Here's what I got to say to you Frogman "MOX NIX"! TWICE. Can you dig it?
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Is too hip, or too old?
Jazz for aficionados
Jazz for aficionados
I'm going to review records in my collection, and you'll be able to decide if they're worthy of your collection. These records are what I consider "must haves" for any jazz aficionado, and would be found in their collections. I wont review any record that's not on CD, nor will I review any record if the CD is markedly inferior. Fortunately, I only found 1 case where the CD was markedly inferior to the record.
Our first album is "Moanin" by Art Blakey and The Jazz Messengers. We have Lee Morgan , trumpet; Benney Golson, tenor sax; Bobby Timmons, piano; Jymie merrit, bass; Art Blakey, drums.
The title tune "Moanin" is by Bobby Timmons, it conveys the emotion of the title like no other tune I've ever heard, even better than any words could ever convey. This music pictures a person whose down to his last nickel, and all he can do is "moan".
"Along Came Betty" is a tune by Benny Golson, it reminds me of a Betty I once knew. She was gorgeous with a jazzy personality, and she moved smooth and easy, just like this tune. Somebody find me a time machine! Maybe you knew a Betty.
While the rest of the music is just fine, those are my favorite tunes. Why don't you share your, "must have" jazz albums with us.
Enjoy the music.
I'm going to review records in my collection, and you'll be able to decide if they're worthy of your collection. These records are what I consider "must haves" for any jazz aficionado, and would be found in their collections. I wont review any record that's not on CD, nor will I review any record if the CD is markedly inferior. Fortunately, I only found 1 case where the CD was markedly inferior to the record.
Our first album is "Moanin" by Art Blakey and The Jazz Messengers. We have Lee Morgan , trumpet; Benney Golson, tenor sax; Bobby Timmons, piano; Jymie merrit, bass; Art Blakey, drums.
The title tune "Moanin" is by Bobby Timmons, it conveys the emotion of the title like no other tune I've ever heard, even better than any words could ever convey. This music pictures a person whose down to his last nickel, and all he can do is "moan".
"Along Came Betty" is a tune by Benny Golson, it reminds me of a Betty I once knew. She was gorgeous with a jazzy personality, and she moved smooth and easy, just like this tune. Somebody find me a time machine! Maybe you knew a Betty.
While the rest of the music is just fine, those are my favorite tunes. Why don't you share your, "must have" jazz albums with us.
Enjoy the music.
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O-10, I have to ask this question: Your first referred to your "smooth jazz" posts as "good current jazz CDs" and complained that they had been ignored. Now, you refer to them as "formulaic and the jams sound as though they had a cookie cutter for music, and they rolled em off an assembly line or pre-determined template". So, which is it? I'm just looking for clarity, because I also have to ask: if the second description is correct (it is), it begs the question: why did you post them? A couple of other points about those posts: ****most new jazz is "smooth jazz",**** Not true at all. This is one of the recurring problems here: on what do you base that assertion? One has to be more specific before making a comment like that. Are you talking about recorded music, on the radio, or music in the clubs? There is a tremendous amount of new jazz that is not "smooth jazz" taking place in the clubs, radio, and a heck of a lot that is being recorded. WBGO Jazz88.3 in the NY area is going strong; CD101 (Smooth jazz) went under years ago. More smooth jazz than others being recorded? Maybe, but still a lot of non-smooth jazz being recorded; I can't say I have followed smooth jazz recordings very closely. You refer to the "jams": that is part of what makes those two clips so insipid; there are no jams. There is practically NO inprovisation in those clips. They don't even use a drummer; they're using a drum machine! 😖 Lastly, I don't know what you mean by "different kinds of cool jazz". I thought we were talking about smooth-jazz; one has nothing to do with the other. If you are genuinely interested in my comments you are always welcome to address me directly. Regards. |
@orpheus10 , My first CD purchase of 2016. I love it. This is more to my liking. Listen to all the tracks, no filler here. Just can't seem to get rid of that pesky 'blues'. Even in Cuba! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztaBsLvvS1I Nice clip on the making of this CD, and a little Cuban Jazz history. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nB4TETXF3I4 Cheers |
