Jazz for aficionados
Hey Alek how are? Glad to see you posting here again. I have a question about your Burmester 089 belt driven CD player. When it hit the market in 2010 it cost 30k. Knowing you I figured you puchased yours used for a fraction of the original cost. Having said that the belt must have failed by now being 13 years old. Did you or the previous owner replace it? Here is the 2010 stereophile review of the 089. |
@curiousjim Yes, I just streamed it from Qobuz via Roon and it was unlistenable. You are not alone. If someone told me I had a damaged speaker then immediately played that track, I wouldn’t have argued with them. As soon as I switched to a different artist all is right with the sound again. Definitely a bad track and I can’t believe the artist would have released it like that. Are you using Qobuz? Maybe the problem is with them if you are. |
Hey all, This is bugging me. @christianb5s4 posted an album by the Jan Harbeck Trio, Balanced. So I listened to it and in the third song, Silver String Valley, the sax sounds like it’s very over modulated. I described it as sounding like a crunchy brown paper bag. Christian said it sounded good to him, so at first I thought it was my power, but I just listened to it again this morning and it sounded the same. Both times, it was played at less than 60-66 dbs, so not loud. Thanks |
Having many of these albums in my collection and all excellent choices, we seem to be over looking a lot of great more contemporary recordings. Just off the top of my head, I'm not in front of my collection. Tom Harrell: Number 5 Chris Potter: Lift Brandford Marsalis: Trio Jeepy Tim Armacost: Live at Smalls Michael Brecker: Tales from the Hudson Hiromi: Alive From the 80's but still contemporary, Wynton Marsalis: Black Codes from the Underground Just my two cents. Great thread.....
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Acman, this is my third Burmester player, I really like their sound, had 001, than 061 for a while, bought another 001 and now 089. Also had a Dcs Puccini with clock and Metronome 2s. Dcs is terrific machine, but as I listen almost only jazz, older production, it was ’too much’ on many albums, It showed all imperfections in production and that bothered me when I was listening, Burmester is ’better’, very revealing, but somehow menages to extract music only (if that makes sense) and leaves the imperfections of production a bit more hidden than Dcs. Still, If i could afford it, would like to have all my music on vinyl and some very good turntable...but, yesterday bought 8 albums for a total price of 50usd with shipping....thats impossible with records....anyway, enough of this ’audiophile’ talk... |
@curiousjim It definitely didn't sound that way to my ears, I made it through most of the album that night as well! |
Scott La Faro playing on album of Victor Feldman from 1958. I think that here you can hear his 'way' of playing as well (not only with Evans) Acaman, I use cd player (usually the best I can get my hands on, now a Burmester 089) Pc audio or streaming is not for me and the proper vinyl rig, along with all the albums that I have, would cost me a fortune..but I agree about the sound ...
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<<Currently listening to the album Balanced by Jan Harbeck Quartet.>> You mentioned Balanced and I’ve never heard it before, so I found the album in HR and started playing it, but I couldn’t get past the third track, (Silver String Valley), the sax sounded like a crunchy brown paper bag! Is it just my system? It’s about 6:30 pm here and sometimes my power is horrible, so that’s why I’m asking. Jim |
My burden is great.
Drummers and Bass players could be considered the most important people in a Jazz band. Their role is crucial to the performance. They are not expected to solo. That is not their role. Think of all the greats, Mingus, Ray Brown, McBride, Ron Carter, Blakey, Jo Jones, Higgins etc.... How often are they leaders? Even when their name is on top of the album jacket, the reviewers talk mostly about the piano and horn players. Blakey known for bringing along young players, Mingus for his composing, the others for who they play with. The are support players. No one buys Mingus albums to hear him play Bass. No one buys Messenger albums to hear Art play drums. They wanna hear his latest horn player, or the Messengers as a whole. Exceptions to this are the 'Showman' drummers. Buddy Rich and Gene Krupa are examples. But what they play is not Jazz, is it.
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**** Very creative, but with no relationship with the tune being played. **** No relationship?!!! Seriously? With respect, you are then not listening enough, or you don’t understand some basics. Starting with the fact that in a good bass solo, like any other good Jazz solo the same chord progression (the harmony of the tune) is used to improvise. There is no difference, no matter the instrument. The limitation is not with the bass or the bass player, but with the listener and the need for musical cues that are more obvious and make it easier to know what is going on. Been to a live Jazz performance lately? Notice how some in the crowd will sometimes applaud before the player (any instrument) has finished his solo, thinking that a simple pause (space) in the playing means that the solo is finished? The more astute listener knows that it’s just a pause in the solo in the middle of a chorus and waits to the end of the chorus to applaud. A solo always goes to the end of the chorus. Every tune has it own unique harmonic progression (chorus). Relationship. **** Yes indeed. Remember all the great actors of the silent screen era that could not make the cut to talking pictures? **** Huh? That had nothing to do with the SOUNDs of their voices, but their ability to act vocally as opposed to physically. That’s exactly what I refer to. It’s not the sound (tone), it’s the ability to tell the story. Hey, what better tribute to our OP and the history of this thread than a good debate /argument? 😊.
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I'm relatively new to jazz (about 3 years) and was fortunate to amass quite a few (several hundred) records from a variety of artist from a local ebay seller. They were from his dad's collection, and nearly all were in NM condition. Sadly, he passed in December or early January. But as I am going through them, I am finding some artist I really love. Lately, I am really getting into Kenny Drew and Calvin Keys. |
The sounds produced by drums and bass limit them.. Try to visualize the Take Five drum solo without the bass and piano playing along with the drummer. They kept the tune alive and moving along while Morello just punctuated it with his drum play. Almost like tap dancing to music.
That is exactly what is wrong with most bass solos. Very creative, but with no relationship with the tune being played. Just an irritating break in the action.
Yes indeed. Remember all the great actors of the silent screen era that could not make the cut to talking pictures?
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**** The instruments are just too limited. **** Needless to say, I don’t agree about the bass solo in Solar; I would not have posted it otherwise. That’s cool, we all have different sensibilities as concerns musical matters. Now…. Joe Morello’s famous solo is deservedly famous. However, it’s still a very “inside” solo. He never really abandons obvious time keeping, there is always a drum or cymbal hit on the beat. It’s like the way that Swing players always stayed inside the harmony, as opposed to post-Swing players who have played in a much more harmonically extended, or abstract way. Listen to a Max Roach solo for instance. The “beat” is often simply implied. More abstract. That is the trend with modern drummers and a reflection of a general trend in the music.
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I love the interplay between all the members of Bill Evans Trio's. I may be one of the few who like a bass solo. Seems to always be a big complaint that the bass player solos to much . Alex, I have that on vinyl and it is great. I spent years trying to get my Digital better and lately have been listening almost exclusively to vinyl again. Still better at my house. |
Well, have not posted long enough to forget my password...nice to see you all guys here on the same page again... Rock, if that is not too much to ask, is it okay if you tell us the op's name?Perhaps a link to that obituary? I would just like to connect the words with a face... On a perhaps brighter note...an album I've been listening the most few recent mornings and some nights too...Zoot Sims 'Nirvana'
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Bass players, like drummers, get into trouble when they go solo. The instruments are just too limited. The Gershwin tune was wonderful. They complimented each other brilliantly. SOLAR would have been better without the bass solo.
Brubeck's TAKE FIVE is a rare exception, but there, the Bass and piano kept playing during Morello's solo.
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