Let's talk music, no genre boundaries

Women sing for the child even before birth...

It is women that create humor to control the male hubris, the women were center to the social net, and they  co-create speech which is music with the hunting male group imitating animals and communicating between them...

 S. Pinker once said that music was secondary...

https://iai.tv/articles/pinker-vs-nietzsche-is-music-the-basis-of-language-auid-3247

Nietszche said the opposite...

 He was right and this explain why i never read Pinker...

Music and linguistics are linked if we think about language origin and more so if we observe the hidden iceberg part : the motivation of sounds...The sound signs are not absolutely arbitrary,Saussure for methodological reason establishes  the arbitrary of sounds system as starting point. Others linguists takes this further and posed it as a dogma...They are wrong..

But it is another story...

I am interested by linguistics too and especially by the differences between oral first cultures and the invention of written signs and after it by the huge abyss of the Greek alphabet created and its impact on Greek thought ...Not just music and acoustics...

@audio-b-dog - "No way is that jazz" is what a lot of purists said about Miles Davis' music starting with 'In A Silent Way, and continuing with 'Bitches Brew' on onward... That's the only kind of 'jazz' that I happen to like, too... So Van can be jazz...

I presume human music began with groups gathered around fire pits, banging sticks and bones against rocks, bones and sticks, this or whatever materials available. I can recall many a time when gathered around fires someone picks up a stick and starts banging away, soon enough the entire group has gathered up sticks, rocks, whatever and banging in unison. It always felt like some primitive instinct took over the entire group, great times. Lately I've been watching some Prehistoric-Neolithic band performances on video, awesome!

Do you like Jazz?  Jazz that strays into pop and country?  Beautiful female vocals?  then brother (and sister), have I got a song for you.  Enjoy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6wYJplRjnE&list=RDR6wYJplRjnE&start_radio=1

@richardbrand, @mahgister,

As a few of you know, I have certain biases regarding music. @mahgister I agree with Neitsche too. He said tragic plays need music behind them.

My interest is in religion. I am not religious, but a student of religion as it is an expression of historical periods and peoples. I don't think I'll get into the discussion about how music began because it is irrelevant to my beliefs.

I think David Lewis Williams in his book "The Mind in the Cave" and G.R. Levy in her book "The Gate of Horn" made strong arguments that the ancient caves were churches. I won't go into my arguments about why I think women were the first shamans and priests, but Williams made a strong argument that the shamans and priests did the cave paintings.

When I talk about "religion" from the Upper Paleolithic, I am talking about a spiritual expression without dogma. I see it as an existential expression. "I exist as part of the earth which is the Great Mother." It is pretty clear from archaeological findings that the idea of a deity was female up until maybe 9,000 years ago. The poet Enehduanna (circa 2300 BCE) lamented the lowering of the goddess Inanna's status below gods among the Sumerians. So, that gives a hint as to the timing of the elevation of male gods.

Okay, back to music. I believe that art (including music) and "religion" were one thing to  the primitives. They had no distinction between the two. So, I see music as an outlet of the spiritual expression that I/we exist as part of the universe, the Great Mother. The Great Mother was not above or outside the creation, she was part of it, a belief that would later be called Pantheism and be labled heretical. 

Again back to music. The music I like best has an element of "soul" to it, its roots ranging back to what I believe was the earliest music. And of course that early music included dance as @mahgister implied.