Jazz for aficionados


Jazz for aficionados

I'm going to review records in my collection, and you'll be able to decide if they're worthy of your collection. These records are what I consider "must haves" for any jazz aficionado, and would be found in their collections. I wont review any record that's not on CD, nor will I review any record if the CD is markedly inferior. Fortunately, I only found 1 case where the CD was markedly inferior to the record.

Our first album is "Moanin" by Art Blakey and The Jazz Messengers. We have Lee Morgan , trumpet; Benney Golson, tenor sax; Bobby Timmons, piano; Jymie merrit, bass; Art Blakey, drums.

The title tune "Moanin" is by Bobby Timmons, it conveys the emotion of the title like no other tune I've ever heard, even better than any words could ever convey. This music pictures a person whose down to his last nickel, and all he can do is "moan".

"Along Came Betty" is a tune by Benny Golson, it reminds me of a Betty I once knew. She was gorgeous with a jazzy personality, and she moved smooth and easy, just like this tune. Somebody find me a time machine! Maybe you knew a Betty.

While the rest of the music is just fine, those are my favorite tunes. Why don't you share your, "must have" jazz albums with us.

Enjoy the music.
orpheus10

Just a fine very classical but new piece of jazz

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7oi6QPaVzc

 

I could not embed directly the image though....Sorry....

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Socialist hate of Soldiers . NO American President has spoke like that !

 

 

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The Canadian slicky boy:

It made me sick, esp when I think of what he SAYS rather than what he DOES. He has the gift of gab, but more and more Canadians are finally getting his measure. He is a National Embarrassment.

The dieppe Raid was one of the greatest allied defeats in the war. Total disaster.

They were relieved of their positions in NATO’s Central Front back in the 60’s. And sent home. Could not maintain combat readiness.

All the deputy Command slots formerly held by Canadian officers at lll Corps here at Hood, 18th Airborne Corps at Bragg, Central Command in Florida, and all those at the Pentagon, are now held by British Officers. I wonder why?

American Presidents do what the are supposed to do, not make speeches, but make sure our people have every advantage in weapons, equpiment and training. Thats what the American people demand.

Check out the status of the Canadian Military. Google is your friend.

I think we have more people here At Hood than they have in their entire Military. I know lll Corps does.

He’s a slick talking anti-American, anti-military French Canadian socialist.

When Covid-19 broke out and countries were racing to find a vaccine, he put Canada’s money on the Communist Chinese. How did that work out for Canada? Later he comes begging, DEMANDING that medical equpment made at 3M in Minnesota, be sent to Canada, at a time when Doctors and Nurses were dying in NYC.

He is no friend of the USA. Just an opportunistic parasite.

Cheers

 

 

 

You see what you want to see ,.Right wing US , the home of hate and lies .They have given us a Militrant that has a country , Canada has an Army in a democrocy.

You prove yourself . A nation of 38 millions where people come first can hardly

have a Military of a country of 350 millions where people come last ,Unless they are billonnares. of course .

 

 

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He’s a slick talking anti-American, anti-military French Canadian socialist.

 

 

First: french-canadians people have already proved to all what they are made of, not only in the last three main wars, first and second world war and Korea, but for many centuries beginning at a time where america was even not, save few people on the east coast......Then they are not anti military they are against most useless wars americans did after 1945... We are against most wars because we are not an Empire ...I hope you are against them yourself if you understand all the lies behind them...

Second: french canadians are way less anti american than some americans which are themselves strongly anti canadian to begin with, calling us in their ignorance "communists"...All french canadians love the best there is to love in America...Not the worst...

 

Third: educate yourself, socialism is not communism, and your american dream capitalism anyway dont exist now for half a century at least...Socialism in quebec has nothing to do with "wokism" for example...And socialism in quebec is not the only political thread...Socialism in quebec is more akin to Sweden and has nothing to do with Russia under Stalin or China...

Four: Trudeau Father and son are not french canadian in their soul identified as Quebecers at all, their first language is English...They identified as canadian ONLY and want to crush the Quebec nation state singularity in an anonymus melting pot...Before Trudeau father, in 1960, Canada was a confederation of 3 founding nations struggling to be together...Indians first nation, French and English speaking people...Trudeau crush the confederation to create a melting pot federation...His son made that worst...

 

Anyway schubert say it better than me... But i dont like to be called an anti military "socialist"....You can deduce from that, i am a french canadian...

I apologize for this rant answering to another rant...

It is better to stay on jazz...

