My Long List of Amplifiers and My Personal Review of Each!


So I have been in a long journey looking to find the best amplifiers for my martin logan montis. As you know, the match between an amplifier and speakers has to be a good "marriage" and needs to be blend exquisitely. Right now, I think I might have found the best sounding amplifier for martin logan. I have gone through approximately 34-36 amplifiers in the past 12 months. Some of these are:

Bryston ST, SST, SST2 series
NAD M25
PARASOUND HALO
PARASOUND CLASSIC
KRELL TAS
KRELL KAV 500
KRELL CHORUS
ROTEL RMB 1095
CLASSE CT 5300
CLASSE CA 2200
CLASSE CA 5200
MCINTOSH MC 205
CARY AUDIO CINEMA 7
OUTLAW AUDIO 755
LEXICON RX7
PASS LABS XA 30.8
BUTLER AUDIO 5150
ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005

With all that said, the amplifiers I mentioned above are the ones that in my opinion are worth mentioning. To make a long story short, there is NO 5 CHANNEL POWER AMP that sounds as good as a 3ch and 2ch amplifier combination. i have done both experiments and the truth is that YOU DO lose details and more channel separation,etc when you select a 5 channel power amplifier of any manufacturer.
My recollection of what each amp sounded like is as follows:

ATI SIGNATURE SERIES 6005 (great power and amazing soundstage. Very low noise floor, BUT this amplifiers NEEDS TO BE cranked up in order to fully enjoy it. If you like listening at low volume levels or somewhat moderate, you are wasting your time here. This amp won’t sound any different than many other brands out there at this volume. The bass is great, good highs although they are a bit bright for my taste)

NAD M25 (very smooth, powerful, but somewhat thin sounding as far as bass goes)
Bryston sst2(detailed, good soundstage, good power, but can be a little forward with certain speakers which could make them ear fatiguing at loud volumes)

Krell (fast sounding, nice bass attack, nice highs, but some detail does get lost with certain speakers)

rotel (good amp for the money, but too bright in my opinion)

cary audio (good sound overall, very musical, but it didn’t have enough oomph)

parasound halo (good detail, great bass, but it still holds back some background detail that i can hear in others)

lexicon (very laid back and smooth. huge power, but if you like more detail or crisper highs, this amp will disappoint you)

McIntosh mc205 (probably the worst multichannel amp given its price point. it was too thin sounding, had detail but lacked bass.

butler audio (good amplifier. very warm and smooth sweet sounding. i think for the money, this is a better amp than the parasound a51)

pass labs (very VERY musical with excellent bass control. You can listen to this for hours and hours without getting ear fatigue. however, it DOES NOT do well in home theater applications if all you have is a 2 channel set up for movies. The midrange gets somewhat "muddy" or very weak sounding that you find yourself trying to turn it up.

classe audio (best amplifier for multi channel applications. i simply COULDNT FIND a better multi channel amplifier PERIOD. IT has amazing smoothness, amazing power and good bass control although i would say krell has much better bass control)

Update: The reviews above were done in January 2015. Below is my newest update as of October 2016:



PS AUDIO BHK 300 MONOBLOCKS: Amazing amps. Tons of detail and really amazing midrange. the bass is amazing too, but the one thing i will say is that those of you with speakers efficiency of 87db and below you will not have all the "loudness" that you may want from time to time. These amps go into protection mode when using a speaker such as the Salon, but only at very loud levels. Maybe 97db and above. If you don’t listen to extreme crazy levels, these amps will please you in every way.

Plinius Odeon 7 channel amp: This is THE BEST multichannel amp i have ever owned. Far , but FAR SUPERIOR to any other multichannel amp i have owned. In my opinion it destroyed all of the multichannel amps i mentioned above and below. The Odeon is an amp that is in a different tier group and it is in a league of its own. Amazing bass, treble and it made my center channel sound more articulate than ever before. The voices where never scrambled with the action scenes. It just separated everything very nicely.

Theta Dreadnaught D: Good detailed amp. Looks very elegant, has a pleasant sound, but i found it a tad too bright for my taste. I thought it was also somewhat "thin" sounding lacking body to the music. could be that it is because it is class d?

Krell Duo 300: Good amp. Nice and detailed with enough power to handle most speakers out there. I found that it does have a very nice "3d" sound through my electrostatics. Nothing to fault here on this amp.
Mark Levinson 532H: Great 2 channel amp. Lots of detail, amazing midrange which is what Mark Levinson is known for. It sounds very holographic and will please those of you looking for more detail and a better midrange. As far as bass, it is there, but it is not going to give you the slam of a pass labs 350.5 or JC1s for example. It is great for those that appreciate classical music, instrumental, etc, but not those of you who love tons of deep bass.

