I don't believe I've posted this before or if it has been posted before but I found it quite interesting despite its technical aspect. I didn't post this for a digital vs analog discussion. We've beat that horse to death several times. I play 90% vinyl. But I still can enjoy my CD's.
The problem for the naysayers is that the science and the physics has always supported what he is doing and what he is saying. It has no method of disproving him -- rather the opposite, in fact.
Such things tend to make ’the monkey in man’ quite uncomfortable, so they use the fact argument of prior thinking projected into everything.
For if Geoff is correct, then a lot of what the linear and ego mind operates on and works hard to exist comfortably within (safe in the tree with a banana) will disappear ....and one is left.... more than a little bit groundless.
No matter what the texts say and what the leading edge of the science and physics says (as some think they’ve got it figured out), it is still turtles all the way down.
In essence, we all live in a forest, in a box..and if the forest is full enough, complex enough, etc (for the given individual)...then we can’t see the walls of the box and then we don’t understand that there is even a box.
The vast majority of humans live like this, this thing where their consciousness is like a s**tstain running down the side of an animal. It is unavoidable unless one isolates themselves from it (the world and interactions of any kind), like a buhddist or zen monk, and spends the decades it takes to clear ones self up..
The linear mind as attached to someone trained out of textbooks (rote dogmatic impression and regurgitation) and told to use that text as a dogmatic bible and thrust it at all out there they see and encounter..as a filter and hammer...this person might not be (and probably isn’t) wired to understand that their forest IS actually in a box.
As.. it is in a box. A box on the back of a turtle, and well, we can’t see through the mist (turtle) to see if it ends or of there is another turtle below that, or a million more turtles - or what.
Go to any university and ask any professor of physics if they think what I say is true or not. They may take exception with how I’m presenting it or wording it, but..conceptually, re the idea of reality itself...they will agree.
This basic point in human psychological positioning and understanding is the very raison d’être of engineering vs physics/science, as wholly separate vocations and mindset ---from one another. Eg, Queens university here in Kingston, categorically refuses to conflate engineering with physics, for that very core and important reason. It’s embedded in the names of the courses, the naming of the fields of endeavor, the buildings, the paper work, in everything. It is subtle, but 100% there. Just like it is in all other facilities dedicated to higher education.
You exist as a self created and self maintained load line of data points, hanging in a unfathomable mist, connected to nothing discernible.
That’s all we’ve got.
Engineering is when we utilize the data points on that misty ended loadline...among themselves as a representation and fabrication of a forest and forest products -- within the box. And that job, or endeavor as a fundamental, has pointedly.. no use for theory and is centered around facts, as the load line is one of facts.
But the full nature of the loadine as seen by science, is one of all theory, as.... with no anchor point, it can’t be anything else. The science and physics....recognizes and attempts to deal with the box and the turtle, or tries to deal with the misty obscured ends of the loadline.
Similar to the family dinner table, it is probably best to leave religion and politics out of this discussion.
mahgister804 posts11-27-2019 11:04amQuestion: how is it that some
scientific discourse, for example darwinism, is kilometers away, parsecs
away perhaps, from scientific thinking process ?
Sometimes doubting is only a misplaced, or disguised faith... And true doubting really implicate a dedication to truth that is incompatible with any prosaic discourse (except poetry ) be it a theological one or even with some science discourse...
Question: how is it that some scientific discourse, for example darwinism, is kilometers away, parsecs away perhaps, from scientific thinking process ?
I apologize for my rant, because it is perhaps all over my head... :)
atdavid Arguably rarely right. The naysayer is almost always wrong. Sometimes they are right, and they end up with a Nobel prize, not selling a "Teleportation Tweak" to gullible customers.
“If I could explain it to the average Joe Blow they wouldn’t have given me the Nobel prize.”
“People would generally be much better off in their lives if they believed in too much rather than too little.” - PT Barnum (gee, that quote seems tailor made for Mr. Smarty Pants 👖)
I’m the most successful one selling things on this site.