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I have; and every day.

Next Friday is the anniversary of The Gettysburg Address:

 

Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth upon this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate—we can not consecrate—we can not hallow—this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

Abraham Lincoln

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Good , because I look for the Truth .

too lazy to go back to modern President .

It is a FACT that some where between 4 and 8 million Native Americans were

killed after the civil war .

Out .

 

Perfect mahgister,!    As I have said before many times , IMO Montreal is the best City in  in North America .

Then they are not anti military they are against most useless wars americans did after 1945

In other words, any war fought by America that's not to save their asses, is a useless war.

educate yourself, socialism is not communism

I may have been confused by the Name USSR (Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics).  I am now educated.

Cheers

 

 

educate yourself, socialism is not communism

I may have been confused by the Name USSR (Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics). I am now educated.

Cheers

Yes like in national-socialism....

Same name...

But do you think Finland Sweden and other similar countries resembling Quebec are communists or Nazis because the name " socialism" is glued to the definition of USSR and NAZISM ?

Do you think a country where corporations had " legal persona" on par with humans and a country where their Lobbies and bankers rules over presidents even if they are completely alike one another like in this crisis, do yo think that this fusion of corporations and of the state behind closed doors, called "fascism" in Mussollini Italia dont exist in any form wharsoever in America because the right "name label " is not used by sold and controlled " journalism"?

If you think so you are deluded....Trumpian or Bidenian voters dont matter much, word dont matter much.... Reality is there to be seen and understood even without "words calling"

I will mute myself.... Dont add propaganda here though which want to make equal word with others words and the REALITY to some other words...

Reality has no name.......

 

Anyway my best to you and thanks from all of us for all your big work signaling to us the best in jazz...I feel i must apologize for my post....

😁😊

«We can see reality, but we cannot name it yet, and it is the only way to know that we really see her, not our daily hallucination or habit »-Anonymus Smith

« Then a "thing" seen may be a new universe, but if named it appears suddenly just your toilet bowl?»-Groucho Marx🤓

 

By the way i am flabbergasted by PAT MARTINO music...

 

 

I listened few more albums they are ALL of interest and the music is creative surprizing...

It is not only my favorite guitar player now but one of my best jazz artist forever...

His playing is obsessionately hypnotical, motivated like in a trance....His mastering creativity for a composer dominate all the musicians around him... The music is his children even when he does not play...

I cannot stop listening him... I dont remember a so strong experience before, save for Chet Baker and Bill Evans and very few others....

His music is more intense than just beautiful like Scriabin music , and the reason are the same and related to this fact : these 2 musicians are "possessed" by a music creativity "daemon" ....In the 2 cases Scriabin and Martino so different they are, melodical power are under the domination of some powerful colored reoccuring chords flows...And these chords in the 2 cases swallowed me up and down like Jonas swallowed by the whale and dancing in his belly....

 

 

Read this description of his inspired innovative playing in wiki :

 

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Martino stated, "There are elements within an instrument’s architecture that initiate a continuous source of valuable information. For the guitar, there are two. The first is the major third interval, and the second is the minor third interval. Once we view their repetitive information, they begin to appear as a series of automatic functions."[8]

Martino’s lines contain chromatic links outside any particular IIm7 chord that might be conceptualized over a chord progression, even in the examples he provides in his books and instructional videos. On his bulletin board he has stated that he formulated the system more as a way to explain his playing rather than as something to use to create music. In his own words, "although the analysis of some of my recorded solos have been referred to as modal, personally I’ve never operated in that way. I’ve always depended upon my own melodic instinct, instead of scale like formulas."[9] »

 

 

All the albums i listened to are great , this one is also a great one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CdZddRpAV0

I just happened to pass this way and was fortunate enough to come across the Paul Martino posts. Thank you guys for this! As I had never heard of him!

mahgister, for years I thought John Coltrane was the father of free jazz until I read one of your ’poems’ on another thread and found out that it was Ornette Coleman that is the father of ’free jazz’. Nicely done!

schubert I get it! And I would like to share something with you. Just recently George Benson was asked who he thought was the best guitar player and without hesitation he said Django Rinehart. Not Charlie Christian, Eddie Lang nor Wes Montgomery.

 

Just recently George Benson was asked who he thought was the best guitar player and without hesitation he said Django Rinehart. Not Charlie Christian, Eddie Lang nor Wes Montgomery.

 

 

My feeling is exactly the same feeling which he spoke about...

These two artists dont look for any music and dont play after a piece of music searching for another piece of music.

