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Shipping weight inside their crates is 1,100 lbs...
Shipping weight inside their crates is 1,100 lbs...
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Whoa, whoa, whoa - WC, you’re a weightlifter! You know in converting kg to lbs you can’t just double 550 to get 1,100! You gotta put it through the calculator and get 1,212 lb. If you set a new world record and successfully squatted 550kg you wouldn’t want them to report it as you squatted about 1100 lb! C’mon man! ; ) |
Only question at this point is "Wenge" or "Violin Red." I say "Wenge" |
Actually....doing the math on the list of speakers and the total weight (including crates) of 1,100lbs, the only other speaker on that list that would fit would be the Magico M6. A pair of M6's =780lbs. 1,100lbs - 780lbs = 320lbs / 2 = 160lbs per wood crate. Jay has had (2) M3's in the last couple of years so the next logical step within the Magico line would be the M6. |
Amplification: I am close to finalizing the deal on my next amps. I just need to see if i need an electrician first. It will be a shock for many of you if i end up with these amps I’m negotiating... Another hint on the speakers: Very little feedback from end users when it comes to these speakers and many dealers don't display it. Chances are you all haven't seen it in person. |
Jay, may I get your thoughts on the following? 1) Boulder 866 or Gryphon Diablo 300 for difficult loudspeaker loads. Would the Boulder be better suited to warm speakers and the Gryphon to neutral speakers? Would either be better for electrostats vs Magnepan vs dynamic loudspeakers? Would either drive low impedances better? 2) Would the Luxman 590AXII be better than either the Boulder or Luxman for easy to drive loudspeakers? Thanks. |
inna , it was already said by WC that he would bring in more affordable gear to show and learn how it compares to the ultra reference products. WC has experienced a lot of the cream up there, so he is best placed to tell and show how more affordable amp, preamps, and speakers compare...what are the differences ...what you give up or what you get if you go down or up the ladder. |
No, Jay, you win. And I never criticized you for bringing in top level stuff. I understand the idea to experiment with top level preamp and various levels amps, and the other way around. But in this case I thought it was too far apart. Besides, Boulder and Pass have so different sound signatures, they don't compliment each other but contradict each other. |
Boulder 2110 can make just about any amplifier sing. You are assuming here by saying boulder 2110 doesn't sound good with pass. I can assure you that you can use this 2110 with any amplifier regardless of price and it will squeeze the most performance out of such amplifier. Remember, a well designed preamp can almost turn an average amp into a great amp. A well designed amp can't turn an average preamp into a great preamp. The preamp carries a bigger responsibility than the amp. Of course having the best of both components is the best way to go. |
I’ve heard the M6 twice before but i haven’t spent enough time with them to have an opinion. I’m assuming it has to be a superior experience in comparison to anything I’ve had here but it is big money... My dream would be a shootout of the new alexx V versus mágico m6... Ugh that would be amazing. I’d pay to go into a private setting to hear them both battle it out. That said, they are so different in many ways. Having owned mágico m3 and Alexx, both do something special and it becomes a matter of what you want to hear. The precision of the mágico is superior to the Alexx but the alexx throw a much larger presentation than the m3. It pretty much swallows the m3 whole. Wilson has "a thing" that captures you when set up properly but mágico m series are special as well. They just disappear in the room and you can’t quite locate them. Tonally, you have to first look in the mirror and figure out what kind of personality you are. If you prefer to sleep in the country where you hear birds, cows , chicken etc or do you prefer to sleep in the city where you can hear traffic at night and all the movement around you? Wilson is quite musical reminding me a lot of Luxman and mágico reminds me more of gryphon and boulder to a certain extent. Mágico has precision which is a synonym for accuracy, fidelity, faithfulness, nicety, rigor but it is also something that isn't easily understood because very few can reach it. Do you remember that one kid in your class that raised his hand and answered all questions that the teacher asked and got each question right ? Didn't you all kinda hated the kid plus he was also annoying as hell ? Wilson is less perfect. It is like that pretty woman that wears makeup and looks stunning but without it not so much? Yet, we don't care because she is pretty to us even with imperfections plus she's fun and has a great personality. |
