Frogman, "Bengal And Beyond", including the sax works for me. Afro Cuban is just another one of the many fusions that work with jazz. On this tune I like the jazzy vocalizing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUFqUur7bZgNow let us compare "Bengal And Beyond" to the Dave Brubeck Quartet from the album "Jazz Impressions of Eurasia" doing Calcutta Blues. I'm comparing the fusion of jazz with Indian music and how well it works. At the same time I'm illustrating what was done by a master, long before "Bengal And Beyond" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qNlHh4FiZoEnjoy the music. |
Just noticed someone mentioned the tune "Angel Eyes" a couple of days ago. For all those who have not heard it, you MUST listen to Ella's rendition of this on her 40th Birthday Concert album, which was recorded live in Rome. Fantastic album, by the way, one of her very best, and that tune is one of the highlights of it. |
Rok, you asked me what kind of music I liked besides jazz, well occasionally I get religion and want to go to Saturday Night Church; this is what it's all about. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9W3PcsjFBoEnjoy the music. |
I can't turn my back for five minutes, and you guys are right back in that third world stuff. I thought you had all been converted to the real deal. Remember, it don't mean a thing, if.........
Looking for Religion? May i suggest this!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOU38qRJPok
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Normally I own all the CDs I 'review'. These are exceptions. But not for long. High quality Video, Audio and Performances.
I recommend anything by Bebo Valdes. I Discovered Diego El Cigala thru BBC music magazine article. He and Bebo are awesome together, as is Bebo and Chucho Valdes. These guys are 'serious' musicians. No jeans with holes in the knees here. Check it out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJGPlSrbUbg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzKhwmFq6jM
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Olatunji: Now that's a blast from the past. I have that tune on his 'Drums of Passion' CD.
I listened to him back in my Dylan, Baez, Saint-marie, (the young have all the answers) Phase.
The drumming is good. I just get tired, and quickly, of the repetitive chant. Esp since I have not a clue as to what he is saying.
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Rok, I like crispy fried chicken, and I also like the same kind of classic jazz as you, but I don't want either one of them every day. Here is an artist that rarely tread well worn paths in regard to her jazz, even her instrument of choice, jazz harp was a bit unusual. Along with Alice Coltrane, Dorothy Ashby extended the popularization of jazz harp past a novelty, showing how the instrument can be utilized seamlessly as much a bebop instrument as the saxophone. Her albums were of the jazz genre, but often moved into R&B, world and other musics, especially on her 1970 album The Rubaiyat of Dorothy Ashby, where she demonstrates her talents on another instrument, the Japanese koto, successfully integrating it into jazz. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lY8k9sFZNwAEnjoy the music. |
O-10:
Very good. I like Dorothy Ashby. I listened to 'Misty' and 'House of The Rising Sun' along with the link you sent.
The harp did not sound out of place in the least. She had good players in the group also.
Music like this and you just know there are / will be, many CDs.
Some tunes / groups, you just know you are listening to what will be their entire output. I will have to get some of her stuff and read her history.
Thanks for the tip.
Jazz makes up about one third of my toatal number of CDs. So Like you, I listen to other stuff also. This thread got me back to Jazz more than I would have normally.
Today, it was, Haydn- The London Symphonies Vol 1 and the A Cappella group, The Persuasions.(A cappella soul) Both Great!
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Rok, I don't know why, but classical music instantly causes flash-backs of the movie "Clockwork Orange".
Good music is just that "Good Music", no matter what the genre. I've been hearing the name "Conway Twitty" since I can remember, but he has never been on my "playlist"; now, thanks to you, he's on my "A" playlist. Find the best and leave the rest.
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One of the most beautiful things I have heard in a while. Very distinctive tenor sound and an interpretation of this great tune that is intimate, tender, and intelligent. Charles Lloyd is without question one of the greats. Jason Moran on piano is wonderful. A great pairing. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jzcfobcXnXg |
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http://www.pbs.org/newshour/businessdesk/2013/06/how-to-conduct-beethoven-and-m.html
Very interesting. There was also a segment on PBS today concerning the pay scales and job oppourtunities for classical musicians, dancers and singers in the US. I could not find it online. it's worth searching for.