Is Teleportation Tweak considered a "thing" or it is some other state of non-being?
>>>>That’s a commendable question. Personally I’m not sure what it should be considered. But I know it’s both the lightest audiophile tweak AND the only audiophile tweak that doesn’t involve shipping or costs thereof. It also cannot be reversed, unlike phone calls. Yet, it is guaranteed. You don’t see that kind of customer support too much, I’m afraid.
Audiophile tweaks are like pudding. The proof is in the eating. No technical arguments or explanations are required. And if one is desired I have the definitive explanation of how the Teleportation Tweak works on my web site.
Arguably rarely right. The naysayer is almost always wrong. Sometimes they are right, and they end up with a Nobel prize, not selling a "Teleportation Tweak" to gullible customers.
I’m the most successful one selling things on this site.
Is Teleportation Tweak considered a "thing" or it is some other state of non-being?
The
problem for the naysayers is that the science and the physics has
always supported what he is doing and what he is saying. It has no
method of disproving him -- rather the opposite, in fact.
"
(you edited to offer the buffing comment) " Ended up having to buff the top only because the engraving left a bit of roughness to the edges for one and I like the satin look it gives as a contrast to the shiny cavity.
Well, any finishing/programming issues would obviously show up in the metal more than the wood and I don’t really see any, so it appears to be a nice combination of quality hardware and well reasoned programming. To my relatively untrained eye, that is. (you edited to offer the buffing comment)
I mean, that Haas hardware... is enough to get an enthusiast all wiggly inside like a happy puppy.
Enough of the side discussion, I guess.... and back to whacking each together with nail riddled 2x4's of poorly thought out hack attacks.
" Looked it up, pretty neat stuff. Trying to get a better impedance match on the air vs the throat and dome?
machining the throat/horn is a bit of a bear, I’ll wager. that’s some painful bit of CNC work, probably with some notable finishing work. (I bought a 5 axis CNC set up a while back)" It is a migration from the older tweeters used by Klipsch in many Heritage speakers to a modern tractix curve inside the lens cavity. Also meant to allow for mounting more than one type of driver if you choose to experiment. The best drivers so far keeping costs contained to reasonable levels have been the B&C DE10 and DE120.
Don’t know how to answer your impedence match comment but this was tested with TrueRTA and REW to curve much better than existing Klipsch Vintage tweeters and so far measures very well against anything else offered to fit as an OEM replacement for K-77 and K-76,79,792etc too. Machining is a breeze just using HSM and a ,007 step over with a .5" .09" corner round bull nose end mill. Stickout is 1.625 inches flute length so plenty of reach to cut it all. Modeled in Solid Edge and cut on a Haas VF4. There is no hand finishing required inside the cavity. I do buff the top with scotchbrite as I think it looks better that way.
Learning how to model this kind of part was the big problem.
I’m the most successful one selling things on this site.
Is Teleportation Tweak considered a "thing" or it is some other state of non-being?
The problem for the naysayers is that the science and the physics has always supported what he is doing and what he is saying. It has no method of disproving him -- rather the opposite, in fact.
Such things tend to make ’the monkey in man’ quite uncomfortable, so they use the fact argument of prior thinking projected into everything.
For if Geoff is correct, then a lot of what the linear and ego mind operates on and works hard to exist comfortably within (safe in the tree with a banana) will disappear ....and one is left.... more than a little bit groundless.
You aren’t the only one selling things. I machine tweeter lenses called MAHL tweeter lenses as replacements for two of Klipsch’s tweeters. I just never pushed them here because this is not a very big Klipsch site.Look up MAHL on ebay to see.
Looked it up, pretty neat stuff. Trying to get a better impedance match on the air vs the throat and dome?
machining the throat/horn is a bit of a bear, I’ll wager. that’s some painful bit of CNC work, probably with some notable finishing work. (I bought a 5 axis CNC set up a while back)
I never said I was the only one selling things. What I said was I’m the most successful one selling things on this site. Good luck with your little lens project.
