@curiousjim
The RVG remasters may have a bright sound as stuartk has posted and I have heard many others who feel that way. Music genres and listening are both subjective in nature. I for one like the way they sound and you can get a ton of RVG remasters from a ton of musicians.
Many essential Jazz Messengers albums were remastered by RVG, and all of them were originally engineered by RVG.....
John Coltrane chose RVGs Englewood Cliffs studio in which to record the masters of one of the greatest jazz sessions in history, A Love Supreme.....
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From Wiki
The Jazz Messengers were a jazz band that existed with varying personnel for 35 years. Their discography consists of 47 studio albums, 21 live albums, 2 soundtracks, 6 compilations, and one boxed set.
As you can see it is definitely possible to own 50 plus Blakey albums, especially if you are a Blakey Completist, which I most definitely am.
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I noticed Alex brought up Dupree Bolton about 10 years ago. I missed it then, so I wanted to give credit where credit is due. Thanks Alex!
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@pjw81563
I have never heard a bad RVG album. And I had no idea there were 50+ Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers albums out there! I guess I know what I’m listening to the rest of the week.😁
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@pjw81563
I take it that you are referring to the original RVG recordings.
Detractors of the RVG remasters have asserted they are too bright, due to RVG's age at the time and his loss of hearing in the high frequency range. My system is on the warm side of neutral and I don't find them so but those for whom transparency and detail are the highest priorities and have systems that highlight such priorities may well disagree.
That's quite a Blakey collection you have but then his was quite a dynasty !
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Re: "The Van Gelder Sound"
I like it.
All of the record producers and musicians that recorded sessions engineered by Van Gelder liked it. Whether first, at his parents studio and later at the purpose built Englewood Cliffs studio. Of course Van Gelder has many detractors, most notably Charles Mingus.
Van Gelder:
The biggest distorter is the LP itself. I’ve made thousands of LP masters. I used to make 17 a day, with two lathes going simultaneously, and I’m glad to see the LP go. As far as I’m concerned, good riddance. It was a constant battle to try to make that music sound the way it should. It was never any good. And if people don’t like what they hear in digital, they should blame the engineer who did it. Blame the mastering house. Blame the mixing engineer. That’s why some digital recordings sound terrible, and I’m not denying that they do, but don’t blame the medium.
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Orrin Evans, Listen To The Band.
Kinda all over the place, but definitely worth a listen.
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Thanks stuartk very good...😊
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@frogman
One of the true giants of this music and my favorite post-1960, or so, Jazz composer.
Mine too !
I particularly love his melodic sensibility.
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Great to read so many mentions and praise of Wayne Shorter. One of the true giants of this music and my favorite post-1960, or so, Jazz composer. As a player, one of the most notable aspects of his playing was how his improvisations became more and more economical over time. He could tear it up as much as any saxophone player, but chose to play more and more concisely and minimally as he grew older. One of those players that could say so much with just one note. Very expressive.
Many of his greatest albums have been mentioned. One that doesn’t get mentioned often is “Atlantis”. A favorite. It features his compositions and somewhat less actual improvisation than on some of his other records. Great and interesting tunes with very interesting textures in a style uniquely his and clearly post-Weather Report in sound.
https://youtu.be/qUDRRCQj0TE?si=V_TVDBC8sfuxZ3I6
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@curiousjim
You're welcome.
Between the two, you should be pretty well covered ;o)
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@stuartk
Thanks, I’ll definitely check out the AMG To Jazz.
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Listening to Ben Webster plays Ben Webster puts me in my happy place.😀
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@pjw81563
Listened to a lot of the late great Wayne Shorter last night. The album Speak No Evil is probably his best overall session.
"Speak No Evil", "JuJu", "Night Dreamer", "Adam’s Apple" and "Etcetera" please me equally.
"The All Seeing Eye", "Schizophrenia" and "The Soothsayer" not so much. I find the writing on "The All Seeing Eye" off-putting and on the two other recordings, James Spaulding is, to my ear, a liability. While he may be a fine second-tier player, he’s not on the level of Shorter and the other players.
On "Odyssey of Iska" and "Motto Grosso Feio", Shorter plays (if I recall correctly, soprano) over long jams that you might actually find to your liking, if you haven’t heard them. They are somewhat akin to early Weather Report. Also, check out Horacee Arnold’s "Tribe", "Tales of the Exonerated Flea" and Miroslav Vitous' "Mountain in the Clouds".