Rok, most new jazz is "smooth jazz", and that's not Frogman's favorite genre, and he found the two examples I gave; let's let him speak, "I find those two examples to not be very good examples of the genre. As much grief as smooth jazz gets from some, the fact is that some smooth jazz artists are terrific musicians and in most ways stick to the spirit of jazz in having a strong sense of spontaneity, improvisation and instrumental ability; not those guys, sorry. I find those two examples to be extremely formulaic and the music sounds as if they stick strictly to a written out or pre-determined template. I would bet you that if you heard them play those tunes live they would sound EXACTLY the same as they do on those clips; not the case with some other musicians in the genre. Those are Frogman's exact words, now what do you have to say to that? You know what Rok, I agree with Frogman, "cool jazz" is, in his words "formulaic" and the jams sound as though they had a cookie cutter for music, and they rolled em off an assembly line or "pre-determined template" as he put it. Maybe he can show us how one "cool jazz" differs from another; I'm looking forward to that. |
All music is written by humans and all humans are creatures of their time . When you study those who are labled "ahead of their time" you see that what they were/are is fully in their time ,aka the present. The greatest of the great are shaped by the social conditions of their time, their mother tongue and historical events .The universality of art is that it intensifies human experience but this is always effected by the circumstances around its creation . I make a point of listening to and trying to understand the music of living composers with varying results ,not for fun I would rather just listen to Bach, Brahms, Schubert and Moz,art and be done with it , I listen to classical music, of MY time because if I do not I may be walking and talking but truth be known I would just be another among the walking dead . |
Rok, Milt Jackson and Cal Tjader are Apples and Oranges; Milt Jackson is to vibes what Bird was to alto sax; it's futile to compare them to anyone else. Cal Tjader runs Hot and cool, it depends on your mood what you want at the time; "Cubano Chant" is hot, while "Laura" by him is cool. Rok, I think you need to forget about the light bulb; just look through your collection and find out what floats your boat at that time. As far as acquiring new music, you got "you tube", and this thread, so you know what you're getting before you get it; I believe your problems are solved. Enjoy the music. |
@frogman, Well, no one can say, I didn't try. Cheers BTW, if you have a few minutes of free time, maybe you could tell us all, why Armstrong was great. I am sure you can 'articulate' it better than the millions of his fans around the world. Maybe the most well known Jazz player of all time. And to think, none of the millions of his adoring fans have a clue, as to why they like him. Cheers |
@orpheus10 I have the 'Soul Sauce' CD. Your clips sounded a lot better than I remember my CD sounding. I always felt as if something was missing from this music, which is supposed to 'Latin Jazz'. Sounded sort of watered down, compared to other Latino Jazz players. Now I find out, there are no Latinos in the band. I always assumed Tjader was Latino. Now it turns out he's Swedish. And your home boy at that. Same with Charlie Byrd, bought some of his stuff back in the day. Being an LP of music from Brazil, I expected fireworks. Maybe I watch too many movies. I think I need to revisit them both. The clips were enjoyable. However no one can get the sound that Milt got playing vibes. :) I can't help it man, I'm stuck in the past, waiting on a light bulb to go off. You think maybe the bulb is burned out? :) Thanks for sharing Cheers |
I left off the link for "Tambu" by Cal Tjader and Charlie Byrd; it was the LP I wore out. Since I have to write another post to correct the last one, I might as well include more Cal Tjader "Tambu" [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YNP6q-_nxw[/url] This is "Cubano Chant" [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyjWVtFVifU[/url] Enjoy the music. |
Cal Tjader is one of my favorite musicians from a long time back, that I have overlooked. He was known as the most successful non latin, latin musician; that's because he explored so many other idioms, but never abandoned the music of Cuba, Although he primarily played the vibraphone he was accomplished on the drums, bongos and piano. He won a "Grammy" in 1980 for his album "La Onda Va Bien"va bien, capping off a career that spanned over forty years. [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRVdzzMgco0&list=PL5br3wjmUMVVzXpuBfvkC7nMDjxGTrI3I[/url] That was his version of "Speak Low", it is one beautiful tune. I've followed his music through the years, and never got bored or tired of his sound. Tjader worked with Donald Byrd, Lalo Schifrin, Anita O'Day, Willie Bobo, Armando Peraza, a young Chick Corea, Clare Fischer, Jimmy Heath, Kenny Burrell, and others. Tjader recorded with big band orchestras for the first time, and even made an album based on Asian scales and rhythms. His biggest success was "Soul Sauce". [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rSNqhEWH9M[/url] Here is the album I wore out; it's laid back and hip at the same time; with Cal and Charlie Byrd, what else could it be? Sharing my music with you, is like having you over for a listening session. Enjoy the music. |
