Jazz for aficionados
Maybe my first encounter with Jazz. I was away at college, my first night away from home, in the band dorm, and some hot shot trumpet players from Memphis, played this tune all night, or so it seemed, on their record player. We became great friends. I have loved / hated it every since. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKNZqM0d-xo Cheers |
frogman, Here is the Duane Allman article about KOB Author, critic, and musician Robert Palmer, wrote these liner notes in one of the many re-issues of the Miles Davis classic Kind Of Blue: Blues fans probably know Palmer best as the author of the fine book, "Deep Blues." But he was a broader music critic and writer and a musician himself. He told a little story in his liner notes for a "Kind of Blue" reissue that I thought said a great deal about music, about blues and about great musicians. Here's what Palmer said Duane Allman told him about the album: Playing gigs at the Fillmore East during the sixties made it easier for you to get in and catch other bands, even if tickets were sold out. As a young saxophonist in a rock band, I played there several times and attended numerous concerts; the one group I never missed (unless I had to be on the road) was the Allman Brothers Band. More specifically, I went to see their guitarist, Duane Allman, the only "rock" guitarist I had heard up to that point who could solo on a one-chord vamp for as long as half an hour or more, and not only avoid boring you but keep you absolutely riveted. Duane was a rare melodist and a dedicated student of music who was never evasive about the sources of his inspiration. "You know," he told me one night after soaring for hours on wings of lyrical song, "that kind of playing comes from Miles and Coltrane, and particularly Kind Of Blue. I've listened to that album so many times that for the past couple of years, I haven't hardly listened to anything else." |
Don't be sorry Inna, I was just testing your "jazz tolerance". Yusef Lateef and "Sister Mamie" has been one of my favorites for ages. According to me, if that's your opinion of that tune, which incorporates some of the Eastern rhythms you like, jazz is just not your thing, but I'm only one individual. Would any other Aficionados like to weigh in on this debate; how do you rate this tune; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uE65pr0JoHA |
Today's Listen: John Coltrane -- COLTRANE PLAYS THE BLUES https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcexSplg1vs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6etY5OdCK9Q How did we get from this, to 'Stellar Regions'. McCoy Tyner never gets the credit he deserved. Cheers |
Mary Jo: *****From your previous statement I guess that you equal the ideas of communism with the regime of Stalin in Soviet Union. Communism in it’s true definition (moneyless, stateless, classless) never existed. What was in former SSSR was the abuse of communism ideas. ***** Not at all. Never mentioned Stalin. I equate communism with the teachings and philosophy of Marx and Engels. Their ideas are bad enough as it is, Stalin’s attempt to implement them just shows how evil they are. You are right, in saying, it all goes against human nature. We in this country are still fighting back. Hence The Donald. Free men aren’t equal, and equal men aren’t free. Cheers |
pjw, your link to Coltrane/Byrds didn't work. I remember a McGuinn interview on some PBS program where he talked about the influence of Coltrane but I couldn't find that. Here it is at least mentioned in the notes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yanXhomzFd8 There has been a fair bit of jazz influence on rock, Joni Mitchell, Jeff Beck, even Brian Wilson (The Four Freshmen influenced his love for harmony singing) are just a few examples. |
Love the Woody Shaw! "Stepping Sones " should be in every Jazz fans collection. Mary Jo, all forms of government work as long as the government is benevolent to the people. All forms of government fail because we as a species are selfish. This should be interesting. A little blues to start the day. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ku3ZQoRHwL0 |
