Jazz for aficionados
Jazz for aficionados
I'm going to review records in my collection, and you'll be able to decide if they're worthy of your collection. These records are what I consider "must haves" for any jazz aficionado, and would be found in their collections. I wont review any record that's not on CD, nor will I review any record if the CD is markedly inferior. Fortunately, I only found 1 case where the CD was markedly inferior to the record.
Our first album is "Moanin" by Art Blakey and The Jazz Messengers. We have Lee Morgan , trumpet; Benney Golson, tenor sax; Bobby Timmons, piano; Jymie merrit, bass; Art Blakey, drums.
The title tune "Moanin" is by Bobby Timmons, it conveys the emotion of the title like no other tune I've ever heard, even better than any words could ever convey. This music pictures a person whose down to his last nickel, and all he can do is "moan".
"Along Came Betty" is a tune by Benny Golson, it reminds me of a Betty I once knew. She was gorgeous with a jazzy personality, and she moved smooth and easy, just like this tune. Somebody find me a time machine! Maybe you knew a Betty.
While the rest of the music is just fine, those are my favorite tunes. Why don't you share your, "must have" jazz albums with us.
Enjoy the music.
I'm going to review records in my collection, and you'll be able to decide if they're worthy of your collection. These records are what I consider "must haves" for any jazz aficionado, and would be found in their collections. I wont review any record that's not on CD, nor will I review any record if the CD is markedly inferior. Fortunately, I only found 1 case where the CD was markedly inferior to the record.
Our first album is "Moanin" by Art Blakey and The Jazz Messengers. We have Lee Morgan , trumpet; Benney Golson, tenor sax; Bobby Timmons, piano; Jymie merrit, bass; Art Blakey, drums.
The title tune "Moanin" is by Bobby Timmons, it conveys the emotion of the title like no other tune I've ever heard, even better than any words could ever convey. This music pictures a person whose down to his last nickel, and all he can do is "moan".
"Along Came Betty" is a tune by Benny Golson, it reminds me of a Betty I once knew. She was gorgeous with a jazzy personality, and she moved smooth and easy, just like this tune. Somebody find me a time machine! Maybe you knew a Betty.
While the rest of the music is just fine, those are my favorite tunes. Why don't you share your, "must have" jazz albums with us.
Enjoy the music.
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The Count on the Duke: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Bnwv4OYRs3k And: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0ifhia1YzCQ **** Were the Ellington and Basie Bands actually combined? **** Yes |
I come to this forum because I love hearing about others views on music. I find it educating and it has forced me to stretch my jazz knowledge especially as it pertains to the bebop era. Again I just want it to be about the music I find others views to be so interesting. Never meant to pour gas on anything just shared my concern. cheers |
I understand you being upset over the deaths during Katrina, however I think you are upset at the wrong people. Most deaths in hurricanes are caused by the storm surge i.e. the water that is pushed ashore by the force of the hurricane winds. Flooding. The winds look dramatic on TV, but most of the deaths are caused by drowning. Therefore, most people are killed DURING the hurricane. What happens after a hurricane, is giving people water, food, shelter and medical attention. The military can be useful at doing that, but so can the state National Guard. Most People died during Katrina due to the total corruption and incompetence of local and state government. After all the warnings, There was no organization. No plan. No evacuation. I think that clown they called mayor had laid on 12 school buses. WTF?? The total corruption of that city was exposed. Cops did not report for work and / or joined the looters. Contrast that with the NYPD on 9/11. And this is key, people died in the attics of their homes trying to stay above the water. They were trapped and died there. Where were the locals to help direct the rescuers to the correct houses? To account for missing people? Those that managed to cut thru the roofs were taken off by military helicopters. In the 9th ward it was every person for themselves. The young and strong survived, the old and weak were left behind. Not by the President, but by their "friends and neighbors" and local politicians. The young strong ones, who knew the local lay of the land and could have helped the trapped people, were busy lifting 75" flat screen TVs. In the end, people died due to the indifference of their fellow citizens. The citizens of New Orleans. They just didn’t care about each other. Cheers |
Food for thought: Katrina made landfall at Bay St. Louis, Mississippi. That town no longer exists. At least not immediately after the storm. There was not even any debris left. But, this is a political storm, so no one cares about the folks in Mississippi. Hurricanes still form off the coast of Africa EVERY YEAR, and head towards the Coasts of North and Central America and the Islands of the Caribbean. New Orleans is STILL 10 feet below sea level. Water STILL cannot be compressed You do the math. Better hope that next time there is a Republican in the White House. Otherwise, who do we blame??? :( Cheers ; |
Here is something by Don Cherry that's music to my ears, I hope you like it; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuwDDz933ZI Charles Earland is drifting; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cei2nxUhhB4 Enjoy the music. |
We seem to be stuck in Newport. No room for solos by Tyner on this one. Today's Listen: John Coltrane -- NEWPORT '63 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7T-pTv8ZlaM Trane once told Miles that once he started soloing he didn't know how to stop. Miles suggested he try taking the horn out of his mouth. Cheers |