 It is articulate sounding too
Krell 7200: Plenty of detail and enough power for most people. i found that my rear speakers contained more information after installed this amp. One thing that i hated is that you must use xlr cables with this amp or else you lose most of its sound performance when using RCA’s.

Krell 402e: Great amp. Very powerful and will handle any speaker you wish. Power is incredible and with great detail. That said, i didn’t get all the bass that most reviewers mentioned. I thought it was "ok" in regards to bass. It was there, but it didn’t slam me to my listening chair.

Bryston 4B3: Good amp with a complete sound. I think this amp is more laid back than the SST2 version. I think those of you who found the SST2 version of this amp a little too forward with your speakers will definitely benefit from this amp’s warmth. Bryston has gone towards the "warm" side in my opinion with their new SST3 series. As always, they are built like tanks. I wouldn’t call this amp tube-like, but rather closer to what the classe audio delta 2 series sound like which is on the warm side of things.

Parasound JC1s: Good powerful amps. Amazing low end punch (far superior bass than the 402e). This amp is the amp that i consider complete from top to bottom in regards to sound. Nothing is lacking other than perhaps a nicer chassis. Parasound needs to rework their external appearance when they introduce new amps. This amp would sell much more if it had a revised external appearance because the sound is a great bang for the money. It made my 800 Nautilus scream and slam. Again, amazing low end punch.

Simaudio W7: Good detailed amp. This amp reminds me a lot of the Mark Levinson 532h. Great detail and very articulate. I think this amp will go well with bookshelves that are ported in order to compensate for what it lacks when it comes to the bass. That doesn’t mean it has no bass, but when it is no Parasound JC1 either.
Pass labs 350.5: Wow, where do i begin? maybe my first time around with the xa30.8 wasn’t as special as it was with this monster 350.5. It is just SPECTACULAR sounding with my electrostatics. The bass was THE BEST BASS i have ever heard from ANY amp period. The only amp that comes close would be the jC1s. It made me check my settings to make sure the bass was not boosted and kept making my jaw drop each time i heard it. It totally destroyed the krell 402e in every regard. The krell sounded too "flat" when compared to this amp. This amp had amazing mirange with great detail up top. In my opinion, this amp is the best bang for the money. i loved this amp so much that i ended up buying the amp that follows below.

Pass labs 250.8: What can i say here. This is THE BEST STEREO AMP i have ever heard. This amp destroys all the amps i have listed above today to include the pass labs 350.5. It is a refined 350.5 amp. It has more 3d sound which is something the 350.5 lacked. It has a level of detail that i really have never experienced before and the bass was amazing as well. I really thought it was the most complete power amplifier i have ever heard HANDS DOWN. To me, this is a benchmark of an amplifier. This is the amp that others should be judged by. NOTHING is lacking and right now it is the #1 amplifier that i have ever owned.

My current amps are Mcintosh MC601s: i decided to give these 601s a try and they don’t disappoint. They have great detail, HUGE soundstage, MASSIVE power and great midrange/highs. The bass is great, but it is no pass labs 250.8 or 350.5. As far as looks, these are the best looking amps i have ever owned. No contest there. i gotta be honest with you all, i never bought mcintosh monos before because i wasn’t really "wowed" by the mc452, but it could have been also because at that time i was using a processor as a preamp which i no longer do. Today, i own the Mcintosh C1100 2 chassis tube preamp which sounds unbelievable. All the amps i just described above have been amps that i auditioned with the C1100 as a preamp. The MC601s sound great without a doubt, but i will say that if you are looking for THE BEST sound for the money, these would not be it. However, Mcintosh remains UNMATCHED when it comes to looks and also resale value. Every other amp above depreciates much faster than Mcintosh.

That said, my future purchase (when i can find a steal of a deal) will be the Pass labs 350.8. I am tempted to make a preliminary statement which is that i feel this amp could be THE BEST stereo amp under 30k dollars. Again, i will be able to say more and confirm once i own it. I hope this update can help you all in your buying decisions!


jays_audio_lab
Sim 860V2 seems like a competitor to the Gryphon and Merrill 118, all in the clarity camp.  Please do a listening shootout among all 3.
@techno__dude
also luxman has a sweet sound and as preamp does play a role in sound signature who knows c900u and 860Av2 may be a bad idea and may be 860Av2 would start sounding sweeter and not as dynamic then.

also its hard to say c900u and 740p are in the same level or not.they are priced in the same segment although 740p is a dual mono design where as c900 is not.

to add one scenario, also soundstage when they did  a review of m900u had tested with 740p along with c900u had said it was equally good.

also 740p can be massively upgraded by a separate power supply 820S which c900u cannot even dream of as it has no such upgrade path.