I am sincerely disappointed that after all this time I feel reduced to having to ask the question "what the hell is wrong with you?". You want to continue to insist on using some sort of hierarchy of merit dictated by you and your own agenda (and there is clearly a personal agenda at work here), that’s fine go ahead. But, listen closely now...NOT EVERYONE THINKS ABOUT MUSIC AND ITS RELATIVE MERITS THAT WAY. The problem is not whether you, Wynton or anyone else think that this or that player is "better", it is your blanket denigration of any music made after your own personal music time-comfort zone. Do do you even know why Armstrong was as great as he was, can you even articulate it? And do you have any idea how ridiculous he, in spite of his greatness DURING HIS TIME, would sound playing the type of music that Hubbard played? Even more ridiculous playing the music that someone like Brecker plays? THATS THE POINT. The music changes and moves forward, it will because it has to; something that you are apparently incapable of. To not understand this is to not understand one of the most important elements of music and any art. I had hoped that you were a more insightful music lover than you are showing yourself to be. That is why I bothered. |
Sorry for the delay. I was stunned into immobility. New Jazz vs Classic Jazz: When Thomas Edison invented his cylinder player, he didn't realize it, but one of the consequences was that, Musical Artist would forever have to compete with, and be compared to, all players that have lived and been recorded. They all became immortal. Now, you do the math, fill in the blanks, think about it, apply your logic, and this is what this 'discussion' is all about. You can't cut the line of merit, just because you are recording now, and it's New. So think of any player, on any instrument, and then place these New guys in their proper / deserved place. For instance: And this is just for the sake of discussion: If on Trumpet, Pops is 1, and Miles is 2, and Hubbard is 3, and Morgan is 4, Buddy Bolden is 5, and so on, .....you know the candidates.... Now, where would you place Randy Brecker? Who would he be in front of? What about Tom (perfect bebop solo) Harrell? If you would answer this, then we have a place to start a discussion. Cheers |
It boggles the mind how it’s possible for some people to create a reality so detached from what is. Here is what is: The negativity has consistently come from Rock; and you, O-10. The rub has been (and I can’t believe I have to say this again) the negativity about new jazz and new music in general on the part of Rok. This has been evident from the start of this thread. There has not been a single negative comment on the part of one of the regular posters who like modern jazz about classic jazz in general; nor comment about the superiority of modern jazz and only comments about making room for both. It has consistently been the insistence that classic jazz is "superior", modern jazz is often played by "noise makers" "equating numbers to soul" (whatever the hell that means), "good new music is so rare", "if you want to listen to jazz or classical be prepared to listen to music by dead people", and on and on that has caused the rub. O-10, you do have very ecclectic tastes in music and I respect that, but you have been complicit in the negativity because whenever there is disagreement or conflict you and Rok run to each other for support and form your two man click no matter what conflict there may have been between the two of you originally. Sorry, but some things need to be said. Now, it is true that I have been negative about certain specific examples of music (very few really) that you have posted. I have been very specific about my reasons and they have always had to do with the execution of the music and never blanket criticism of the genre. Of course, you guys don’t seem interested in understanding more about this issue. Rok and you are, of course, free to be highly critical of others' posts; but, that's OK. Right? All this leads me to a comment about your most recent music postings; and those postings are so fitting for my previous comments: Ok, O-10 seem upset that those clips were ignored. Speaking for myself, the reason is simple, I didn’t want to open yet another can of worms. But if you insist: I will admit that "Smooth Jazz" is not my favorite genre, but I have room for it generally and some of it can be a heck of a lot of fun. But, I find those two examples to not be very good examples of the genre. As much grief as smooth jazz gets from some, the fact is that some smooth jazz artists are terrific musicians and in most ways stick to the spirit of jazz in having a strong sense of spontaneity, improvisation and instrumental ability; not those guys, sorry. I find those two examples to be extremely formulaic and the music sounds as if they stick strictly to a written out or pre-determined template. I would bet you that if you heard them play those tunes live they would sound EXACTLY the same as they do on those clips; not the case with some other musicians in the genre. Here’s to more mature interaction going forward 🍷 |