They are the music and their "swing" and their chords gesture is always the "ever present origin" of all the music they will ever play...

All their musics pieces or songs sound more like ONE piece of playing than different pieces...They dont need trying to be originals, they effortlessly, innately and naturally are...

They cannot play a piece of music without making it their own....If they play with many musicians,so good they are, we listen only them through the other musicians...

Their music sound at least like a very rapid dance or like a trance, they induce hypnosis of the listener... They are intense not only beautiful...

Jimi Hendrix was like that,and Ostad Elahi or Liszt ghost playing through Ervin Nyiregyházi, or Sofronitsky playing Scriabin, to give some examples that comes to me....

Martino and Reinhardt are on par and among the top musicians there is and there was....Not only for me....

 

Interesting you mentioning the word ’flabbergasted’. Since you have given so much to us, here is a link to some eclectic music that you just may enjoy!☺

http://flabbergasted-vibes.org/

Thank you very much!

the web site seems more than interesting....

 

My best....

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Thanks acman.... I love this  Stacey Kent album and it is not in my collection...

My best....

Hank Mobley, Soul Station.
Lee Morgan, Search For The New Land.

Each on 180 Gram vinyl.

 

 

Guitarist Anthony Wilson live with Diana Krall.

I much prefer his tone to Pat Martino’s. Reason being Anthony plays a Gibson Byrdland archtop as opposed to a tele like guitar. Save the tele’s for Rock. A serious jazz artist must play an archtop in the vein of Russell Malone, Wes Montgomery, Barney Kessell, Herb Ellis, Joe Pass, etc None of these jazz guitarists played tele’s because the sweetest jazz tone is delivered by an archtop with at least 3" of depth. None of the old players played a tele!

This set swings with a lifelong set of jazz musicians so many you can barely name them all. Backed by the famous conductor Claus Ogerman and the Paris Symphony Orchestra on several of the 12 songs. Live in the backdrop of Notre Dame in Paris!

 

**** A serious jazz artist must play an archtop in the vein of Russell Malone, Wes Montgomery, Barney Kessell, Herb Ellis, Joe Pass, etc None of these jazz guitarists played tele’s because the sweetest jazz tone is delivered by an archtop with at least 3" of depth. None of the old players played a tele! ****
 

Pretty bold statement.  I may have a favorite type of tone, but I wouldn't dream of criticizing the choice of gear by one of the most serious players to ever play the instrument; some would say the most serious.  Have you considered that Martino chose his instrument because that was precisely the sound that he wanted; so as not to sound like many other players?  He actually did play an arch top at various points on his career.

You may find this interesting and thanks for the clip:

 

@frogman, I’ve been a member of the jazz.be website for 14 years. It’s the finest jazz website on the web for all things jazz guitar. But a very few there are actual jazz guitarists. Every one of them grew up playing rock and later came to jazz later in life. It’s an okay place to learn jazz guitar. But 90 percent of the place is simply a hangout much like Audiogon, without any serious instructive qualities. The most popular page there is the gear page. Guitarists obsess about their gear. There they obsess with pedals because that’s what they used during their rock days. I don’t own a pedal. I play nothing but an archtop through a traditional 40 watt tube amplifier.

Yes, I’m biased. Charlie Christian, Wes Montgomery, Django Reinhardt, Joe Pass, Barney Kessell, these are the fathers of jazz guitar. Each played a jazz archtop because that was the jazz tradition. Martino came after Wes died. He too worshiped Wes as every guitar player did. I’m a traditionalist. Give me a full fat bodied tone that only an archtop can create. This new breed of players like Julian Lage etc playing tele’s do nothing for me. Give it another category and don’t call it jazz. All my opinion.

Guitarist Anthony Wilson live with Diana Krall.

I much prefer his tone to Pat Martino’s. Reason being Anthony plays a Gibson Byrdland archtop as opposed to a tele like guitar.

 

You are totally right speaking about  this sound tone of the archtop guitar versus the telecaster one..

i know nothing aout electrical guitar...

The tone sound quality of this archtop is marvellous for me also  and i am inclined to give you a point...

 

But one this is said,

 

Pat Martino is indeed way more than one of the greatest guitarist i ever listen to on par with the one you listed...

His only real peer for me is an unknown "god" here of the tanbur in Iranian music.. Ostad Elahi being also the greatest musician Yehudi Menuhin say he ever listen to...