@whitecamaross
WC

no worries.i understand you that have to spend  cash wisely on your next components.
based on what you listened so far with 860A V2, do you have any thoughts on matches/synergy with pre-amps like 740P, pass labs xp-22 or c900u or something else
@techno__dude 
you are missing the point.c900u may be a great preamp.but its a question of synergy.like the c900u/m900u have great match and synergy, it cud very well be possible for 740P/860A V2 to extract the best performance
Lmao, the 740p is not even in the same ballpark as the C-900u....

Goodsource , please do your research first, WC already owned the 740p and it was destroyed by almost anything else that came in his room.
Not at this time. I have bigger plans and I can't strap money on other components. That is all I'll say for now. 
@whitecamaross
WC
like you  used C900U with M900U, do you plan to use a simaudio 740P with simaudio 860A V2 to see if its the best option.??
iam sure speakers like sasha daw will benefit from the extra power.also for many folks when monoblocks is not an option plus an extra power cable, having good powerful single power amp is more practical and viable option than using monoblocks which would require 20A circuits or dedicated power outlet.you can still run 860A V2 out of a 15A socket.
That power will never be used with most speakers, unless you have very demanding ones. Getting two used M-900u in mono configuration for 10k each is a much better option here. 
Simaudio forces are mainly bass dynamic , and soundstage( separation).
Luxman is king at midrange palpability and meatness. It’s midrange and highs organic signature will make the  Moon sound sterile.


860A V2 is a power house compared to luxman. other than the pretty build quality of luxman, its not an even comparison

Luxman M-900U
Power (8/4ohms) : 150/300w
Gain : 29 dB
Power Supply Capacitance uF : 100,000
Transformer : One 1.2 KVA

SimAudio
Power (8/4ohms) : 225/450w
Gain : 31 dB
Power Supply Capacitance uF : 240,000
Transformer : Two of 1.2 KVA

simaudio is a dual mono design and has plenty of current reserve to drive demanding loads
look at the transformer and capacitance both of them are double/twice in simaudio 860A V2.

IMO its a no contest, other than the fact if some one wants a sweet amplifier like luxman.
also simaudio is not colored and extremely neutral which is a plus over sweet sounding luxman

Rip blumartini. 😞

Back on topic. Luxman M-900u is still « the below 20k champ » imho.
Much better casing build that is just completely in another class, well above the Moon. Lux 15k msrp, Moon 18k msrp...

Gold plated circuit boards in the Lux.

Luxman since 1935, Moon since early 2000s...

The Luxman is a limited Edition Rollex, the Moon is a pimped TAG Huer.



@blumartini 
RIP My man. I wish you the best of luck in your new journey up above. 
Sad news for me. We never know when our last day will be. We are all certainly on borrowed time. 
That was fun. I like the category concept and the idea of scoring. 

A couple of suggestions: with separate categories for each of resolution, clarity and detail, it may be that these similar or arguably overlapping categories are overweighted. 

I can think of a couple that would be interesting. Maybe it’s encompassed by what you already have but what about straight up treble performance?  How good does the amp gets the highs?  You have a category for bass but not explicitly for highs (although I suppose could be argued detail or clarity or resolution might cover). 

Another idea: low volume level performance. Lots of amps sound good when loud but lose their bearings at low volumes. 

Anyway, just my thoughts. The low volume I suspect probably not too important to you based on your like it loud preference you’ve mentioned especially in this thread. 
Disregard at will if you like. Videos Enjoyable as always. 
@slowe2020...   
hi, 
this question is one PERFECT EXAMPLE of the typical questions i get via private messages or email. It is always important to know this:

  • how much are you wanting to spend?
  • what do you listen to? hardcore rock? metal? jazz? pop?
  • what are you lacking with your current speakers? 
  • what would you like to achieve with the new speakers?

it is nearly impossible for me to tell you what will make each person happy because this is all about flavors. I have my own desires and wants with audio, but they might not appeal to some of you. 
I value the following:

  • Big soundstage 
  • Depth 
  • Clarity (can't deal with warm speakers)
  • Tight bass (not necessary for it to be super deep)
  • Not Bright
  • Last but not least, has to have resolution

