New KLE Innovations XLR Cable

I forget cousin/brother @yping should know and can reveal?

Is there news on how the KLE Innovations Neutrik XLR has been modified as reported above?  I checked website and find nothing. And apart from one indifferent review I can find nothing else about this.  Very disappointing as I said before.  Are KLE Innovations going to develop an XLR that matches the Copper Harmony?

I look forward to revelation.

ypingping - RE:...

What is specification for special KLEI Neutrik XLRs?

All will be revealed in time - we'll just have to wait and see :-)

Regards - Steve

So same question remains. Mr Wonka says: "A simple email to KLE Innovations revealed that Neutrik actually built the XLR plugs to KLE Innovations spec. "
Simple question may be asked. Is this true honest statement? What is specification for special KLEI Neutrik XLRs?

This is question needs to be answered. Everything else is sounding made up.

Sigh!  KLEI need to establish that they have Neutrik XLR built to spec especially for them, and state what specs are.  Not just Mr Wonka doing special PR for this company like always.   Please, I think you should read review you post again. It is quite ordinary.  Nobody respond with interest.  Review was lacking confidence in product.  

Where is evidence KLEI Neutrik is special XLR when all other evidence suggests it is not.  This all sound made up, same as our favorite movie: "Willie Wonka and Chocolate Factory" - make believe. Why can we not ask why ultra high end company as advertised uses Neutrik XLRs when same company has made quality RCAs? Why do this?

Where is @yping ? His view would be interesting?  KLEI are his favorite company.  Like Mr Wonka he posts many reviews.  I hear from friend JKG he does not discuss because he is embarrassed favorite company does not use ultra high end XLRs. 

ypingping - you misinterpret my posts...

These response from Mr. Wonka confuse me. First Neutrik XLRs are specially modified for KLEI by Neutrik. Now it seems that Neutrik plugs are very good anyway, and justified as audiophile XLR.

What I said above is

Looking at the neutrik web site will reveal that several models of their plugs do use silver pated pins - granted with a nickel substrate.

Then I go on to identify a plug that does not use a nickel substrate, just silver plate on brass pins, which should perform better than those having silver plate with Nickel substrate

So your statement below is not completely accurate and very misleading because people may chose to believe the plugs on the KLEI cables are of a lower quality as you infer in prior posts.

worried like me about Neutriks with nickel and brass in their construction

As it turns out Neutrik does in fact produce higher quality plugs using better materials that may be better suited to high end audio purposes - I did NOT say they were suitable as an Audiophile XLR

As for this statement from Neutrik via JKG...

But some news from friend, JKG. He emails Neutrik, and they nicely respond to him: "Thank you for contacting Neutrik. Performance of any connector is normally highly dependent on the cable carrying the signal. With that being said, I am not aware of any modifications to our XLR for better performance.

Any company contracting another company to build items to their spec will have them sign a nondisclosure agreement, preventing them from commenting on their specific build. So I doubt very much that the information above which JKG received was specific to KLEI related products, but more a general statement about Neutrik’s own product line.

Anyhow - I think we have beaten this topic to death but here are the facts as we KNOW them
- KLE Innovations uses "some model" of connector built to spec by Neutrik
- do either of us know the specific metallurgy used in those plugs? - NO WE DO NOT!
- do the cables using them get a good review from an independent party - it would appear so

Casting Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt (FUD) is a ploy used to discredit a product based on no actual "EVIDENCE"

I will end this post by simply asking readers to make their own judgement about the content in all of the above posts and come to their own conclusions about KLE Innovations quality and integrity
- YES, KLEI have had issues with statement on their web site in the past - this has been fixed for approximately 2 years - I think we should move on.

From MY perspective, I have auditioned lots of KLE Innovations products and found them to perform significantly better than products from some ot the BIG NAMES in the industry, such as Kimber Kable, Cardas and even Nordost, who I regard very highly.

Based on my observations of KLE Innovations products I would have to believe the observations posted in the review below are accurate

Here is a review of the cable - again
https://www.stereo.net.au/forums/topic/290706-klei-qflow7-xlrs-and-classic-banana-review/

Regards - Steve

From Mr. Wonka above: "A simple email to KLE Innovations revealed that Neutrik actually built the XLR plugs to KLE Innovations spec. "
Simple question may be asked. Is this true honest statement?  What is specification for special KLEI Neutrik XLRs?

These response from Mr. Wonka confuse me. First Neutrik XLRs are specially modified for KLEI by Neutrik.  Now it seems that Neutrik plugs are very good anyway, and justified as audiophile XLR.  This is good, but why then KLEI make the Harmony RCAs?  Why not use Neutrik RCAs for ultra high end?  Because, I think, Copper Harmony and Absolute Harmony are better than Neutrik RCAs.  So where is better XLR for ultra high end? 