Bottom line, you do it,(classical artistic stuff) because you love it, cause you sure aren't going to make any money doing it. Europe is an exception. Seems as if 50% of our best go work there.
But at least we got our RAP!!! So there!
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Frogman, that is nice. I do not see it on vinyl, but will get it anyway.
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Rok, very few people realize what RAP is. It's not music, it's a social statement about The United States of America, made by a "Sub Culture" created by "The United States of America". 100 plus years of social and economic deprivation has resulted in a culture that's reflected by RAP; just listen to the lyrics and you'll see what I mean.
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*****very few people realize what RAP is. It's not music***
You joshing me?? hahahahaha
Well based on your statement, I am one of the chosen few!
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BTW, saw a thingy on tv today about local RAPPERS in the Republic of Georgia. It's everywhere, it's everywhere! |
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Malaguena -- was on one of the first Classical records I owned. A 101 strings LP. One of my favorites. I am am now searching for an up to date recording , orchestral, of the great Spanish music. The CD of the 101 strings' 'Soul of Spain' sounds horrible.
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The subject of RAP makes my head hurt. I am not prepared to say that it is not music, but I do know that if it is music, it is not music that I can relate to nor want to relate to. It doesn't fit my, and most traditional, definitions of music (no melody/harmony), but it certainly occupies a place in current culture that more traditional musics have previously; obviously, particularly in the segement of our population that gave birth to it. I agree with much of Orpheus10's characterization of it in that it is a social statement, but it seems to me that it represents far more than a subculture; it is now pervasive in our culture. As Rok points out, it is everywhere. And how sad it is that the generation and ethnic group that supports it primarily are so clueless about the incredibly rich musical history that they are neglecting instead; much of it discussed in this thread. |
Orpheus10, completely agree about Lecuona; some of the most beautiful.
An honest and well intended observation about a previous comment you made:
*****Am I the only person who finds it difficult to appreciate "solo" piano; where's the bass, where's the saxophone, where's the something besides a lone piano. No reflection on the music or the artist, but a personal observation of my perception of music; I need a combination of instruments.
While it's been nice to hear Kaper's music played on solo piano by Kaper, this listener requires a band in order for the music to project a wide range of emotions, and get me involved.*****
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Check this out. Killer arrangement, smoking rhythm section and great solos. Love the way that Valdes relaxes the time feel when he plays the well-known Zawinal melody over the drummer's simple but relentless and driving groove. Great stuff! http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x2W8gbBzvUU |
I think we can say that RAP was hijacked. In the beginning it was good, even great. Sort of like an urban version of Dylan.
Then folks figured out you didn't much to do it. No talent or musical training. Anyone with a loud foul mouth could do it. Lot of money to be made with little overhead.
But if you don't understand the 'RAP' phenomenon, just remember the advice of Deep Throat, 'Follow the Money'!
I have a CD by Ice-T and Quincy Jones that is not too bad. Even has 'Birdland' on it. Ice-T raps.
If you want the real deal, try 'The last Poets'. I warn you, not to everyone's taste, but great and painfully accurate commentary on inner city life. From the 70s, but sadly, still revelant. And they point the finger at the correct people. Truly urban Dylan.
Currently listening to Woody Shaw's WOODY III. Will report later.
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"Aficionados", you're conflating "RAP" with social commentary. "The Last Poets" was social commentary, Gil Scott-Heron would turn over in his grave if you called him a "Rapper". Is poetry "RAP"? Not all words spoken in rhyme and rythm are "RAP".
It's the intellectual content of the "Rap" that distinguishes one rap from another. "RAP" is almost exclusively about bitches, ho's and the low life style of pimps and thugs in as vulgar a language as possible.
Get real, we're talking gang life culture that's exploited for what it's worth, that's "RAP"; however, when we blame the people caught up in that culture, we're blaming the victim for the crime.
Once upon a time, there were people called "sociologist" who worked hard to explain, and prevent thug culture from spreading; but it was much cheaper not to hire people who worked to remedy the cause of the problem, and let the people deal with it as best they could.
Although this culture is closely related to poverty, the culture remains even after the artists have become millionaires, as we have witnessed; but to understand how people caught up in that culture are the victims as opposed to the criminals is beyond current thinking in this society. "Rap" goes far beyond music or social commentary.