@orpheus10 "attack of the Negatrons" -- BRILLIANT!!! I wish I had said that! The root of the problem? The phrase "Irreconcilable Differences" comes to mind. I had already decided to throw in the towel. I too, am tired of the negative. This thread is getting to be a little too 'audiophile' in character for me. I was sitting here, trying to 'see the light', as I listened to some of their clips on the computer speakers, then I noticed one of the CD players in my rig was playing, so I turned the volume up, and there was Billie singing "Fine and Mellow" (Sound of Jazz). I just laughed out loud, for real. I asked myself, can this 'new' music even be of the same genre? No way!! WTF was I thinking? To each his own. Am I living in the past? Of course I am. All Southerners are. Down here, past is not only prologue, it's present. Cheers |
Rok, don't waste your time writing a good long post; it doesn't matter what we come up with, they're going to shoot it down. My last two posts were of good, current jazz CD's that I had purchased and reviewed; they simply overlooked them and kept on harping about us not posting current music. This is a coalition of the negatives; I call it "Attack of The Negatrons". Spend your valuable time listening to the good new music we have acquired this year, and now that we have so many of their photographs in Nica's book, we can enjoy their music even more. Have a "Happy New Year" and don't forget "Enjoy the music". |
Ohnwy61, I used to ask myself that question. For me it's really a lot less about Rok than it might seem to be. I find that there are a lot of mistaken ideas about musicians, their culture and their craft. It's an opportunity to bring a different perspective to issues that come up. From my vantage point, the better we understand musicians the better we can understand, and hopefully appreciate and enjoy their music 💡 |
****I've posted this more than once, why have you failed to acknowledge it Frogman?**** Hmmm, let's see...... Busy with work? Maybe lots of other posts came in around the same time and yours fell through the cracks? Maybe I was busy arguing with Rok? Maybe you posted around the time that my dog (Artie) ate my IPad's charger? Or...... O-10, I didn't think that anyone would be taken to task for not acknowledgimg a post. With that in mind, should I point out how many of my posts you never acknowledged? Would be kinda silly and petty, no? BTW, one of those was clips of Carmen Lundy. If you like Charenee Wade I suspect you'll like Lundy; she writes her own material too. Finally, winter weather in NY! About time. |
I am not in the "what is, and what is not jazz" camp. This music falls into the category of "smooth jazz". This is "In The Full Moonlight" and it's free exuberance sets me free to cavort "In the full moonlight". [url] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCD5ipQA63U[/url] This is from their latest release "Global Force" [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivBEcqig3Bg[/url] Enjoy the music. |
Jimmy Greene - Beautiful Life - A modern day Jazz masterpiece. Inspired by the life of his 6 yr old daughter who was killed in the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting. Released at the end of 2014, it's up for Best Jazz Record in this years Grammy's. I would strongly urge any lover of music in general, not just Jazz fans, to pick this up, it's simply stunning. Recorded at the Chesky Studios by David Chesky, while not released under the Chesky label, it's probably the greatest 'Chesky' Jazz record of all time! A very, very fine recording. Gottasay, it's hard to take any claims of 'no new Jazz records being made' seriously when there's music of this caliber being created. Only time will tell but IMO this is a classic for the ages! https://youtu.be/JmrexEYPTkg |
Frogman, my musical palette is not locked in the past, "Charenee Wade" is my most recent acquisition; the subject matter of her music is "singing of a more complicated urban existence"; no, this is not "rapping" about an urban existence, this is singing top notch jazz with some of the best "new" jazz musicians I've heard. This music was inspired by Gil Scott Heron; most people only remember "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised", he was a very young naive man when he put that out, now he's much older and see's the real complications of the urban existence. But beyond that, this is beautiful thoughtful music that can be listened to many times. The urban existence is infinitely more complex than it was when Gil came to prominence in the 60's, but Charenee sings of hope that was inspired by Gil Scott Heron in his most recent life. The music provided that accompanies her is every bit as beautiful as Charenee Wade's voice. I've posted this more than once, why have you failed to acknowledge it Frogman? [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JabrQh5vql4[/url] Enjoy the music. |
Tell you what, Rok. I am so convinced that it is the negativity and anger in attitudes like yours that are doing more harm to the music than anything else that I invite you to come to NY and I will take you to places like Juilliard and jazz clubs in the city, as my guest, so you can see, first hand, just how much good music is happening today. This way you don't have to simply imagine what is, or is not, going on. I could even arrange for you to meet your hero Wynton. If you promise to keep the rants to a minimum I may even offer to put you up (futon bed ok?). 😊 I'm dead serious. |
