought the attempted analogy of minors exploited and forced into sex trafficking compared to financially able adults engaging in perfectly legal retail purchasing/commerce was a poor one. Since the advent of the Johnson era "Great Society " trillions of dollars have been spent and redistributed with sadly little to show for this massive effort. After 5 decades of this experience I believe that enough data sampling is available to judge the benefits honestly. Charles |
"We all have a stake in what each other does. It's the basis of
family, community, nationality and ultimately humanity. No man's an
island." I agree with this statement on a personal level. Unfortunately not everyone sees things as we bleeding hearts do Onhwy61, it is an idealistic view. My point was as a simple transaction, between two parties what is the problem? One could make a similar comment regarding a component or product that is a fraction of the 85K figure above, say 5K, would it then be an issue? It certainly would be just as unreachable or unrealistic a price to pay for the vast majority of people on this planet. Your point about a sexual transaction between a 13 year old child and an adult is immoral and illegal and is not equivalent in any way to a sales transaction of an 85K amp between two adults. So far as drugs being legal, I just wonder how much more effective our resources would be if we spent the money on educationing our children on the perils of drug use, a plan similar but expanded to the "just say no" campaign of the 80's. Where is the leadership? To your greater point Bdp24 the unfortunate fact of our Republic and the democracy at large is that folks often come to the point that they don't want to pay for the benefits provided for all, time to drain that swamp! Often their views are skewed by special interest forces that have a completely unrelated agenda. Many would rather be an island, it gives them a sense of control in a world that gradually seems to be losing it's bearings. Why should a wealthy person that can afford any health care plan he chooses or afford to send his child to any school he wants be obligated to pay for the inefficiencies of what is currently available? It seems history, economics and ethics might be additional required classes for all of us. It is just remarkable the degree of ignorance in our wealthy nation and it seemingly is getting worse. When almost 50% of the adult population can not name at least one Supreme Court Justice how can they possibly understand the importance of the Supreme Court in our system of Government? PS Onhwy61 to your question about arms an drugs why shouldn't a private citizen, by rights provided by the 2nd amendment, be permitted to purchase any weapon he chooses? Why not an M60, why should we be limited? |
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I sometimes share the bandstand with a piano player who is a hardcore Libertarian. I actually truly respect that political bent---limited government (including the lack of laws prohibiting personal behavior greatly disapproved of by many Conservatives---drugs, prostitution, etc.---at least publicly ;-), fiscal responsibility, etc. If you want government to do as little as possible, Libertarianism is the way. But I don’t think that’s what most Americans actually want. As one published author recently opined, "We’re all Socialists now". To one degree or another, though Conservatives won’t admit it. By the way, that piano player is also a Scientologist. Weird, ay?! |
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If a business can convince a person to exchange his money for a product who should care but the two parties involved in the transaction?In a purely economic sense this statement would only be true in an economy with unlimited resources. It doesn't really apply to a crowded small rocky planet circling a medium mass star. And then there are the moral questions. Should a 13 year child be able to sell their bodies to adults for sexual purposes? It only effects the two parties, right? If one dictator wanted to sell weaponized nerve gas to another dictator, is it still viewed as a closed, private party transaction? Why can't cocaine and other narcotics simply be sold on street corners? If someone wants to buy it and someone wants to sell it, it should be okay with everybody else? We all have a stake in what each other does. It's the basis of family, community, nationality and ultimately humanity. No man's an island. |
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I agree tubegroover, Audiogon should be a politics-free zone. I myself would not start such a discussion, but once it’s going..... My use of the term Trumpster was a while back, not in this thread. Yes, the term is disrespectful---I do believe he has earned it. Ask anyone who lives in New York! At any rate, I shall refrain from engaging in any such discussion in the future, no matter how provoked. I did find it odd that someone apparently so enamored of Reagan would not know how to spell his name! |
If I recall correctly Bdp24 you referred to the President as the "Trumpster" a clear sign of disrespect, you should be more careful with your words :^). If your post was removed as somehow being inappropriate for this forum, I hope mine is as well. Political discussion is not and SHOULD not be permitted on this forum, audio subjects only. I do stand by my comments regarding my respect for Charles as an all around good guy and Bigkidz for pointing out to others that might not consider the excellent points he made about a business pricing it’s products. As far as the price of products and whether it is fair or reasonable, the point of the op’s original question I am totally neutral. If a business can convince a person to exchange his money for a product who should care but the two parties involved in the transaction? My points about social and financial inequity in this country and the seemingly lack of concern from some corners regarding this indisputable fact have nothing to do with the question originally asked but might be by some considered related. |