But some news from friend, JKG.  He emails Neutrik, and they nicely respond to him:  "Thank you for contacting Neutrik. Performance of any connector is normally highly dependent on the cable carrying the signal. With that being said, I am not aware of any modifications to our XLR for better performance. Normally users use solder as the means of connecting the cable and our connectors."  But, perhaps, he speak to wrong person?

@ypingping - WRT...

worried like me about Neutriks with nickel and brass in their construction

I assume you are talking about the important part - the pins?

Looking at the neutrik web site will reveal that several models of their plugs do use silver pated pins - granted with a nickel substrate.

Except for this one...
https://www.neutrik.com/en/product/nc3mx-bag

It uses Silver plating directly onto brass (no Nickel) so it should provide better performance than the other models

Here is a review of the cable
https://www.stereo.net.au/forums/topic/290706-klei-qflow7-xlrs-and-classic-banana-review/

Seems they are quite taken by it
 
Regards - Steve

"A simple email to KLE Innovations revealed that Neutrik actually built the XLR plugs to KLE Innovations spec."  This is interesting!  What is spec?  Would be good to hear more about this? 

Well. yes, KLEI does not re-invent the wheel with XLRs, maybe?  But we have very good XLRs available already:  Xhadow, ETI Kryo, Abbatron - all use higher quality conductive materials than Neutrik.  So what mod does KLEI do to improve the Neutriks? 

Sadly yping, other Ping brother has not commented. I think he does not hear this cable yet - worried like me about Neutriks with nickel and brass in their construction.  But maybe when we hear about improvements, it is different story.  Perhaps modified Neutriks use tellurium copper with silver plating?

@maxima95 - A simple email to KLE Innovations revealed that Neutrik actually built the XLR plugs to KLE Innovations spec. 

So perhaps they were not as "cheap" as the original poster "suggested" ?

And if I could find that out, why couldn't the PingPing brothers?

From that perspective, KLE Innovations are smart - why build a completely new plug when you can have a reputable company like Neutrik make a plug to your spec. After all developing a new plug would be much more expensive, so the savings are passed on to the consumer.

As for propaganda machine ...
- yes I have provided lots of positive feedback about KLE Innovations products, mainly because I have used a number of their connectors and cables for prolonged periods and found them to provide outstanding performance, 
- I have also raved about many other products from other manufacturers I have found to provide outstanding performance - so I guess those comments are propaganda also?
- based on my observations,  I decided to pass on my findings via this forum. I thought it would be helpful, not propaganda.

So you see, I do not see my postings as propaganda - I see them as providing a valuable information service on the performance of the various products I have used or reviewed, passed to the members of Audiogon.

My apologies - no was offense intended - Steve

Steve - Your post is also very interesting - and misguided.

1. Neither poster said (or implied) that the cable didn't sound good.  How could they?  They didn't.

They did say - and I agree  - that it is disappointing that a company that has produced innovative and good sounding RCA connectors has elected to use a Neutrik connector.

By the way, how much does this cable cost?  I could not find a price on the website.   You have to contact them to get a price?

2. Further, there was no post attempting to persuade people NOT to try the cable.  Perhaps such a post exists in your mind.

Further, your conclusion that the poster is  -  a competitor trying to sway people's opinion away from this product - is reckless at best.  Is there evidence (facts?) that he is?

Despite the numerous, excessive (have they reached 100? Or are there more?) posts on forums defending and lauding this company, it is the ultimate irony for you to criticize, and recklessly form conclusions about someone based upon a few posts.

You continue to be a propaganda machine for this company.  

To other people reading this thread, both of the above posts are both very interesting...

I have to ask - Has either of you actually tried these cables???

If not - then exactly what is your motive in slamming a cable you have not tried ?

If you have tried them - then how do they compare to other well known brands of cables?

Did either of you bother to find out whether the XLR connectors were in fact one of Neutrik’s cheaper XLR connectors?

Perhaps Nuetrik is making a custom spec’d cable just for KLE Innovations - did you ask KLE Innvations that?

Also - If KLE Innovations had used a more expensive connector would they then be accused by "the Ping Ping Brothers" of using high priced connectors just to entice audiophiles to purchase their cables?

Granted, KLE Innovations web site literature has caused some "debate" on Audiogon in the past, but they have corrected that.

Ypingping - It’s interesting that many of your posts contain negative comments about KLE Innovations products.

So it seems that this thread serves no other purpose than to persuade people NOT to try them and it smacks of a competitor trying to sway peoples opinion away from this product.

Are you a competitor ?

I hope I’m wrong, but if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

Regards - Steve

Agreed.