I very much enjoyed the last video (Round 1: Pass labs XA60.8 with Nordost Odin Speaker cables & Boulder 2110). I decided to cue up the same song ’Liberty’ with a previous video (Dan D Agostino Versus Gryphon Mephisto!). This is a very good back and forth to do because everything (components, cabling, preamp etc...) was the same. I listened back and forth between these two presentations and immediately heard the differences....Yeah I realize there is a 40k+ difference in retail price between the Mephisto stereo amp and the Pass Labs 60.8 monos. I think the thing that stuck out the most for me was the noise floor between the two presentations. 3/4 of the way through ’Liberty’ when the sax comes in I found myself turning down the volume on the Pass presentation...not so with the Mephisto. The Pass mono’s had a thicker warmer (a little unnatural for me) sound. Also balance was different. Sound effects, piano, percussion and sax seemed to be more pronounced with the Pass amps where the Mephisto was a more even sounding recording. When Anette Askvik harmonized (second vocal track) with the melody (first vocal track) the separation was so clear...together yet separate through the Mephisto it just sounded so right. Through the 60.8’s you can hear it but nowhere near the refinement of the Mephisto. I know I am probably in the minority but I prefer the Mephisto to the Boulders. The Mephisto is so forceful yet so delicate and refined. The Pass mono’s were definitely elevated by Jay’s system and what a bargain for the price. What a great exercise this was to pair these amps with a system they would most likely never see. All of these videos have really opened my eyes to what I believe would suit me best. I have a clear idea of what my next speakers will be, same with amps....thanks Jay. |
You are probably right but I will wait until I get the speakers I'm thinking of upgrading to before I decide. The Essence is 50wpc vs 250wpc for the Taurus and 150wpc (1161) and 300wpc (1160) for the Boulders. Not sure the output differences would be a big deal with my room, the music I listen to and the low to moderate levels I listen at. Also I have not heard the Constellation Taurus and would like to. |
Constellation and Gryphon is awesome. Very different sound however. I have rarely found a person who has had gryphon amps and replaced it with something else. I did the switch simply because I had the opportunity but make no mistake that gryphon and boulder will come back but maybe a different mode such as essence monos or boulder 2160 etc. I want to try the different models. I was close to pulling the trigger on gryphon essence monos and then i changed complete directions. |
Many posts criticize the Pass as being to warm or thick-Again this has a lot to do with the system you are using especially the loudspeakers. The attached video although using pass160.8’s have tremendous clarity detail dynamics and sound staging which is attributable to the fact there is no crossover in the speakers.A lot of amplifiers on the market are designed to overcome the shortcomings of the crossovers and the conventional cone drivers that are used store energy. Additionally, most box speakers store energy in the cabinet no matter how well designed which will in turn exhibit asymmetrical waveforms. https://youtu.be/ze4Enfzt9CE |
No way. I think, Gryphon sound is much closer to reality. Near top level. In my view, ultimately Gryphon loses to Boulder but it has great sound. As for D'Agostino, it is more complicated to me. Yes, I would take Boulder over it any day and yet, though Gryphon sound is closer to Boulder sound than D'Agostino, I would take D'Agostino over Gryphon. D'Agostino is closer to my preferred tube sound than any other SS. In other words, talking separates, with Gryphon I would be somewhere in the middle. Some will call it a great compromise and take Gryphon. I understand that, no objection. But for me - no, either Boulder or D'Agostino. Diablo integrated - great value, great sound, within financial reach of many audiophiles. I will perhaps exaggerate a little. Speaking top level separates. Gryphon - macho style, no true confidence. Boulder - true confidence, not imposing, tremendous lead of speakers. Unlike Gryphon that grabs them but does not lead them. |
Those are speakers that have never made it to WC’s room despite faxer’s pandering on this thread. Just ignore it - faxer, nobody cares. Please stop posting videos of those speakers on this thread, this is at least the third time. Take a hint. This is a thread about equipment worthy of WC’s room. Viber begged for attention for those speakers the last time you posted a video and basically everybody yawned. I don’t think even one person here posted positive comments in response to the last video your posted a couple months back before this new one, despite Viber’s groveling. Then when people like Inna give you and Viber (presumably) honest feedback on them ("terrible sound") you don’t handle it well. "get your ears checked??" Seriously? Mods, how is that not offensive? Note that I didn’t say anything until faxer insulted the one person who tried to provide feedback If WC ever feels like they’re worthy to bring into his room, which hasn’t happened yet, then that will be different. But so far, <crickets> |
Hey Kren 006 before you make judgments listen in person. I don’t need anybody on this thread to buy the speakers they sell themselves once people come in and audition them. We have a ton of rave reviews and customers all over the country. I don’t need your validation nor anybody else’s. Seriously, do you think anyone is going to judge let alone buy speakers on a compressed MP3 U Tube video. I have spoken with Jay personally and he has not admonished me not to post any videos - in fact he encouraged me and has he even told me to purchase the Shure microphone he uses so you don’t know what you’re talking about. I beg you to bring whatever speakers you own over here to make a fair comparison. Nuff said. |
I’m not making any judgment about the speakers, per your first comment. Admittedly, I haven’t heard them in person, and really have no desire to. In fact I think the only comment I’ve ever made about them SQ-wise on this thread is that I thought the Maggie 20.7’s sounded better based on the videos, fwiw (which isn’t much, given it’s a YT vid). I don’t care about them one way or the other. I just think the continued pandering on this thread that is about WC’s journey (which doesn’t include those speakers) is a bit pathetic, and when people give you honest feedback on the speakers ("terrible sound") like today, you insult them, which is lame. Best of luck, |