Motor Controller ugrade for Raven One Turntable

Hi Lewm, nice posting you beat me to it, even Blackburn recommended this in a saracastic way, I was just laughing knowing that this is nonsence.

One members reply in the other thread added saying;

At any rate, don't plug your DC motor controller into an AC motor controller as a "filter box". Man, people post some stupid things.

Curious Syntax what is your responce to that.

Oh boy more heart burn : (

I understood his sentence immediately.

Syntax maybe pictures along with caption "VPI dual Motor flywheel assembly + SDS.

Finally , 50 gs for a TW BK like I said the high end industry know their customers well.

Blackburn,

again another post that you are just babbling away.

suggesting it costs 50 g's for a TW BK, again you are wrong which just further demonstrates your lack of credibilty.

I still don't see a list of your associated gear, why are you being so secretive? oh ya I recall you saying you feel foolish for having over $30k invested in your front end but then you make a snyd remark what do we call that ...

"Finally , 50 gs for a TW BK like I said the high end industry know their customers well."

Who cares about how much something really cost, this whole audio hobby as a whole is crazy priced.

Come on be a trooper and provide a list so we can comment on some of your gear choices as you have done to others in your previous postings, you surely dish it out enough.

Hi Syntax,

curious why would you write such;

"I would replace it with the VPI motor unit + SDS"

Is that what works BEST with your modified Micro Seiki RX-5000 table?

Syntax, Sorry about that. I did notice that you recommended VPI MOTOR plus SDS the first time around (yesterday), but I obviously could not retain such complex information in my pretty little audiophile head whilst composing my last post. Someone else also got the message wrong, which is what set me off.

Syntax maybe pictures along with caption "VPI dual Motor flywheel assembly + SDS.

Something like that

Tweak Me

Syntax, okay but I still don't understand why you would sugest such, no need to explain.

It's great that Peterayer started the other thread, the individuals who have posted there have been very helpful, what a difference from some individuals who have posted in this thread.

No attacks, not trying to suggests something is wrong with what they have but instead just very educational, proper info. traded back and forth, I personally never knew there was that much going on and involved.

My dear Dev one last time, now your obsessing over me and my stereo. : )

OK you can stop obsessing : )

I am concerned ,hopefully you can grasp the meaning of these sentences and not get them all fouled up like your TW acoustic brothers.

First though I have a question, am I off with the price of the BK ???? this is yet another bash to my credibility.

: (

You mean they were able to hold back the price since 2009!!! of $40,000.00!!!!
Maybe on top with further discounts and a bogus low ball invoice for border customs, a stunning deal!
Practically unheard of in the industry!!! just how can they do it!!!

: o

OK.
I buy only "A" list audio magazine category components. I read all the reviews only of the best available .
Then search the internet for even more talk to help validate potential purchases.
People in this hobby know what they are doing now, my question is what did they do before the internet????

OK back to your concerns and mine.

Though my new table was just replaced with an old one at half the price purely on musical grounds, I did feel foolish about the 30 grand spent on two occasions, long story that you and your TW brothers would find madding complicated and confusing.

Blackburn,

I think you are missing the point, just so you know I'm not obsessing over you or your gear.

I personally have nothing against you and truely enjoy discussing with others in this whole audio thing we have in common but when someone "YOUR POSTS" are aggresive basically telling people what ever they own is crap, broken, over priced etc. is just wrong.

When someone "SOME OF YOUR STATEMENTS" are just not true and again come across as an attack well you know this is just wrong.

You can read through my past threads and see that I don't bash individules, suggest thier gear is crap etc. but I will call the person out just like I have with you.

You weren't suggesting I buy "A" list product from the reviews were you? or you you saying you do? because if you were referring to me that is absolutely not true I don't even read them.

Who cares what one pays or what one costs, it's all relative and if the person can aford it why are you so darn concerned.

My VAC amps list for $78K, my MBL's $60K that's allot more than the TW BK table. I'm looking at purchasing a car that will cost me over $300K, who cares I can afford it.

Again even in this posting you seem to have a reason to slam and be sarcastic when you say;

"long story that you and your TW brothers would find madding complicated and confusing."

Why so sarcastic again? it's not needed.

Refer to my first posting in this specific thread and read it, I was trying to find out what was actually going on, it's you and a few others posting who appear to have hidden agendas and a axe to grind with TW product.

Please educate me, I'm always open minded. What's the big secret, tell us what you have.

That's a pretty cool set-up, Syntax. Clearly you have studied at the feet of Dertonearm, at the school of two motors.

Hi Lew,

the second Motor was useless here. but it looks good, or?
I made my studies about that long, long, long before.
And I closed that chapter long, long, long time ago.

