Is this the solution to LP static issues?? Seems to be!


Last night i was listening to a superb original RCA white dog pressing of Lena Horne and Harry Belafonte ( if you can source this, i highly recommend it!) 
I noticed that all of my prior LP's were exhibiting considerable static attraction to my felt mat on my LP12. Not this one!!! How come, since the LP was played at the same time as the others, in the same system, the same room temperature etc.?? I noticed on the cover of the album the following large sticker: Miracle Surface, This record contains the revolutionary new antistatic ingredient, 317X, which helps keep the record dust free, helps prevent surface noise, helps insure faithful sound reproduction on Living Stereo.  

Whatever this additive is that was put on this album back in 1959 sure works well!! Anyone know what 317X is?? Why are we NOT using this stuff today??
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Bill, interesting question, what was in the JVC super vinyl? I was always intrigued by the fact that you could hold one up to a light source and see through the vinyl. This is apparently similar now to what is utilized in the newer MoFi one step vinyls. All of this is certainly somewhat beneficial to the SQ, but a formulation in the vinyl to knock down static is certainly a great idea, IME... and no one seems to be using anything like this anymore.
Davey- I suspect these days, very little plastic is made Stateside due to EPA, OSHA, etc. Some of it is probably pretty nasty, but I’m not a materials scientist or chemist so I couldn’t tell you. A lot apparently comes from Thailand.
My impression is that the special formulations are ordered in the same way that the meat packers in Manhattan used to use a particular mix of chuck, short rib, brisket, and sirloin for burgers for specific restaurants- everyplace that charged 15 bucks plus for a burger claimed they had a proprietary recipe.
I have a few of each of these new formulations and I guess they were fine, maybe I didn’t play the records enough to appreciate them. Even though I have mixed views about the sound of the old MoFi releases, that formulation was, to me, just superb. It had to withstand the rigors of losing the high frequency carrier for discrete 4 channel and though that never really had a market, it made a marvelous stereo record. I played some of those records to death back in the day and they are still flawless. There’s another mystery-- what was in the JVC super vinyl? That stuff was resilient as hell.
I don’t have too many issues with static given how I clean and handle- all in bare feet, but I know it can be a bear. The central heating in the NE only made it worse when the humidity would drop during the winter. At one point, I talked to an old hand at vinyl compounding and he said, "mold release" what the hell are you talking about. And so it goes....
@whart Thanks Bill. I think the amazing thing is that we all probably have quite a few RCA’s with this stuff added to the vinyl. I know I do.Reading your link, seems to imply that some kind of off-setting electrical charge was added in the formulation...an intriguing idea. ( I can tell you, whatever it is, it was working like a charm yesterday!) However, yesterday was the first time that I was playing one of these albums and noticed the marked improvement in static reduction. BTW, most of these original White/ Shaded dog LP’s do sound very good, with or without the Miracle Surface. The ability for the LP to have reduced static attraction must be beneficial to the SQ, as RCA was claiming. I wonder why the coating ( or whatever it is) was discontinued in the record industry? It would seem to me to be pretty beneficial to the potential SQ, and since we now have various reissue labels going to One Step’s, UHQR’s, SRX formulation and the like...wouldn’t an old solution like 317x be something for them to consider? ( assuming of course that the identity of 317x isn’t lost in time!).
From reading that interesting link the most likely answer would seem to be some additive like propylene glycol. Whatever it is, it can't be a coating or additive since no way anything like that would last for decades. Has to be something in the vinyl itself. The record industry is just like the movie industry, penny wise and pound foolish.
Davey, I have no idea what Miracle Surface with 317X is. This attachment purports to be the advertisement where it is first announced: [url]http://classicalmusicreferences.com/home/classical-music-record-sets/rca-records-miracle-surface-ant...[/url]
Some of the text preceding the ad copy suggests that the material was offered to the industry "license free" but I see no basis for that; to the contrary, RCA seemed to claim that it, and only RCA had this miracle substance, which was obviously used as a marketing tool.
Some years ago, I pored through a vast amount of material in the AES archives, mostly papers presented by engineers and scientists, some of whom worked for the large labels. There was always a fair amount of stuff about vinyl compounding, stabilizers, thermal flow, reducing static, etc. I don’t know that this Miracle stuff would have been patentable in and of itself-- it may be in one of the RCA patents at the time (or not). I did set aside copies of many of the papers for my own use and they are stashed away in a box up in the attic. If you or someone else here is an AES member, you now get access to the archive as part of your membership fee. (It used to be an additional fee to see all the archival material). Somewhere, there’s somebody alive that knows.... Maybe. (One of the people who assigned a few patents to RCA was Sarwan Kumar Khanna, but most of his work was in the ’70s, after your Miracle stuff had been invented. I suspect it was part of the compound, but who knows...).
Gotta love digging through this stuff. Maybe somebody named it after their kid. :)
 @rauliruegas  Thanks for that link, very informative. What is extremely interesting, is that whatever 317x is, it seems to have a life long effect on the LP, and IMO, one that is actually beneficial. I wonder how long Gruv Glide actually works for?
I had not cleaned this particular album recently ( I had vacuum cleaned it before a few months back), and it went through the same playing ritual as all of the other albums on the table last night. I do think the formula that was described as ‘Miracle surface’ was indeed doing what it was supposedly designed to do. As audionoobie noted, Gruv Glide does seem to work in a similar manner, but this was 317x addition was added at the time of the record manufacturing...decades ago!
The Miracle surface is nothing new, I have it on several shaded and white dogs in my collection, but this time the difference in static build up was very noticeable.
Dear @daveyf : It's an unknow product, to many years ago to recovery any internet information that maybe was a" propitary "one by the LP label.

https://tenwatts.blogspot.com/2008/09/317x.html?m=1


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I am pretty new to all things turntable related but I think I've got all my static issues sorted with a can of GruvGlide. Maybe some expert will chime in on the long term effects of using said product, but it seems to work really well. 
"Why are we NOT using this stuff today?? "

Probably was later discovered to cause cause like everything else. One of the best series of LP recordings. Can't get enough of them.