Shorter had at least two encounters with Milton Nascimiento -- on Shorter’s "Native Dancer" and on the latter’s "Milton". I prefer "Milton".
That Blakey outfit with Wayne, Freddie Hubbard (or Lee Morgan on Indestructible) was amazing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJBLA39spc4&list=OLAK5uy_nJOp9u0pWGGTEbPU_rtQN35yOkuJ9WCd0
Wayne was also a prophet...
Shorter was deeply influenced by involvement in the Nichiren Shoshu sect of Buddhism, as were some other Jazz "heavy hitters", such as Herbie Hancock.
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Thanks i will certainly listen to it...😊
My best to you...
@mahgister While surfing You Tube I came across this video about Sansui which I thought might interest you. He talks about the history of Sansui, the "70s stereo wars" between electronic industry and why quality Sansui hifi "disappeared" by the end of the 20th century. And he manages to do all of this in just 13 minutes.
WHAT REALLY HAPPENED TO SANSUI - YouTube
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@pjw81563
Yes ; I'm familiar with this live Quintet recording.
I heard it when it was first released but at the time it did not seem as strong to me as one particular night's performance I'd witnessed with my wife at Yoshi's, hence I've never owned it. This track is pretty hot, though and has got me thinking that I need to re-evaluate. ;o)
@ho249
Of course, I've seen Iyer's name here and there but have never actually checked out his playing. Time to do so!
@curiousjim
Herbie Nichols Trio.
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@mahgister While surfing You Tube I came across this video about Sansui which I thought might interest you. He talks about the history of Sansui, the "70s stereo wars" between electronic industry and why quality Sansui hifi "disappeared" by the end of the 20th century. And he manages to do all of this in just 13 minutes.
WHAT REALLY HAPPENED TO SANSUI - YouTube
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Was reading a Music Direct ad selling Blue Note tone poet series and the first album listed was Herbie Nichols, Herbie Nichols Trio. So I’m about halfway through it and it is a wonderful Sunday morning sound.🎶
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Harold Ashby, The Harold Ashby Quartet.
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@mahgister
RE: Jan Johansson: yes; very relaxing. Interesting style -- don’t think I’ve come across anything similar, before. I'm intrigued.
@curiousjim
Butman, back atcha:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hK2MUffAWU
I’ll have to see if I can figure out which of his recordings contains this tune...it kind of reminds me of movie soundtrack music... end-of-a-love-affair scene.
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Butman is a friend of Wynton Marsalis...
The two, Butman and Sipiagin are Russian jazzmen...
They seems interesting to me the more i listen , they are different...
If you want a genius try Jan Johansson... A sweden pianist...
Many albums are folk music inspired jazz... Very relaxing...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFRD0c9D_os&list=PLKUyqLlH6brmvdECiPAtkSQwCBruqHTG1
Now i like Gene Ammons very much.... It is a singing sax master...
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@stuartk
@mahgister mentioned Butman in the same post as Sipiagin. I’d never heard of him either.
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@stuartk
What about Jerry Bergonzi ?
He’s great. Since I bought a Bluesound Node and Amazon Music HD, the world is my oyster, for $8.99 a month.
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@stuartk
Sorry for the adolescent humor
No apologies necessary as I refuse to grow up.😁
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@curiousjim
Butman is a new name to me...
Potentially embarrassing name "but man", can he play!
Sorry for the adolescent humor.
I'm listening to "Reflections" co-led with Conrad Herwig, as I was drawn by the personnel -- Sipiagin, Kikoski, Watts, Davis. I'll probably have to buy this one. Thanks!
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@mahgister
Stitt recorded an awful lot but only a small fraction of his output has been available on CD, so I haven’t actually heard that much of it. "And the New Yorkers" is my favorite of those I’ve heard.
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@curiousjim
You read it straight through, cover-to-cover ? !
That's impressive.
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@mahgister
FYI,
There’s a Boss Tenors In Orbit album also that’s pretty darn good.
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Jan Johannsson the genius jazz pianist is in the Penguin...
Butman is perhaps a bit too much contemporary to be there...
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I am flabbergasted by Gene Ammons singing...
I need to go in search mode...
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@stuartk
I’ve been reading your conversation with @mahgister about artists and I noticed that Igor Butman was not in the Penguin book and I was kinda surprised.
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