Motors and other things

I guess I will still never get an answer as to why this upgrade to a motor controller had such a profound effect. And that is my only reason for commenting on this thread. To find out why so I can extrapolate to other systems. But alas, it was not to be.

Dev, Lewm sorry to have misled by my response to a poster who takes every opportunity available to make snide posts on TW Acustic threads. TW topics bring out a dark emotional side in these people. Sometimes I think its a “anything to get attention” thing.

I was anticipating the next snide suggestion in my post of using the SDS as a filter for the Raven one motor controller.

But hey, lets compare TW tables to Linn because they have so much in common.

As for upgrading the motor controller of the Raven One, I think of the significant differences in the price point of the One, the AC / AC3 and the Black Night. I don’t know how well the quality of the controllers follow the price points of the respective turntables but there is certainly very good possibility that the controllers up the line from the One are noticeably better than the controller that comes with the Raven One. I assume they are not the same if Jeff is selling this as an upgrade. Would most people agree with the “huge improvement” comment? Who knows, but don’t be thrown off your horse by a little sales pitch.
Terry

Manitunc, refer to the other thread titled

"Motor Controller effect on analog sound"

some interesting info. there.

Tdaudio, not a problem for me, I did learn some things from the info. provided in the other thread by members.

If any of you have met, know, or had stereo business dealings with Jeff at Highwater Sound then you are already aware that Jeff does not give any 'sales' pitches nor does he ever feed you bull$$!!. He is as honest as they come in the business and far more knowledgeable than most! He's genuine and the real deal; a true music lover, very experienced, patient, and generally concerned about making you happy and giving solid music and stereo advice. And, he sells top notch gear including the TW tables which are without a doubt some of the very finest tables you can buy. German craftsmanship at it's best!

Yes, I have heard this motor change demoed at Highwater sound in NY and yes it makes a noticeable hearable difference. BTW, VPI makes decent products too but none of their motors can hold a candle to any of the TW motors (and I actually own a VPI Aries 3 now myself).

Try the motor change; if you aren't happy with it I am betting that Jeff will take it back...

I agree, Jeff is a great guy to deal with. I met him a few years ago at RMAF. He has never pushed me to buy anything. I have owned several VPI tables, the last being a Aries 2. It was a very nice table, but not as good as the Raven One (in my opinion). The Raven has a blacker background due to the very quiet motor. I plan on trying the AC motor controller in the near future based on Jeff's suggestion. By asking this question, I am in no way questioning Jeff's knowledge or opinion of the AC motor controller/Raven One table. My only reason for asking this question was to seen if others had tried this and what differences they heard. Others may not care for the Raven tables (eveyone has a right to their opinion), but I have been in this hobby for 30+ years and I have learned to trust my own ears and take everything I hear from others with a grain of salt.

Dear Blackburn, A Maybach? A Rolls? A Ferrari 599GTB or Italia? What, for $300K? I am a car guy without your kind of bucks, but I was once a very successful Porsche collector (550 Spyder, Carrera GT Speedster, etc). If I had not sold them all, I probably could now afford an MBL amplifier, but I probably would not buy one.

I visited the Raven showroom last October at RMAF. Thomas seems like a very nice man, and the products appear to be beautifully made. I cannot but wonder therefore at the hostility typically provoked by discussion of one or another of their products on this website. As someone else commented, there seems to be a group of Raven-haters that is at least as enthusiastic and devoted as are the Raven-lovers. I have no idea why this is, but the turntables cannot possibly be as flawed as the detractors claim, just based on the quality of construction and the fact that there is nothing particularly adventurous about the design, meaning Ravens stick to the consensus approach to building a belt-drive, which has evolved over the last two or three decades. (How different sounding can a Raven AC be from a Brinkmann belt-drive, for one example?) I will never be a fan of 3 motors, however.

I can't imagine why someone would hate a particular manufacturer of turntables. The Raven seems reasonably well built, with accepted design choices. I'm not sure that you could ever perfectly calibrate 3 motors to run at exactly the same speed with exactly the same torque, but I believe that heavy platters and inertia more than cover up any speed issues when used with a belt drive. So while I have perhaps criticized the motor controller theory in this thread, it was not meant to be a criticism of Raven or any other manufacturer. I just dont get how a motor controller can have such a great effect on sound with a heavy plattered turntable using a reasonable quality motor.

Hi Lewm, There are usually only a few reasons someone bad mouths a high quality product line such as the TW Acustic turntables. Many times a dealer of competing products will chime in on a post and bad mouth the product being discussed. Someone may have an ax to grind with the manufacturer for some unknown reason. I don't know the reason for such negative comments on this thread, but many people have hidden adgendas. TW Acustic tables may not be your cup of tea, but to say they are a good starter table is a ridiculous statement. Many of these people have probably not even heard a Raven table in there own system.