I changed a Tube and…


I liked it!
 Have a Rogue Audio Cronos mag lll bought it years ago as original Cronos Mag  sent it in last year for the upgrade to lll .  Never changed any of the original tubes .

The amp was lightly used due to my changing amps like regularly. Decided to stick with Cronos and and have really enjoyed it . 
Playing vinyl for the majority of time and seem satisfied with Triode mode .  Amp runs perfectly no noise at all but thought about all the threads regarding tube rolling  especially the center 12au7 . 
pulled out the stock JJ and found a Genalex  Gold Lion ECC82/B749 (12au7)  bought them 7-8 years ago .  
Put the GL into center position and was thinking “am I going to really hear a difference “???   Figured I listen to a few LPs and maybe I’d notice something different good or bad Maybe ? after all it’s just one tiny tube !

Well I was blown away !, 30 seconds in listening to “two of a mind “ Desmond /Muliligan  things just got a whole lot more musical 🎶. Hard to describe everything seemed improved , midrange was wow ! Soundstage was better , etc .

Went to another familiar favorite Grant Green “ Idle Moments “   Oh yes the magic is here too 

Is this even possible or am I under a placebo delusion  lol 

Now I’m really wondering what about the other 2  12au7’s  and even the 2 -12ax7’s

what else am I missing ? 

 

 

 

mfm22

NOS ( new old stock vintage tubes) are expensive relative to new production but in my experience the sound quality is far superior.  Brent happens to be the most reasonable priced NOS tubes.  He has a vast knowledge of what tubes work best in specific amp/preamp applications and you can return them within 30 days if they don’t work for you.  You can call him directly.
My experience has been a few hundred $ in NOS preamp tubes has saved me spending thousands more on a new amp or integrated to get improvements in overall sonics, soundstage, depth, and clarity.  
But that’s my experience which doesn’t mean …. in the big picture.

Mine are available 

Not trying to rain on your parade, but if you think Russian made GL reissues are good, dive into NOS. Brent Jesse should be your guy. It doesn’t have to be more expensive. Look at Baldwin 12AU7 too to get some lower cost ideas.

He lists every tube he has in detail on his website. Spend some time there, then email him rather than call.

The implementation matters though, so experimentation is required. For example, I have a DAC and a phone stage that both use a pair of 12AX7. $300 Tele’s sound better in the PS than $450 Mullard’s, and vice versa.   

 

 

Brent Jesse is the second best tube seller I know of, Andy at vintage tube services being number one.

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Brent Jesse is the second best tube seller I know of, Andy at vintage tube services being number one.

I agree!

Mike

I have a nearly new Cronus Dark in my second system. Like you, I recently began some tube rolling, only the center preamp slot, because my experience in tube rolling with a CM2 was that the other tubes make only a negligible difference. 

Mostly I have been playing with new-production tubes because I generally find they tend to perform better than NOS tubes. That has been a recurring pattern in almost every tube-based product I’ve owned. Perhaps that’s only because I don’t purchase the NOS tubes that go for like $300 each.

Anyhow, I recently purchased a low-noise, matched-triodes Genalex Gold Lion 12au7 from Tube Depot. I also purchased the same JJ preamp tube that Rogue  used to supply in the CMII. Previous to these I purchased a NOS Telefunken smooth-plate. In playing with all these, this is how I would rank their performance:

Best: gold pin JJ ECC82 that came stock with the CM Dark.

Next Best: JJ ECC802S that Rogue used to equip in the CMII

Next: NOS Telefunken smooth plate.

Least Good: Genalex Gold Lion

 

Yup, the Gold Lion has been the least enjoyable of these, and by a rather wide margin. It could need more hours, but within the 10 or so hours I tried to tolerate it, the sound was closed in, with a very recessed midrange.

The Tele was a little grainy relative to the JJs, but then I didn’t buy a $200 example from VTS, rather a $100 one I found on ebay. 

I too will vouch for Andy at VTS: great tubes at mostly reasonable prices. Where he and I greatly differ is his appreciation for NOS RCA tubes. Every time I go with that recommendation I end up disappointed. Personally, I would only pick from his stock of Amperex, Teles, Siemens or Mullards. 
 

I have had some unpleasant experiences ordering from Brent Jesse. Two of the half dozen or so orders I received from him were total duds, completely unusable on arrival. I have had no such issues with any of the other popular tube vendors.