frog, I had the pleasure of hearing Basie and band on what may have been his last tour, sometime in the early '80s. He came on stage in a small electric scooter/chair. But once he transferred to the piano bench there was no limitation. The music swung hard and steady all evening! ;^) Regarding Cherry o10, this is from one of the Old and New Dreams albums I have. They are high on my list. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUSVOADQObM |
Pryso, I told you we had almost identical collections, and that's another one I bought when it came out. That's the longest cut which means it's probably my favorite. I appreciate that music now, more than I did when I bought it; part of that is due to my understanding of the music, and the other part is the fact that every forum on "Audiogon" is part of the composite of an "Audiophile", and after many years, when it all comes together in one rig, and one mind, we are closer to the ultimate in music than we think. Happy listening. |
Bluesy41, This is the entrance exam to be a true 'Aficionado'. Give us your thoughts on this clip. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__wMmONt5FM Cheers |
Well o10, here's an album I bought in the early '60s. I considered it "pretty far out" at the time but soon came to enjoy it. So you can see that Old and New Dreams's recordings were a natural progression for me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNbD1JIH344 Also it was my growing music collection that led me to becoming an audiofool in the hopes of enjoying it more. That happened over the years and decades, but the music is still the basic catalyst. |
This Bud is just for you Rok; this is what was done for people half way across the world http://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/135288/amc-aircraft-people-support- This is what was done for the predominately Black citizens of New Orleans. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCDJ3vxMHdo Young educated African Americans are going to "Viet Nam"; they are going to "South Africa"; they are going to Cambodia, Thailand; they are getting out of Dodge. They got the message, it's time to leave town. BLAME THE VICTIM FOR THE CRIME; what else is new? "This is not the forum" I served for four years in the outfit that was trained to respond to disasters like New Orleans; I earned the right to respond on any forum I please. |
Frogman, one time you blamed Rok's controversial comments for the lack of posters; he left for a year and it got worse. After that you blamed me, I left and it went to 0; it seems that you couldn't keep things going alone, but I'm sure you don't remember that. My posts pertain to things that should be important to citizens of this country who value "Democracy", not "Autocracy"; who is minding the store? If we can not discuss music and other things important to this Democracy, maybe it's time for this thread to die. |
Ella is awesome. She can't help but be. The orchestra does not seem to have that 'Ellington" sound. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3ADroVuFwM Cheers |
O-10, this will be my last response re this issue. The history of this thread proves handily that nothing is gained by instigating this type of discussion and that the main motivator for doing so is no more than a selfish personal need to show to “the world” how righteously “compassionate” you are. To my way of thinking, and since it could not be more obvious that those who want to engage are in the minority, combined with the fact that there is opposition to straying from the thread’s stated purpose, the answer is obvious: discuss it privately. But, no! You want to make sure that everyone knows about your views and about your “compassion”; views that I and others strongly believe are off the mark and not rooted in reality. Bottom line: by all means continue to do this if you feel a personal need to do so. Obviously, no one except the moderators can stop you or anyone from going there, but don’t be surprised when reading opposition to going down that path instead of sticking to the subject of music. **** My posts pertain to things that should be important to citizens of this country who value "Democracy", **** Have you no idea just how arrogant and condescending that comment is to someone who simply has a different view from yours? Your posts are of value to me (and probably others) precisely because I value democracy. In my book much of what you post is further proof of the dangers TO democracy as things stand currently. However, do you really think that this thread is where the problems will be solved? Where common ground will be found? On a music forum, with all its limitations of expression; especially when there is zero indication that there is at least some willingness to consider a dissenting point of view? Right! As is usual in human nature we see what we want to see; and how we want to see it. I have not “blamed” you nor Rok for anything. I have previously pointed out, from my perspective, what I believe an honest look at how some of the unfortunate interaction here has affected posters’ participation would show; and I don’t absolve myself. Go over the posts on this thread, early and recent, and you will easily find that many stopped posting because of negative, provocative or insulting comments on the part of some. The facts bear this out. Why this should be a surprise is beyond me. Who would want to subject him/her self to that nonsense? Moreover, your recollection of the number of participants during the periods in question is also inaccurate. Again, go over the post history. **** If we can not discuss music and other things important to this Democracy, maybe it's time for this thread to die. **** Now we get to the crux of the matter. Really?! All the talk about being an “advanced aficionado” and how unique and insightful we are (yes, Rok, go over the posts if you don’t remember). All the proclamations about how important this music is to you and on and on....and you are willing to let it die because you can’t discuss your views on social justice? I see. Of course, one of the main problems with that expectation is that there is seldom any real “discussion”. A lot of statements and proclamations, but little discussion. Nobody is stopping you O-10. As far as the thread dying? I doubt it. The thread will survive ANYONE of us. That’s a good thing, no? Regards. |