pjw, I figured out why your recording (I have the original lp) doesn’t include “You’ve Changed”. At first I thought that the clip you posted may have been a bootleg and the reason it wasn’t on the record. The answer is that I made an error in thinking it was from the Vanguard date that I attended and was recorded for the Columbia, “Homecoming” lp. As the info for your clip shows, it was from a Village Gate date a few weeks earlier. My bad. I had completely forgotten about that record from the Village Gate date. The Village Gate has been gone for a long time; out of sight, out of mind I guess. Great and legendary place, though. The last time I was there was to catch Nat Adderly’s group shortly before it shut down. Btw, Woody Shaw and Freddie Hubbard recorded two albums together. “The Eternal Triangle” and “Double Take”. The clip I posted (”The Moontrane”) is from the lp “The Eternal Triangle”. The album cover pic with my clip is of the rerelease of the two as a double album. The original “The Eternal Triangle” with original cover art: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WTpho8u0_Gc&list=PLyHn3f7-9IUJ6s13cKFFG-5BdBOZXJmYi&t=0s&i... The original “The Moontrane”, title tune on Shaw’s earlier solo lp. In some ways I like it even better than the version with Freddie; slightly slower and relaxed: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tgjTnRcxOJA One of my favorite versions of the great tune from one of the greatest little known records. “Unity”, Larry Young, Elvin Jones, Woody Shaw, Joe Henderson. NOT the original cover art: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IwOIVQVVhwg Another from that same record with correct cover art: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GYQNsuzMXiQ Btw, I agree with the reviewer re Tal Wilkenfeld. I know her from her work with Jeff Beck and I don’t get the appeal. Even her time keeping is just ok. And, in the company of a tone master like Beck, even her tone is bland. As you say, he champions young players and I’m sure she’ll continue to grow. |
frogman, Good morning and thanks for that Freddie/Woody link. I was unaware they recorded an album. Just bought it on discogs! That show with Dexter Gordon that you were at was recorded. I have the CD. I don’t know how many nights they played but the double disc I have does not include You’ve Changed. Its a great album just wish that song was on it. Bringing up "influence" again I read somewhere that Duane Allman wore out his copy of KOB and was heavily influenced by Miles. And John Coltrane also influenced many musicians of another genre. I am not a musician so I do not understand "musician talk" A minor, B, Scales, chord progressions, chromatics ect. is alien to me and I love music so much sometimes I wish I could relate to all that. Here are 2 examples. Both taken from YouTube reviews and the reviewers must have some musical background. The first is a comparative analysis of John Coltrane and The Byrds. The second is a poor review of Tal Wilkenfeld. I have the Jeff Beck bluray Live at Ronnie Scotts with Tal on the bass and to me she sounds ok. In this link she is playing with Herbie Hancock. Like many rock & roll fans and musicologists I purchase this on vinyl eons ago as part of my exploration of the music of the Byrds. McGuinn and Crosby mentioned, and continue to mention, John Coltrane in so many interviews it was impossible to not become curious. Three would have been no modal McGuinn legendary 12-string Rickenbacker solo on Eight Miles High without Coltrane...…. Coltrane/Byrds Complete review here: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B006A9XRYG/?coliid=I25MRF8KHHBYIN&colid=2MJEFFF7AFXNS&psc=0 Herbie and Tal review: Noope, Herbie is not following her. She is decent but way overrated, nowhere in the class of these musicians. She’s playing a lot of chromatics which are easy and you can get away with in a tune like this. No multiple key changes. Herbie as well as Jeff Beck are wonderful human beings as well as great musicians and they love giving younger budding musicians like her a good start. How far some of these younger players get is on them if they study and work hard. She has a good feel and groove; that’s what matters here. She’s ok but don’t act like she’s the best thing since the wheel and in a class like Jaco, Clarke, and many others...………… Here is the video with the complete review. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7qra_nlWEs Here is Tal soloing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TaNayM_BRQ |
mary-jo, in America, pronounced "Merica", the vast majority of people are total morons when it comes to politics, and they bandy about words like "Socialism", and "Communism" without a clue as to the actual definition of the words. We "Mericans" have been taught those are bad words, by the people in Washington, and we always believe what the people in Washington DC tell us. That's why they can rob us and loot the treasury; by the way, they punish snitches like me; maybe that's why the citizens choose to stay dumb. |
