Looking to move to a Tube Integrated setup


I'm moving from solid state class D to a Tube Integrated amplifier and have narrowed it down to (2). The Ayon Scorpio II w/KT150's and the PrimaLuna DiaLogue Premium HP w/KT120's. Does anyone have any experience with either or both of these they can share. Recommendations? Others I should consider in the $3K to $6K range? My speakers are relatively efficient at 98dB.

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No way a dinky SET will drive those speakers. @atma-sphere has told me more than once that high sensitivity, full range passive speakers need some grunt even if the specs suggest otherwise. This same idea has been reinforced many times in reviews and on these forums. I'd want at least 50 watt/side of tube power. I do confess to occasional loud listening.

AGAIN, read the review/measurements.  It is NOT a 4 ohm speaker.  At some frequencies it is just clearing 1 ohm!  

Amps need to control speakers, not the other way around.  If you pair a tubed amp with this speaker, the Moab will be exerting its will on the amp with very unpredictable results.  Nonlinear frequency response will be just one of those problems.

Corelli, To be clear, I do not own the full Be array Moab Matrix LX reviewed by Stereophile. I own a pair of the original Moabs with a single HF Be driver. Totally different unit, sound and measurements. Please pay attention to the original description.

@dekay I stopped in reply, restarted, and missed your prior post, only saw the MA352 post above yours. Good to know - for crying out loud. We read ya, LOL :)

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@jijoh123 Long story, have a 50yr audiophile buddy who’s been through at least 8 different Decware, Cary, Inspire by Dennis Had SET 45 and 300B 2-8w amps, also owns Cary SLI-80 40wpc, and custom EL84 amps at 20w. Geeze, 5 others prior to this. He’s back to looking for a higher current SS integrated amp to better drive and control the drivers in his 96db 8ohm tube friendly speakers better. He listens at mid to lower listening levels. If it were me, I’d be excluding the 2-8w fleawatt tube SET amps for those speakers and 4ohm impedance. Been down this path myself, and the higher quality amps with real iron in them, both SS and Tube, made the most difference for me.

Are you into the more modern uber detail sound some like these days, or the softer and more plush laid back type of sound others crave? Live demos with your speakers is the best way if possible. Best of luck.

In fact I did but your description was a bit ambiguous. But that is not the point.

Much of the low impedance occurred with the bass drivers well below the crossover frequency. I suspect the bass drivers are very similar if not the same drivers.

In all likelihood  the measurements would in fact look similar when it comes to impedance and almost certainly it will dip below the nominal 4 ohm rating.

Didn’t mean to debate the point with you and just wanted to pass on some important considerations as you look for a new amp.