I am used to the 'Ellington Reeds' having a prominent place in his music. I guess with a singer, the arrangements are different. But that is an old picture, could it be that he had not developed his signature sound at that time. Not a criticism of the music. Who the hell can be critical of Ellington? Certainly not this musical peon. Cheers |
I believe that was 1957 and the band’s “sound” was pretty well established by then. I know what you mean about the prominence of the reeds and you’re right: ****I guess with a singer, the arrangements are different.**** More “generic” in order to feature the singer. The band’s distinguishing traits are a lot more subtle in that arrangement, like Harry Carney’s huge baritone sound leading on the opening chords and Jimmy Hamilton’s clarinet with that beautiful “classically trained” tone that he had. Ella sounds sublime. Love that recording. |
"views that I and others strongly believe are off the mark and not rooted in reality." Was what you saw on TV fantasy or reality? Frogman, I wish I was you; playing with my nice rig, and listening to good music (not that I don't have both) but the difference is the fact that I am aware of many more "realities" than you, and they keep disturbing me. My posts will make about as much difference as another drop of water in the Pacific Ocean, but this is who I am and what I do; now back to the music. Acman, was that your version of "Back to the music"? This is what's playing where I am; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BJNxVf_iLM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF_Kwdmg1Cg |
Frogman, what you have not stated speaks volumes about who you are, what you have not looked at speaks volumes about who you are. Did you look at the two links I presented? As far as I'm concerned, your posts confirm all of my thesis in regard to the "United States of America". "If you see a lynching folks, just look the other way". If you see Black bodies floating all over New Orleans just look the other way. They sent the "Keystone Cops" and a bunch of stooges to New Orleans, while they sent the "A" Team half way around the world; would you care to comment on that FACT Frogman? |
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Schubert, this is not the country we were raised to believe in. I had one uncle who went crazy in the Burma Campaign because of the snakes. I had another uncle who fought in "The Battle of The Bulge", he told me about bullets whistling past his ears, and seeing bloody soldiers falling to the left and right of him; the order was to "charge", and that's what they did. He was certain that each minute would be his last. I could see fear and determination in his eyes when he told me this. For four years I trained at Scott AFB to respond to disasters, only to see the outfit I trained with, to go to the Pacific Ocean, and not to New Orleans where they could have saved so many lives; you think I'm not upset; especially when everything is getting worse, including reaction to injustice. |
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True, I carried the M-16 rifle , the civilian version is the AR-15 that murdered the kids in FL, for 18 months, was badly wounded and know what these weapons of war are for, to kill people . . Those who love our country are like good parents , they see the faults and try to correct them . They never say the fight is over, they always fight on . You are a good American fighting the good fight on your front . |
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At the bottom of one of the Chico links was this one, certainly worth including here if it never has been - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbaGDDbpcQ4 Which raises an interesting point. An album can be released, sell moderately well, then sort of disappear. Somehow, years later it is "discovered" and becomes a classic. If it was later featured in a movie soundtrack I could better understand it, but otherwise how does that happen? Quite unlike some such as "Kind of Blue" or "Time Out", classics which have held their popularity since their introduction. And yes, not only true with jazz. It certainly has happened with pop/rock albums too. So maybe a poll, name your favorite "rediscovered" jazz album. ;^) |
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"Stolen Moments" is one of the most incredible tunes in jazz, and now I can savor each note. By the way Pryso, I just acquired 2 pair of Telefunken Black Diamond E88CC / 6922. Not the expensive NOS but new ones with the same number. One pair for the phono, and another pair for the pre; that really upped my game. I just thought I would pass this along just in case you can use them. |
@rok2id Sorry for the delay as I just saw your question. This is not fair as this was one of my moms favorite albums when I was growing up. The Bey family had the churchy vocals with a great jazz and blues feel. This album is a classic and it speaks directly to how rich the music was back in the 50’s and 60’s. Kenny Burrell’s guitar meshed well with the elegant playing of the sax. I can’t believe I was listening to jazz at such an early age of my life and to be honest I bet my mom didn’t either. |
rok, often I appreciate your recommendations here. But I must admit I was a bit taken aback by your statement, "You will be amazed at the number of 'so-called' Aficionados, that just don't get it." Not to start another controversy here but that suggests we should all like/approve the same music or else we get excluded from the club. As an example I've admitted to here earlier, I don't hold Ellington in the same esteem as most jazz fans. I certainly appreciate his talent, what he created, and what he means to the world of jazz. But I simply don't enjoy listening to his band/orchestra as much as many, many other artists. I think it is called personal taste. However prior to discovering this post I never would have called myself an "aficionado" anyway. ;^) |