Now you see how easy it is to "just enjoy the music".
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O-10,
If you disagree with my post, Read my first sentence again. If you are in agreement with my post, then never mind.
The poets were rappers. They just talked about different and important things with intelligence, using street language. What they created was later 'hijacked' by the thugs who turned it into the ho thingy. Just as bebop somehow ended up being 'FREE'.
The thing is defined by the first, not the current. They just corrupted it.
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Frogman was the last person to submit music on this "music" forum, he submitted "Chucho Valdes". Now I know why that name confuses me; his father was Bebo Valdes, jazz ran in the blood of the Valdes family. Before that, I posted "Ernesto Lecuona", who was a prolific composer of songs for music and films. Ruben Gonzalez performs "Siboney" by Lecuona. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3F7SCs3UtwHere is more of Lecuona's music by Catrena Valente. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_N4wfVdw-8Enjoy the music. |
Orpheus & Rok2id - hopefully not completely hijacking this thread but possibly taking it on a little off road excursion that iwill get it back to your intended course in short order....
The recent exchange about "rap" reminded me of something I heard on WXPN (adult alternative public radio out of Phila.) several years ago. It was, I think, a "pre-rap" song the gist of the lyric being that Jesus was a black man...went into some detail on His lineage justifying this take on Him. VERY powerful and literate. I'd love to listen to it again but have not been able to find it. My sense of the period it was from is probably late '60s maybe '70s. I have searched old radical black groups,black poets from the era to no avail. Hoping this might trigger a memory with you. Thanks in advance. |
Orpheus & Rok2id - hopefully not completely hijacking this thread but possibly taking it on a little off road excursion that will get it back to your intended course in short order....
The recent exchange about "rap" reminded me of something I heard on WXPN (adult alternative public radio out of Phila.) several years ago. It was, I think, a "pre-rap" song the gist of the lyric being that Jesus was a black man...went into some detail on His lineage justifying this take on Him. VERY powerful and literate. I'd love to listen to it again but have not been able to find it. My sense of the period it was from is probably late '60s maybe '70s. I have searched old radical black groups & black poets from the era to no avail. Hoping this might trigger a memory with you. Thanks in advance. |
Sorry for the double post above. But, Rok2id, YES! a group like the Last Poets might have done what I heard but as best I can tell what I'm looking for was not by them. Please advise if otherwise Thank again. |
Ghosthouse:
Sorry, but it does not ring a bell with me. That was a 'crazy' time. lots of folks, saying lots of stuff. But a very creative period.
My sister sent me the Last Poets LP as a gift a lifetime ago. I later got it on CD. If you ever need an example of what being 'political Incorrect' means, this be it!!
I think they were from Philly. Sorry I could not be of more help with what you are looking for. Thanks for the post.
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Rok-not to worry. Thanks for the reply. We'll get it figured out. Hoping maybe Orpheus has an idea. Crazy times indeed. Creativity busting out all over. In the intervening years...money & lawyers have f'd up a lot of things
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*****Frogman was the last person to submit music on this "music" forum******
Well hush my mouth.
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How did it happen that the American public has gotten so far away from being able to appreciate production values like this. The feeling of sensuality in that scene is amazing. Today we get explicit sexuality as an attempt to make up the for the absence of the art of simplicity and subtlety. The music (and playing) is fabulous, perfectly appropriate and beautiful. And what a gorgeous woman that dancer is!