Rok, you gotta be kidding me man...From your previous statement I guess that you equal the ideas of communism with the regime of Stalin in Soviet Union. Communism in it's true definition (moneyless, stateless, classless) never existed. What was in former SSSR was the abuse of communism ideas. Of course, the capitalism benefited from such scenario. People think that they would live like in North Korea with no possibility for individual freedom if they would embrace communism. Actually, the ideas of moneyless, stateless and classless society will never happen. It's just not in human nature. In human nature is: exploit, abuse, conquer, destroy, enslave. So no worries. Let's get back to jazz... ....great clips pjw and that Moontrane is my kind of jazz... Stan Getz - Lullaby of Birdland https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ng4Ggwkr5gk&app=desktop |
Today's Listen: Mary Lou Williams -- LIVE AT THE COOKERY Includes a Jazz tune titled 'Praise The Lord', don't get no better than that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=titcI_y8LVw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rez4rZ-Dnxc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB8d8SlpYAc This woman goes back a ways. Check the boogie woogie. I apologize for the obvious Iranian and Mongolian 'influences'. Cheers |
Great clips! Thanks. And what a blast from the past! I was there for that date at the Vanguard! I’m showing my age. Had just moved to Fla to go to college and was back in NY for a family wedding and a HS buddy took me to hear Dexter on his big return from Europe. Fantastic night. One of my very favorite trumpet players with a very distinctive style that always struck me as “saxophonic”. Almost Coltranish in the way he used a lot of wide intervals in his phrases; less linear than most other trumpet players. I posted this a while back; Kenny Garrett sounds wonderful: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QNLLFmGL6y0 On the Blakey big band clip (great!), besides the featured players I recognized: Trumpets: Randy Brecker, Mike Mossman Bones: Robin Eubanks, Slide Hampton Saxophones: Bobby Watson, Billy Pierce, George Adams, Jimmy Heath (?) |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eiAxyf1R_0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5yJndPO6QI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1xBPl72u8A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss491e7C2gQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Km3H-dqjC8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NByhKoNBgdY The featured musicians on the last 2 links is like an All Star line up! |
***** this thread’s inception is how its possible for an individual to go year after year alienating others that he interacts with and never appear to contemplate the possibility that maybe, just maybe, there is a problem at his end; either with his views, his social interaction skills, or both.***** Well, we started, back in 2013, with 0-10, The Frogman, Acman3, Rok2id, and Learsfool. All except Learsfool are still present and accounted for. Who did I alienate? Cheers |
******It’s alright, Rok; straight ahead. I have no illusions about your willingness to recognize that your “truth(fullness”) is just that...yours, and yours only. I could offer other references in further rebuttal, but it would be pointless. What has been striking for me since this thread’s inception is how its possible for an individual to go year after year alienating others that he interacts with and never appear to contemplate the possibility that maybe, just maybe, there is a problem at his end; either with his views, his social interaction skills, or both. Anyway, as I said, straight ahead. Peace.********* Thanks frogman, I couldn't have said it any better myself |
True. Amazing how much Django could say with just two fingers. On the other hand (pun) one can say a great deal with just one. I think Django still had the use of that one 😉 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ308aOOX04 |
I understand that something is missing by what you are looking for, but how in the world can you say his audience knows something is missing? Please read the comments and you will find out what his audience thinks of his playing. 90 unsolicited fans, making comments like best ever and next level. The reason in the past we have used quotes from Jazz musicians to verify our stance is they are from musicians who were actually playing with the musicians we are discussing . These people who were there should be better witnesses than us speculating 70 years later. |
Bireli Lagrene: The guy is a virtuoso. He can really play the guitar. Didn't see too much emotion from him, and didn't hear too much in the music. But it was good. On the TV series 'Star Trek: Next Generation' there is character called DATA. He is an Android. He plays the violin. He can play perfectly any music ever written on his violin. He can even play in the style of any of the great violinist in history. Imitate them perfectly. But, he, and his audiences, know that something is missing. Cheers |