The reason is Pat Martino plays like a composer and a musician, not just like the TOP average guitar virtuoso, his unmistakable style, united melody, rythm, and harmony in an never ending UNSECABLE unity, so much powerful that all the 20 albums i owned already are like one single album , one piece of music only... The reason for that is his use of a systematic system of basic core CHORDS nuclear tool which are unique to him...

The reason is his music is so DENSE and DEEP, rythmically,melodically and harmonically that it is no more just guitar virtuoso playing a melody with a beautiful sound, but a NEW KIND of interpretation and creation with this instrument...And all musicians playing in his albums are heavily marked  DEEPLY in their own playing by his direction... They dont play their part only alternatively like in the most majority of jazz albums..All musicians playing around Martino plays under Martino melting steel musical flow, they seems disciples more than side partner...This speak a lot about his genius...

His music is trancelike, hypnotic and CANNOT be good taste for all people being too much idyosincasic .. His music is more intense than beautiful....Not all people are sympathetic to Scriabin music for example for the same reason...

But i know nothing about guitar playing, types, and nothing about music, being not a musician... I only try to listen...

Feel free to correct me...

coltrane1, thanks for your response.  
 

There is a saying among musicians that says:  "Nobody ever gets fired for having a bad sound".  Certainly an exaggeration of sorts amd keeping in mind that "bad" is a relative thing the point of the saying is that there are aspects of a musician's playing are far more important than whether they meet some predetermined idea of what a good tone is: great rhythm, great creativity and great individuality, a component of which is a unique tone.  
 

I get that you like a particular type of guitar tone, but you seem to be suggesting that if a player doesn't fit that tone mold that he is not a serious player.  I can't agree with that.  Is the sound of our voice more important than what we say?  I don't think so.  Btw, when judging Martino's choice of guitar and tone, keep in mind the various styles that he has explored including Fusion.  
 

Not Jazz?!

 
Regards.

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Man this interesting stuff! Just a couple weeks ago I posted a comment on ’Bands/artists you never got to see live in their heyday, but would’ve liked to.’

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Wow, I had almost forgotten what a nice thread looks like with like minded people. For some reason I got old jazz guitar slingers on my mind.

Django Reinhardt Charlie Christian Eddie Lang Jim Hall Barney Kessel Bill Frisell Tal Farlow Herb Ellis Freddie & Grant Green Charlie Byrd Kenny Burrell

And as many a jazz guitarist I’ve known about over the years, I had never heard of Pat Martino! Until about a week or so later, I discovered here, thanks to you guys!

So I gotta ask?

coltrane1, why did you leave Eddie Lang off your jazz guitarist list above? His style of playing jazz to me, is show nuff blues and country music based indeed. Just curious?

 

Myself too...I pick a frogman post about him...I discxovered him thanks to frogman one week  ago...i did not even recognize his name save vaguely....

Martino is so original in his playing which is also a way to compose not only improvise with a chord system hypnotical and able to integrate in his net any melody in his own way...

He is not only a top guitarist but a very great musician...

His particular way to touch the strings comes from or MIMIC asian way North africa oud or near eastern instrument like tanbur...

He clearly had an arabic and "sufi" influence which is very deep and the ground of his playing... He resemble no american jazz guitarist i know of ....

His music is more intense than just beautiful...All this which is intense could be beautiful also, but all there which is beautiful is not always also intense...

His music for this reason GRIP us under his spell...

His guitar spoke with chords more than singing with a melody...Near eastern way to speak more than singing..

For sure he pick and choose some type of electrical guitar able to serve his way: speaking more than singing or speaking before and on top of singing...

His guitar choices are tailored around that goal...

All this explain why he is so much underestimated being a true creative and completely original genius but not only a top guitarist... There is many top guitarists...Fewer totally original one , and fewer great musician not only for guitar sake but for the music sake...Bach and Scriabin, and Monteverdi or any other great musicians are people who create their own way to speak....They are unmistakable...But could be forgotten like Bach was circled by new emerging ways to speak and write discourse...Martino was forgotten...For a time....His reputation will not decrease though ....

His style has the same powerful potential originality and richness than Django Rheinhardt...I put him near him...

 

And as many a jazz guitarist I’ve known about over the years, I had never heard of Pat Martino! Until about a week or so later, I discovered here, thanks to you guys!

 

 

 

 

 

i cannot either... 😁😊

 

I can’t click and paste music clips. Is there a problem?

Cheers

WoW! what a marvellous test....

A voice coming from my children memory again ...

A heart spell voice indeed....

Thanks  Madame...