Interfacing Computer Music to D/A Converter ?

Audioengr - those prices seem pretty reasonable. I have the North Star Model 192 transport which you are familiar with. I also own the Audio Mirror, as well as the Monarchy M24 which I'm pretty sure uses the CS8414, I assume adding a I2S input to either of these can be accomplished so I can run the I2S output from the North Star. Am I correct?

As for sound, if I recall the North Star will give me the option of upsampling from the I2S output to 24/192, since the Audio Mirror is redbook only and the Monarchy is either redbook or 24/96, will I be losing anything sonicallly.

Undertow - I add it to the DAC-1 for $500 and to the DEQX for about $750. Depends on the DAC and which board I use.

I can add it to almost ANY DAC easily and more cheaply with a wired version, but it will not address muting and Sample Rate decode. Then you must be careful about sequencing the power and not pulling the USB cable when powered-on etc.. If it is a capacitor-coupled DAC, then this is not as much of a concern.

Steve N.
Empirical Audio
Manufacturer

Okay sounds good.. Yeah if I was to ever convert than I would like to eliminate any extra convertor or extra cabling and simply use a laptop USB cable direct out right into the convertor… Any idea of a price to add this Is2 interface?

Undertow - I can add high-performance USB to practically any DAC or even the DEQX, but the cost will depend on what is inside the DAC. The correct implementation is USB to I2S to D/A chip. Doing this has its pitfalls, namely muting and sample-rate decode. Unless these issues are addressed properly, functionality of the DAC will be lost or it may even output damaging DC at times. I would NOT trust this to an amateur modder. If the DAC contains a CS8414 or AD1896, then it makes it easier as I have boards designed already for these.

I already add USB or I2S interfaces to these routinely:
Benchmark DAC-1
Lite DAC-60
DEQX

Steve N.
Empirical Audio
Manufacturer

I am Curious about adding the USB interface to a Audiomirror / Dac-ah ? is there a way to get it modded to add the usb direct, even if you have to eliminate the toslink or coax digital board ?

You may want to contact Vlad at Audio Mirror about thatcontact@audiomirror.com. You can certainly use an external conversion like a Waveterminal U24, Emprical USB Freeway, HagUSB or similar USB-S/PDIF convertor.

I am Curious about adding the USB interface to a Audiomirror / Dac-ah ? is there a way to get it modded to add the usb direct, even if you have to eliminate the toslink or coax digital board ?

As pointed out, you do not need to spend a ton of cash on a good (USB) DAC, especially if cosmetic issues are not that important. Along with the usual suspects, offering some choices in the $1000+ categories (Wavelength, Empirical, Apogee, Hagerman, and others), there's also a large contingent of both DIY and Low-Tech designs coming out of China, based on excellent NOS chips, and sound design. Tvad recently pointed me to one he's been trying with great results, made by MHTDLab, and reviewed here on Enjoy the Music. These sell on eBay regularly, the USB version of the Constantine, using the TDA1545A chip, as does the Paradisea tube-buffered version Tvad has. The USB Constantine is $399. There is also another USB DAC he sells based on the TDA1543 chip called the Dialogue II that is $299. This is the same chip used in the NOS AudioMirror DAC that has garnered some outstanding real-world comments both here and on other sites. The board for that DAC is also outsourced from China, and is available as a full on reproduction of the AudioMirror design as the DAC-AH which can be purchased for under $200 direct from China (not a USB DAC though). On the MHTDLabs units, Grant told me he got his in three days from Taiwan, superbly packed and without a hitch. The guy's abundant 100% positive eBay feedback suggests this is the norm. Grant seems to like his alot - perhaps you can contact him if it interests you to pursue further, or he can chime in here. If you are a DIY guy you can get kits to build a dimilar DAC for much cheaper. I won't go there as I doubt that's what the poster is looking for.

Marco

USB DACS can be purchased for less than 30.00 Alot Depends on what happens next, or what you really want to do. I sell the Dared MP-5 Tube Dac Amp. Its a all in one piece using the burr brown 2702 DAC. The total system is around 370.00 Actually USB direct to a DAC is a great way to go as there is no jitter that you might experience with S/PDIF outputs. It depends on how much of a audiophile you are and how efficient your speakers are, as the more efficient the more they allow you to hear the flaws in equipment.

I use the built-in wireless capability of a Mac to send from iTunes directly to an Airport Express base station, then via glass Toslink from the Airport Express to a Benchmark DAC-1. Files are in Apple Lossless format. It's extremely convenient and the sound quality is indistinguishable to me from CD's played on a transport going to the same Benchmark DAC.

For the total cost of about $140 for the Airport Express and a good glass Toslink cable it's a cheap experiment at the worst.

You have to make a choice: Wireless using Wi-Fi or USB cable. USB cable can give you better performance, and 24/96 capability. The only Wi-Fi box that has 24/96 is the Transporter. A good upsampler like SRC on a PC can bring amazing results, more like analog.

Airport Express only has Toslink output in stock form, so I would not recommend this. Toslink is the highest jitter interface. A modded version of AE is a different story. With AE you must use only iTunes player with either PC or MAC, so you have to like iTunes. Upsampling to 24/96 on MAC is not so great like on a PC.

The Squeezebox is quite popular as a transport, but also needs mods to sound good IMO. It will only do 16/44.1 and requires Slim Server as a player interface.

The possibility of eliminating the S/PDIF interface is another big advantage of computer driven audio. I2S interfaces are available to the Benchmark DAC-1 using USB interface to the computer. Using I2S can raise the quality of computer playback above that achievable using a transport.

Steve N.
Empirical Audio
Manufacturer

A laptop (hard drive) can make for an excellent front-end if it is done right. Definitely stick to the lossless file formats to start. You'll need a USB to S/PDIF interface. The best one I've tried, and still own, is no longer made, but you may be able to find a used one on eBay: Waveterminal U24. Similar products are made by HAG and Edirol among others. You can also sell your Benchmark DAC and get a USB compatible DAC like the Apogee Mini-DAC (USB version). Alternatively, you can purchase a device like the Airport Express which allows the digital output from your computer to be streamed wirelessly to your DAC via a Toslink connection (in the case of the AE). I think the Squeezebox does similar duty, but I have no experience with it so can't say for sure. Will it be better than a transport? That'll be for your ears to tell. For me I can't tell the difference.

Marco