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Sensuality is such a rare quality I couldn't even find an adequate definition. Although we know it when we see, hear, or feel that state of being, words can't quite express it; music, however is much better at expressing "sensuality". "She is Michelle" by Gato Barbieri is a good example for me. What music expresses this quality for you? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0SZ4rE-QJoEnjoy the music. |
That was a nice clip, Orpheus! They were hoping Abbe Lane would possibly be another Rita Hayworth, but that obviously did not pan out. She wasn't the dancer Hayworth was, and she certainly didn't have the acting chops. She sang better, though - she is actually more famous for that - she performed with alot of big bands in that era, though I don't think she actually recorded much. |
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What a coincident, I was listening to Nancy in the car on my way home; yes, she's very sensual. You and Leersfool have given me a new perspective on the same music I've been listening to for all of my life. Take "On Green Dolphin Street" for example; I never gave any thought as to who composed it, now I'm listening to solo piano by Bronislaw Kaper, the composer of this beautiful tune. When played by him, the music takes on a lighter than air quality, the notes just float. While this music tells a story that I'm unaware of, that's just as well because it allows me to invent my story for the music. One thing is certain, I get a glorious feeling when I'm "On Green Dolphin Street". Now I'm going to give you Miles Davis's "On Green Dolphin Street". First, we have the lush beautiful intro by Bill Evans on piano, followed by Miles trumpet, and Trane's improvisation. All of these musicians show great respect for the composer. That lets me know the depth of their musical knowledge. Once again, I get that glorious feeling from being "On Green Dolphin Street". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrVnm66joQkEnjoy the music. |
Hi Orpehus - I happened to come across a photo today of the woman who recorded much of the singing for Rita Hayworth in her musicals - Nan Wynn. Didn't look up a discography for her or anything, just happened across the name and thought you might be interested. |
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The Frogman:
EXCELLENT!! This is one of the most refreshing and encouraging things I have seen from the young folks in years. The Nicholas Brothers circa the 21st century!?!? The great stuff stays great forever!
The Jazz was great also. But it was hard to seperate the music from the dance, which is, as it should be. A Seamless performance.
My Father used to have shoes like those. He had Black and White and Brown and White. My job, shine them!
Great clip. Thanks.
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That was fantastic, and I liked the interpretation, also I will get her album "Heavy Falls The Night". Where is everybody? I was asking the same question. I left something "On Green Dolphin Street" for you and Leersfool that neither one of you picked up on, so I figured everyone was on vacation.
Glad to see you back Rok.
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*******Glad to see you back Rok.*******
O-10,
I never went away. Lately I have been doing a little more Baching than Bopping.
But, The Frogman pulled me back in! Godfather III. :)
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Orpheus10, that recording of "On Green Dolphin Street" is classic; jazz just doesn't get better than this. Agree about Evan's intro. He was one of those pianists that had such a distinctive tone on the piano; an instrument that one thinks has a "built in" tone. There was a sense of melancholy and introspection in most of what he played. Technically speaking, that lush, even subdued quality in his sound was due partly to his preference for not highlighting any one note in a chord; each note of a chord was perfectly balanced with the others. Many players stress or play louder either the top note or some other note of the chord voicing; this produces a different color/feeling. For me, the highlight of the recording is Trane. When he makes his entrance it is as if the sun suddenly comes up; it's a beautiful moment. It has been mentioned many times that one of the things that made Miles brilliant was his ability to assemble players that, while possessing clearly distinctive styles, created ensembles with a rare ability to compliment each other in spite of their differences of style. Great stuff. |
Loved the Garth Fagan clip. Thanks. |
Frogman, that came out in 58, and from that time forward I collected many LP's with Bill Evans as a sideman. My young life was fast and frenetic, consequently I only noticed the most famous players I recognized on an LP. Not too long ago, I was wandering "Who is Bill Evans"? Not realizing how many LP's I owned with him as a sideman. My point in mentioning this is that Bill never called attention to himself, he simply made everyone else's music sound better.
Beyond any shadow of a doubt, Miles greatest talent, was recognizing talent in new musicians.
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******* Miles greatest talent, was recognizing talent in new musicians********
I always thought that title went to Blakey. Just glancing at the Miles CDs I have on the desk, 'Milestones' and 'Round About Midnight', the lineups read like a who's who of the Jazz world.
Coltrane, Adderley, Monk, Mulligan, Garland, Chambers etc... I think Miles got the best to play with him because if was mutually beneficial to all. A win / win situation. He was a star, so everyone wanted to play with him, and they made him a bigger star, while gaining a rep for themselves.
Just one man's uninformed opinion. :)
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In spite of Miles' well-known ego (some would say arrogance), he was a true artist; the music always came first. I don't think he thought much about who would be able to make him a bigger star by virtue of that player's presence in the band. He was extremely forward-looking musically and was able to understand how a sideman's style would enhance and help shape "the whole" of his music's sound; even when a player was not fully developed yet. When Trane first played with Miles, Trane was still at the stage of his career when a lot of people were still saying "what the hell is that?"; his approach was so different, and many thought is was bullshit. How wrong they were. |
