Oppo 105 D vs. DAC-transport combination.


To my great dismay, the more I listen, I’m finding my Oppo 105 is outperforming a very well thought of DAC and transport combination for which I paid 3x the price.  Basically the sound stage is wider and better defined.
Both the DAC and transport are less than a year old.  I thought I was upgrading.
Played by itself, the DAC-transport combo sounds great.  Until I compare it to the Oppo. 
I can’t understand it!
rvpiano

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Have you tried using the Oppo as a transport for the Gumby?  How did that sound compared to to the Oppo by itself?  If you have already mentioned this I apologize but I didn’t see it.
@audioengr   
I don’t follow your reasoning.  The OP wasn’t complaining about the Oppo.  He preferred it to the Cyrus/Schiit combo.  How will reducing jitter in his preferred component change this perception?
@melm 
sorry the Oppo 105 didn’t come close to sounding like your vinyl.  Perhaps if Oppo had figured out a way to compress their dynamic range, add speed instability and most importantly simulate the sound of frying bacon superimposed on the music, then they would still be making players
@melm 
stick and stones....Just out of curiosity, what is the “quality of the musical experience “ that you missed with the Oppo compared with vinyl?  I will assume that it isn’t the joy of cleaning dust bunnies from your stylus, or the tactile pleasure of hearing the walls of the Lp groove being shredded by the sewing needle attached to the cartridge.  Is it the limited dynamic range of lp playback compared to digital that floats your boat?  Personally, if I want to listen to Music with restricted dynamic range, I opt for MP3, because at least it’s quieter.  But hey, enjoy.
@noble100 
Thank you for the kind words...at least you perceived that I was attempting to be humorous.  And I agree with you that the gift of music emerging from a silent background is something to be treasured.  Vinyl aficionados apparently prefer some of the background noise inherent to lp replay, and isn’t it great that we listeners are able to choose for ourselves which option we prefer?
@rvpiano Don’t be shocked that the Oppo bested Cyrus ( a product that I have no direct experience with).  Oppos are well engineered machines, and just because another product is more expensive doesn’t make it better. Oppos have been known to be terrific values 

excellent post, Tim  saved me a lot of trouble as I have been tied up the last couple of days and wanted to make these same points.  Odds are you made them in a more cogent manner than I would have.

   I was so ready to drop lps when CDs came out.  I was just so frustrated at the poor quality of the vinyl, the constant vigilance required to prevent deterioration of the record, and a host of other factors.  15 seconds of CD listening, to Colin Davis conducting Debussy Image For Orchestra, converted me for life.   Even on a 14 bit CDP, which I used for the first 12 years or so of the format until the laser bagged it, had such an expanded dynamic range and such quieter backgrounds that I was hooked.  At the same time my lps were trashed in a house flood, and lps were disapearing from shops in the mid 80s, so the switch was painless.

  Around 2000 used lp stores began springing up.  The one part of vinyl that I really missed was reading the liner notes on lps of classical albums while I shopped.  I began hanging out in the stores for that reason and I began to realize that many of my favorite lps had not bee ndigitalized at that time, and wouldn't it be fun to be able to play them?  I bought the low end Project player of the day and the nreunited with a handful of albums.  Then the vinyl propaganda, sponsored by the likes of Fremer and Dudley began, and I upgraded my vinyl font end, although CDs were still my preferred source.

  3 years ago I began to realize that ll of the lps that hadn't been digitalized around 2000 now were, either in CDs or cD quality downloads and occasionally in high resolution.  Every single time I compared the digital version to one of the lps the digital one, and there was no speed instability, surface noise, static electricity, etc.

  So I sold my vinyl rig, which by now consisted of th Clearaudio Concept mc tt and cartridge, and a Musical Surroundings Phono  Pre Amp.  I had paid about $2500 for the vinyl front end and got about 90% of back, thanks to the vinyl revival.  I used the proceeds to buy a Bluesound Vault2 and node2 and have been very happy.

   I think that for people who have large lp collections, left over from the heyday of the lp, or alternatively have inherited one (as we boomers age, a more frequent event), and who let their lp playback system elapse, it makes sense to want to buy a tt and be able to enjoy the records.  If someone is coming to it from having no physical media at all, I don't understand why they would want to go the vinyl route, but given the pro vinyl propaganda out there, perhaps that is the reason.

   @glupson.   
Sorry I missed your post a few weeks ago, but I couldn’t agree with you more.  I currently play my SACDS by outputting the DSD layer from my Oppo 105 over HDMI into a Bryston DAC3 in 2 channel, and it’s superb.  Comparison with lps?
Puh-leeze.  I have to start learning to restrain myself when someone says lps are more holographic, or whatever.  With my SACDs I frequently feel as if the musicians are in the same space.  With vinyl I feel that they are embedded in wax and simultaneously drowning in a bowl of Rice Krispies.

melm

  I use an Oppo 105 and I disagree that it sounds inferior to the same discs burned to a HD.  When I listen to those same discs burned to my NAS, using the Network function of the Oppo, and switch from disc to NAS, at best, the NAS sounds equal to disc playback, and frequently the NAS sounds just a bit worse.
i won’t be throwing out my CDs now after I burn them.  Ymmv