Lord my Burden is Great. The question was, who was MLK referring to when he used the term 'modern Jazz'. He was referring to all the guys you just listed. So Miles attended Julie-art. So what. So the others went to a music school. So what. When I say , the Julie-art people, you know who I mean. And it's not the people you just named. I mean the people who are destroying Jazz. Nice try Cheers |
Miles Davis, Juilliard graduate. Freddie Hubbard, studied at the Arthur Jordan Conservatory of Music (now the Jordan College of the Arts at Butler University) with Max Woodbury, the principal trumpeter of the Indianapolis Symphony Orchestra. John Coltrane, studied music at the Granoff Studios as well as the Ornstein School of Music. Cannonball Adderly, grad in music, Florida A&M University. Held position of band director at Dillard HS. Afterwards moved to NY originally to seek graduate studies at NYC music conservatories. Sonny Rollins, "So then I had a saxophone teacher, and went to little music schools and stuff like that, not private teachers. But I never had sort of the formal education that my older brother and sister had, so I always felt inferior to them."- SR Charles Mingus, studied with Herman Reinshagen, principal bassist of the New York Philharmonic, and compositional techniques with Lloyd Reese. Just a few of the ones you mentioned. Think, Rok, think! 🙃 |
MLK's comments were made to say that Jazz serves the same purpose for urban black folks as the Blues did for Blacks in the rural South. What did he mean by 'modern Jazz'? MLK died in 1968. Just to name a few of the many guys playing then, would include: Miles,Monk,Coltrane,Rollins,Mingus,Hubbard,Morgan,Cannonball, Basie, Ellington and too many more to mention. Now the question is, was he speaking of folks like these, or the grads of Julie-art. Think people, Think. @jafant , Me too. Cheers |
"Jazz speaks for life. The Blues tell the story of life's difficulties, and if you think for a moment, you will realize that they take the hardest realities of life and put them into music, only to come out with some new hope or sense of triumph. This is triumphant music. Modern jazz has continued in this tradition, singing the songs of a more complicated urban existence. When life itself offers no order and meaning, the musician creates an order and meaning from the sounds of the earth which flow through his instrument. " Martin Luther King |
It's hard to follow all the nonsense but as far as I can see the root cause of the differences being expressed are in fundamental value systems set in concrete before the brain was fully developed. To whit, frogman attended an institution of higher-learning where intellection was/is highly valued , rok one where it was not . |
Rok, you crack me up. As usual, you see (read) what you want to see and interpret it the way you want to interpret it. I know full well that you will always want the last word; some things will never change. No problem and no hard feelings. Now, wait for it.....this is actually a compliment now.... I believe you will get it one day. Right now, you don't. As far as taking the fun out of it goes, let's see.... who is really taking the fun out of it (and this is the only "premise" that this is all about)? The person who says: "There's great music happening as we speak (write)?" Or, the person who says: "The only good music was made by dead people?" |
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but, to be blunt, a listener that is not even aware (there’s that intellectual thing again) that the overwhelming majority of music that he refers to or posts as examples is simply twelve bar blues has no basis for making grandiose comments about the superiority of one era over another. ****** "SIMPLY Twelve Bar Blues!!! Surely you jest. What do you think Jazz is. Is there no place in your Jazz for 12 bar blues? Your school house training is showing. It's gotta be complex? Incomprehensible? I have every right to make any comment, 'grandiose' or otherwise about what I like. BTW, I only post what I own, or put another way, I only post what I spend my real money for. No Blues, No Jazz Know Blues, Know Jazz ***** Personally, I think that this thread would be far more interesting and positive if there was more openmindedness and more willingness to explore ways to assess skill level. ***** You are going to be known as the Grinch that took all the fun out of Jazz. Skill level can only be discussed in a serious manner by some Jazz players or a Jazz instructor. That would be The Frogman. We are not at Julie-Art, we are in the club / barber shop. :) I'm wore out. Later Cheers |
