Just about to pull the trigger on Pontus 15th ...


This came up 12 hours ago... I like the small form factor but wonder if the sound quality can measure up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUv-Tb87y8Y

 

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@lanx0003 I think that you bringing up power supply fluctuations was a great thought. This is exactly what I have been thinking about the last couple weeks. Honestly I just didn't go into it as I didn't know what others may think. I was also wondering if this is an issue with the internal power supply of the dac? 

When the dac seems to be hitting on all cylinders like I described, the output of the dac seems to be stronger. More volume though the volume knob hasn't been touched. Like the output voltage is fluctuating from day to day. 

I do not use a conditioner on my main pieces (Dac, Pre, Amp, Sub) Those are basically running off the wall outlet thru a basic Furman box. All of my sources & anything with a Switch Mode PS runs thru one of those $500 dollar Panamax jobbies. My wall output voltage has been running high as I've been keeping an eye on it & testing it. As high as 128v but mostly between 121v-126v. I have been looking at different conditioners & voltage regulators lately. 

I'm not sure what to think. But I do strongly feel like when the Dac sounds it's best the signal is stronger or louder to the preamp. It has left me wondering if this is a Dac issue or the power that is feeding the dac. I don't have experience in this domain. 

@mattw73  I am no electric engineer (civil eng.) but looking at source for ANSI C84.1 which is the the national standard for utility voltage tolerance in North America (see below), it seems the normal range for continuous use of electrical device on user end is 110v - 126 v (+5%) and variation outside this range should be infrequent.  Sensitive electronic devices will be more vulnerable to the variations.  Not sure if this needs attention but just pass it on fyi.

https://voltage-disturbance.com/voltage-quality/voltage-tolerance-standard-ansi-c84-1/

 

 

@lanx0003 right on & thanks for sharing the link. 

I will say that for the last 5 or 6 days I have not heard any inconsistencies. When I play the 1st track I know right off the bat if it's sounding "Right". 

As you know I have been critical of the unit since day one. The last few days I have been impressed by this dac from top to bottom in sound. Listening to good quality instrumental tracks has wowed me at times. This dac has allowed my preamps to really show off their different sound qualities as well. 

Nothing sharp or fatiguing in the high end, no grain or that glare/ringing I could get at times from my chip dac. Very smooth & so detailed. The bite is still there on tracks that have it but it doesn't bite the ears. When the bow crosses over a violin you can hear more clearly all the different frequency's coming from that one stroke of the bow. You are getting all the information from the original signal. 

Which makes me think of something. With say a Sabre dac that we know objectively is as transparent as it gets. Inaudible noise floor..dynamic range as high as 22bits. Whatever the source is giving it that DAC is passing it along. But when I listen to the 15th it seems apparent I am getting a clearer window to micro details. It's hard for me to describe sound so I'll just say a more realistic or in the room sound & tone from quality tracks with the Pontus. If a sabre chip is as transparent as it gets, why does the Pontus have more information or the ability to highlight more information from the original signal? 

Anyway, the bass & midrange is the same way with this dac. I think the bass is fantastic. Again it's like the DAC is passing more information from the signal. Highlighting every strum & kick, no smearing of frequencies. Which happens a lot with bass depending on the system. The 15th is giving you every tone clearly defined & separated, even if the track is the type to jumble it all together in a fast pace. Your ears can clearly pick out the frequency change. Instruments or vocals don't get congested together. Everything is spaced out accordingly. 

It's a good dac. The better your system the better this will sound. That might seem like a common thing to say but I think this 15th will scale very well with pricier pieces. It allowed me to hear & perceive things from my preamps that I didn't know they had in them..& I'm not in the high end pool waters. The dac isn't overly warm but it has just enough richness & weight that anyone could clearly pick out vs my sabre dac..but it's not a richness & weight that will steal your attention from the music. More naturalness or realism vs the chip dac. 

It's kinda weird. Because in a way the differences are just subtle vs the chip dac. But subtly different in every aspect puts it in a different league & clearly better to my ears & with visual perceptions. 

So after being extremely critical of my 1st R2R I understand why they are liked so much. I was under the impression that these dacs are known for warmth..& maybe other models truly are. I am a fan of the old skool tube sound so I welcome that exaggerated "warmth" at times. I don't feel that this dac exaggerates that type of tone but I definitely feel a hint of it. I've read people saying they prefer the older Pontus models vs the 15th because of the extra warmth or weight. I don't know if I would want to substitute any of the smooth clarity & detail of the 15th for more of that warmth. I certainly would not say the 15th is lean in sound. 

After this experience it makes me wonder about & want to hear these other R2R's in comparison. I would love to experience the Laiv's to get a better idea where the 15th stands. Or to hear for myself the differences between the 15th & the older models..a Gustard or even the Topping & Holo. At the moment this Pontus 15th is easily the best dac I've owned. Hopefully the growing pains I've had with this dac are done & it's reached a stable point. I can focus on my power issues now. 

@mattw73 That is exactly the outcome I expected. The Pontus 15th is essentially a scaled-down Venus 12th and is supposed to be top-notch, as several reviewers have raved about. The value proposition is strong—gear of that caliber would easily cost several grand if designed and manufactured here in the U.S. You certainly described the sound nicely.

Good news for you—if you're wondering where the 15th stands: A British Audiophile actually did the homework for everyone. He placed the Pontus 15th above the Gustard R26, Harmony DAC, and Holo Cyan 2, and rated it 'Outstanding'—his highest recommendation. He's one of the few 'trustworthy' reviewers I consistently follow for reliable information.  I don't believe any Topping Dac could compete with it.  The highly raved everSolo A8's internal Dac sounds flat image wise. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-BtA2XPiRU&t=532s

I too wonder how the 15th compares to the original Pontus II (which I own). Hard to say if it would be worthwhile to move up to the 15th or go directly to the Venus.