New 'Vinyl Flat' flattener?

No negative effects that I can hear. The Band's Rock of Ages (2nd LP) is in the flattener now. I'll try and post some short video of before and after.

After flattening, is there any negative effect on the sonics of the album? In other words, is there detectable groove damage?

I tried mine out today with the pouch. 5 hours heating time and a couple of cooling hours. Pretty severe edge warp gone in a new pressing of Lucinda Williams "West" which all four copies I tried were next to unplayable. So far, so good.

Picked mine up last night, free next business day delivery from Texas to NY. Well packed (but no fancy retail packaging which would just add to the cost) , and much heavier than I expected. I havent had a chance to test it yet. Somewhere around I have an album bought new a couple of years ago, that was so warped and rippled, it was completely unplayable. I'm gonna round that one up and put it to the test in the next few days and will report back. Certainly on first blush it appears a well-made device for the $$$, and they shipped immediate.

Got my VinylFlat/Groovy Pouch combo today! Did my initial test on a copy of Eagles The Long Run that would launch the stylus out of the groove on the outer cut. Followed the instructions and four hours later the album is about as flat as I could ask for - only minor vertical movement of the cartridge and tonearm on each revolution.

So, this is a product that garners my full support and recommendations!

Thanks for the head's up Doc. I have ordered the package/bundle and it's shipping today.

I got an e-mail from John Martindale to say the pouch is available and shipping, so I have ordered one. Since I am due in two weeks to acquire another two boxes (each box is ~ 100 LPs) of the record collection I am inheriting piecemeal, I kind of hope one of them will be warped! None have been as yet, but there are 900 more classical LPs to come. They have taught me to love the Nonesuch label.

Anyone tried this with *really* warped records?

I have the Vinyl Flat record flattener and love it. Its all to easy to get the records dead flat. The product is very well made and thought out.

I think the instructions err on the side of caution as I have also experimented with not so valuable records leaving them in the heat for longer than first recommended - no problems at all.

The choices to expertly flatten records are Furutech at $2000 or Vinyl Flat at under $100. I can't believe anyone needs to even think about it!

Dang. They're now saying another 3 weeks with customs involvement. They must be having the pouch made you-know-where, which might explain the reasonable pricing (although some cough cough grcoughant fidelity might pocket that)....

Due to manufacturing problems the pouch will not be available until the end of Sept.

I have an LP purchased new a couple of years back that was unplayable it was so full of ripples. It'll be the first to hit mine once I get it....

The listening test will provide the complete answer, THANKS!!!

Perfect result second time around! It's up next for a go on the turntable.

This disc had a short but profound deformation involving about 15 degrees of arc. It was about half gone after the first go. I repeated the treatment and it is cooling again now.

Chris

First disc is in the (calibrated) oven now. I'll let you know in 80 minutes how it went.

Chris

Also, waiting on the pouch before I purchase.

I'm waiting for the pouch to become available as well. Excited that there's an affordable option out there now!

I'm in NS. I've got three discs ready to try it on - I'll let you know how it goes.

Chris

Hi drmoss_ca, will appreciate your view on how well it works. I am waiting until the pouch is available, and no time really to spin vinyl much right now anyway. Are you in the GTA area, I'm in Burlington, ON? Nice system you have....

One of these devices shipped in my direction today; the Decca London Reference rides so close to the vinyl surface that a bit of a warp can throw the cartridge halfway across the disk. Can't have that.

When management of a company catering to audiofools actually encourages you to hold off on your purchase and take advantage of an upcoming package deal, it sorta reinforces (to me at least) that they're in if for the long haul, so I have no doubt it will be well made.

So cool thanks!!

Does not look to well made.

Zaikesman,

Mfr says the pouch will be available mid September and they will offer bundled pricing.

I've always been too chickensh*t to try that with a valued record...

. . . so was I, but I had one record with the edge so warped I couldn't play the first 2 tracks. It was possible to find a replacement, but would have cost. I tried a less valued record first, and then the one I really wanted to fix. There's no evidence anything was ever done to it (ie the warp, or the fix) .

I've always been too chickensh*t to try that with a valued record...

somewhere in the archives here there is a discussion of how to flatten warped LP's using your oven and 2 pieces of glass. I bought 2 granite tiles at Home Depot (the shiny finished ones, and follow that procedure: heat oven to 200deg, place LP between 2 (room temp) tiles, turn oven off, set the tiles w/LP in the oven and leave it there for several hrs. Remove and test . . .

I've done 2 LP's and had perfect results. Cost me $12 I think for the tiles.

I looked at the website about a week ago, decided to hold off until they come out with the promised 7" adapter and the pouch, then I'll probaby bite (even though I'd guess that out of several thousand records in my collection, I'd only have occasion to use it on maybe a hundred or two at most, and of those I could probably count on both hands the few that are actually unplayable as-is).

Will the Groovy Rings mis-shaped after prolong use??

Incorrect. That was the price quoted yesterday for the 'pouch'. The flatener is $79.95, $50 less than the dealer ad on Agon. $59.95 quoted for the pouch, price not showing on their website yet. $80 for that flattener? Clearly these guys are not out to steal, well done on them.

The price has gone up, from the $60 you were quoted: (http://www.vinylflat.com/index.html)

Thanks gents and Benjie for the review. The dealer ad that was on here has since been pulled, maybe because they were listing it at around +$50 to the mfrs website price. I wrote to the mfr about availability of the pouch and John Martindale got back within an hour to say it'll be $60 and available mid-september. I'll probably wait, I'm oven-challenged. but I'll definitely buy it. I have 3000+ lps, even a small ripple can defeat the seal on my vacuum SOTA.

I know outer rings don't work well on some TT's, especially suspended designs. That said, if you do like the sound of an outer ring on your TT, there is no need to flatten records as the ring will do it in all but the very worst cases. YMMV.

Ya it's pretty bad when you drop x amount of money and the shipping cost x amount and a record shows up either warped or dished. The friggen shipping cost depending on where it's coming from can quickly eat up money fast so depending on the specific pce sometimes I feel it's not really worth returning.

I have been looking at the Furutech flatener for a while now but because of the cost of over $2K I just feel it's too exspensive.

When this came out it does look very interesting but waiting for the heating bag to come out because I have no interest in using my oven, if it works will most likely be on my list to purchase.

Does anyone know when the heating bag is scheduled to be available.

I guess I've been lucky...

How do you get warped records?

I don't know about you, Stringreen, but both my used and new LP retailers provide them @ no extra charge ;~) In fact, it's the flat ones that cost extra, since you have to return the bloody things a half-dozen times to get a one that isn't warped !!! As I remember (not so sure; it was late 60s when I started buying lots of LPs) it has always been that way.

How do you get warped records? I live in the middle of the desert in sunny, hot, Scottsdale, Arizona. I store my records in the garage that goes to 120 or so, yet, I don't have warps in the records. I store them on shelves in an upright position, and they have been fine.