If a speaker fails to give me  the first 3 bullet points above, it is automatically leaving my room. This happens to be one thing i love about Wilson speakers by the way (3 top bullets). 
I will probably put together a video of the top speakers i have owned in the past and the top 2-3 worst speakers as well. 
whitecamaross, I'm in need of some advice. Some of my system is like your's (at least yours at one point!), McIntosh 602 amp (600 watt stereo) and C46 preamp, ps audio direct stream dac. 16' by 14' listening room. What speakers would you recommend for best all around synergy?
Thought it was interesting JA said the JC1+ was the more tubelike between the two.
WC,
If the new secret amplifier is so good, why get rid of it in 3 weeks or less?  Let's hear the great amps in shootouts against each other, like the Merrill 118, Gryphon, secret amp.  I know the Merrill 114 well, which is close to the 118.  The recording you used to play the 118 was processed like canned spam, so use a brilliant recording to A/B/C the top amps.
It’s good to have on constant in the mix too, or how do you know if an amp, etc is really an improvement or not, could be the speakers after a recent change. If anything I might leave one set as the standard theat  g gets tested with for comparisons, then have another set that could change, and also different amps play better with some speakers than others, so that could show something about that. Once I’m able to get set up, I’ll have the Shashas, the 800D3s and the Tekton Ulferberhts so that should give me some nice variance and options to play around with. Won’t be able to change the gear like you do though as that would be a huge issue with the wife, and I don’t have the same agreement with mine on that subject. 
I have two 30a and two 20a outlets. 

That said, I might have to turn the 30a into 20a outlets because I get buzzing sound. I think that buzzing sound I hear occasionally is due to the 30a outlets. I am no electrician but let's see what my findings are. 

As far as Wilson being the only thing I keep forever, I have owned 3 pairs of Wilsons so they don't stay here forever either. Once I am locked in and interested in something, I begin to aim and then sell whatever it might be replacing as long as it is part of my future plans. For now, the DAW have served me extremely well and don't have a reason to sell them until something else comes in that I feel I like more. 
WC,
How many 20A lines do have into your room?  Just one, or more?  Do you run everything off 20A lines or do you have lower power stuff off 15A lines?

Also, what type of wall outlets do you use?

Probably at time you built room you discussed in thread but at that time I probably glossed right over it. Thx
It won't last for 3 weeks. Who said I was keeping anything?? 
I report my findings but does that mean I have to own it ? Don't forget I own gryphon and Momentum already..
Based upon the adjectives, I could also guess Soulution (maybe it's my wishful thinking), but I think the only thing under $20K from them is the 311 Stereo amp, so probably not.
Dave
One of the latest class D offerings, e.g. by MBL N51, using a huge linear powersupply? 

The treble speed, and low end punch (hammer) could just point to that. Seriously. 
Michélle 🇿🇦 
Sounds like some tube amp

or some pure class A low power amp. ( agreed with previous poster )
Great sounding amp!

Can't be a Pass Labs amp or it would have melted the cover off.
I enjoyed both videos WC and I really like the format.  And, you gave away what's hiding underneath the cover.  Will be fun to get your impressions.
Dave
@ghasley Amen. I'll add that Nils Lofgren is the new Diana Krall of hifi. 
@ghasley I didn't even know Nils Lofgren's "Keith Don't Go" was a hi fi test tune until you blokes mentioned it here. Perhaps you would prefer the version from his self titled album. That certainly will never qualify as a hi fi test tune.
If I have to hear “Keith Don’t Go” or “Peel me a Grape” again I may give up hifi altogether.
WC,
Continuing ricev's point about preamps, technically if you use the Dag HD preamp, you are using 2 preamps in the system.  The 1st is the preamp/volume control of the DCS, the 2nd is the Dag preamp/vol control.  I could be wrong if the DCS has an option for a fixed output that bypasses its own preamp stage, so then you are just using 1 preamp--the Dag.  You seem to like the inclusion of the Dag for its extra volume, which enables more dynamics, but realize that for purity and detail, there is nothing as good as eliminating the distortion of an added electronics stage, even if you like that distortion.  A young mastering engineer who worked with famed Bob Ludwig, told me that everyone likes a particular type of distortion. Still, I liked the Dag HD preamp best of all the preamps you demonstrated.  It would be nice to hear the comparison between DCS direct into Gryphon, and DCS + Dag + Gryphon.
mikey8811,
Yes, I like the snap of Keith Don't Go, although I don't know where it came from.
@viber6 are you referring to Nils Lofgren's "Keith Don't Go" from the Acoustic Live album?
I think we would all be surprised of the result that could be achieved with the Gryphon amp beiing driven directly by a Benchmark DAC 3 with a flagship powercord. 

Dacs have a way of deceiving us price wise these days. They are the gear that plays the most with our minds...
Because I wanted you all to hear the Rossini as a preamp. It is the first time I let you all hear it as a preamp. Also, it's not like I won't play it with the Preamp...one step at a time...I'm not going anywhere :) 
In the video you said it was easiest to hear a cable when only one is used between the DAC and amp (which might be true if using the Vivaldi straight to amp).  Here you say using the Momentum HD allows more to be heard.  Which is it?  if the output stage in the DAC is not that great....like in the Rosinni.....then it makes sense to do the cable testing after the Momentum.  Why didn't you do that?