*****Rok asked the question: "I don’t understand why you guys think that jazz always has to change". Again, ironic. Ironic that someone who leans so much on the "history" of the music doesn’t see the obvious: Jazz has been evolving since its birth and it will continue to do so whether we like it or not****** The important words here are "Always Has To Change". Natural progression / evolution is one thing, that it MUST or HAS TO change is something else. That is not what has happened. What has happened is, the Music has been changed/distorted/redefined to the point that Anyone and Everyone can now play "Jazz". And although the Great unwashed decide, they can only choose from the people the critics and power brokers put forward. |
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Personally, I find it ironic, and more than a little pathetic, just how much resistance there is to the idea that at ANY point in time there is, in fact, good music being made; that what determines whether it is good or bad is how well the music reflects the time of its creation along with the skill level of the performer.****** The best to find out how much good music you think is being played today, is to take a look at the stuff on your shelf. The stuff you paid good money for. If you have no Armstrong, a few by Miles, maybe one Coltrane, but tons of stuff from current day players, then you are true to your 'beliefs', and I can only respect that. |
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Rok recently commented: "the visceral always trumps the intellectual". That is simply not true****** For the listener, it is absolutely true. In Jazz and esp in Classical. Listen to very early Blues, R&B and Rock & Roll. Music that changed the world. Where is the intellectual? At Julie-Art. :) ***** For that there needs to be, at least, an openness of mind to the reality that in order to discern skill level one has to rely on a little more than simply visceral reaction ***** Who buys music based solely on 'skill level'? If that were true, the only Jazz Trumpet you would need would be Wynton. And as much as I love the guy, I can't see that. Now we assume if the guy has a CD he can play his instrument{intellectual}, what we wanna know is, what is he saying when he plays(visceral) |
O-10 I listen to jazz as well , maybe 6 hours a week. I don't know about musical taste always being a product of the culture you're in ,though that is usually the case .I never heard a note of classical music till I was almost 30, in truth I never even knew there was such a thing. By sheer chance I heard the Great Swedish tenor Jussi Bjoerling sing a Beethoven lied on German radio and was overwhelmed by beauty and that was that . |
*****that we all like certain styles of jazz, that no one style is better than the other, and that the only consideration that is subject to intellectual analysis is the skill level of the performer; THAT is what determines what is good music or bad. *** If this were true, we would all have thousands of CDs / LPs full of music we hated, or did not like, but bought because of the skill level of the performer. Just like right this minute, I am sure you can analyze Shepp and point out a hundred things he is doing correctly. To me it is just so much sound. Incoherent sound. Noise? So YOU may think this is GOOD music. If you do, I can assure you , you are in a very tiny minority. BTW, both are capable of playing good music, this just ain't it. Esp for Roach. |
When a person writes a long, seemingly well thought out post, that you disagree with totally, the most likely reason is: (1) He is right and you are wrong (2) His premise is wrong. The Frogman's premises are wrong. The incorrect premise is to a logical argument, what cheap unreinforced concrete is to a building's foundation. It won't hold up. First: ***** There exist two different mindsets:***** When it comes to music and all art, there are almost as many mindsets as their are people. You are trying to define / limit the parameters to fit your point of view. The foundation of your argument is in error. ...............More in a minute have to change to music before Shepp drives me nuts! |
Schubert, you listen to classical as much as I listen to jazz. Taste in music is primarily a result of the culture you were exposed to. Your comment in regard to rap, hit the nail dead on the head; they asked for it and you gave it to them. Talking to "MOE-RONS" is a waste of time; racism has manipulated them into putting a noose around the "serf" classes neck, since they only understand black and white, they wouldn't understand that. At any rate, it's game over for the "serf" class. Enjoy the music. |
And here is another big part of the problem. Had someone played this for you and not told you who was playing, I would bet you would relegate them to noise-maker status. But, this is one of Wynton's heroes as he admits in his diatribe. How do you feel about the music with this knowledge in mind? Surprise me. [URL]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7aFKG2c6RIY[/URL] |
Rok, as usual, you miss the point. You can’t understand just how much agreement there is between Wynton’s "diatribe" and my own; you seem to see only what you want to see. Wynton, in fact, corroborates much of what am saying; I know nuance is difficult. Lastly, don’t forget that Wynton has made an empire from the "preservation of the art"; self interests and all. |