...that sellers of power amps and integrated amps list the power rating per channel? I looked at 40 or 50 amps today and omly 3 of them listed the power specs. After all, isn't the *most* inmportant spec. how much the amp delivers?
Hello Elizabeth, what you just said in theory sounds about right but it won't work in these new economic conditions if you intently want to sell. Most Audiophiles need to sell what they have to help make the next purchase. Knowimg that, anything that would inform the buyer including stating the specs is helpful. Another thing is that Audiogon has lost many seasoned audiophiles and there are many newcomers that need to be informed as to the the fitness of the item being sold
You ain't got no money anyway ya bum, just like most everyone else here. A lotta whine no dine from people like you. There needs to be a whine catagorey so people can get their whine on. Maybe you should get a clue.
I normally don't put in full amp specs because it can clutter up an ad. If data about the amp can be easily found via a search engine I'll leave out the specs. Most prospective buyers will research the amp anyway.
One time I got burned with the amp specs in an ad.It was with a McCormack DNA-1. I had found some literature had it at 150 watts/channel and then put that in the ad. Then it was pointed out to me that it put out 185 watts/channel.
I don't think it is necessary to list all the specs but if you are selling an amp the least you can do is state the power rating in the ad. Even so I think most potential buyers will google the amp to see if the ad is accurate.
Listing basic pertinent specs speeds up a possible sale. A amp's current may indeed be more telling than watts when it comes to drive and quality. But best to list something. Inquiring minds can take it from there.
Pictures, front and back of the unit go along way.
while I can see the OP point, I also tend to agree with Viridian
If I am buying an amp here, i don't need to know Specs--I am into this hobby so I will get the information myself which I feel is critical.
If I were selling locally on Craigslist, people want to know Specs----like when I was selling my Linear Power car amp which is rated at 75 watts for $300 and someone let me know they could buy a 2000 watt amp at the flea market new for $69
Power gives some idea, but it is pretty much useless specification without knowing how it was measured. My amp, for instance, has module rated at 200W/4ohm but only 55W according to FTC measurement (that requires 1 hour preheat). It is possible for the lower continuous power amp to be actually louder. Music power delivered to speakers is only a few percent of peak power (unless anybody listens to sinewaves). What about distortions? Bel Canto makes the same amp as Rowland 102 (same B&O module) with 300W rating since they specify it at 10% distortions. In addition overdriving some amps is painful (odd harmonics) while other amps (including mine) have soft clipping. There is also not that much difference when power doubles (only 22% of perceived loudness). Perhaps it would be better to know peak power and max current but most often it is not available.
I can't say that I disagree with you, BUT, I also can't see any reason not to include ALL the info. Doesn't make any sense to me. People do want to see that. In the end, the more info you give them in the listing, the better for you.
It's a simple copy and paste. I include specs because I want to recoup some money fast. You have 30 days to sell in a crappy economy so I'm willing to take the 5 seconds to paste the specs in there. I haven't sold a lot of gear but I look at a lot and I know who I will NOT buy from. That's the people with no specs and no pictures. If you're reading this please dust your gear before you take the picture.
Wow, Viridian, I am surprised at your response. Certainly the items you mentioned are important. But, after all, an amp's main job is to amplify the signal. And how hard would it be to simply list the mfgr's output ratings?
I agree 100%. It pisses me off to have to do an internet search to find out the power rating. A few weeks back I came sooo close to buying an amp that I really liked and thought would be a good fit. It was a very large piece of equipment so I thought for sure the amp was at least 150wpc or higher. After doing the internet search, I found the amp was only 60wpc, class a/ab. Thank God I didn't pull the trigger on it.
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