You aren't the only one selling things. I machine tweeter lenses called MAHL tweeter lenses as replacements for two of Klipsch's tweeters. I just never pushed them here because this is not a very big Klipsch site.Look up MAHL on ebay to see.
Malman, I’m not trying to set the world on fire, just start a flame in a few hearts. I can always use another stalker, though. It’s all good. Welcome aboard, cowboy!
" I may be the only one around who has never visited that famous geoffkait’s website, but I thought that Cable Cooker was someone else’s. I actually visited that website.
Overall, it seems that geoffkait gets the most laughs for silly products while others’ are at times discussed with some seriousness and fierce defense of them. geoffkait at least stays relatively low-key with his advertisements. Others go full attack on anyone not bowing.
That is not to say he is correct, etc., but he is no worse than many.
No the cable cooker is not GK’s I was lumping silly things together. I don't think the beeswax fuses or Blackout Paint is his either. " >>>>Be that as it may I am no. 1 in sales and feedback. Have been for a great many years here. Guess I get to have the last laugh, cowboy. When I was in school I told people I was going to be a comedian one day and they all laughed at me. Well, noone’s laughing now! As for looking at your virtual system I’ve think I’ve seen enough. But thanks, anyway. " I have no idea of your sales volume but you fill an niche with willing seller willing buyer products that no one was forced to buy. I am in awe of the chutzpah you have for doing this and I have to imagine the many hours of laughter accompanied R&D as you pondered how to part fools from their money. It kind of puts your regular commentaries in perspective and while I am not going to take you as serious I am going to be quietly amused and a tip of the hat to you for being an entrepreneur. Comedy as you say is the bonus.
malman Everybody, at least almost everybody, picks on geoffkait’s wares for being, ummm, slightly questionable. He is the joke of audiogon never taken seriously.
>>>>Be that as it may I am no. 1 in sales and feedback. Have been for a great many years here. Guess I get to have the last laugh, cowboy. When I was in school I told people I was going to be a comedian one day and they all laughed at me. Well, noone’s laughing now! As for looking at your virtual system I’ve think I’ve seen enough. But thanks, anyway.
I may be the only one around who has never visited that famous geoffkait’s website, but I thought that Cable Cooker was someone else’s. I actually visited that website.
Overall, it seems that geoffkait gets the most laughs for silly products while others’ are at times discussed with some seriousness and fierce defense of them. geoffkait at least stays relatively low-key with his advertisements. Others go full attack on anyone not bowing.
That is not to say he is correct, etc., but he is no worse than many.
Look for Mahlman under Virtual Systems and I am there. "
This is, kind of, unfair.
Everybody, at least almost everybody,
picks on geoffkait’s wares for being, ummm, slightly questionable. He is
the joke of audiogon never taken seriously.
At the same time,
you have companies that have products with similarly bizarre claims and
they do not get that much bad attention as geoffkait’s. They actually
have supporters while geoffkait is fighting alone.
He may have a
bit abrasive way of communicating and may not be a sweet-talker as some
of the other voodoo artists are, but his products are no more outrageous
and laughable.
I am not, in any way, trying to imply that geoffkait should be taken seriously." He is not the only one I laugh at here as there are more preposterous dumb things offered through Audiogon than the mind can comprehend. It was a bit surprising though to see GK selling these kinds of things and in my mind is a serious strike against his credibility in anything audio. Beeswax fuses and Blackout Paint are two of my favorites for theater of the audio absurd. Cable cookers is another. I had no idea he was involved in selling that kind of nonsense until I looked today.
In a way I do admire the entrepreneurial spirit that offers these things to people that buy them and I believe it was PT Barnum that said there was a sucker born every minute. If people insist on throwing their money away someone needs to collect it.
I went to see what he was selling and lo and behold I see "Brilliant Pebbles" in the list."Blue Meanies" too and I think you will enjoy his for sale list.
This is, kind of, unfair.
Everybody, at least almost everybody, picks on geoffkait’s wares for being, ummm, slightly questionable. He is the joke of audiogon never taken seriously.
At the same time, you have companies that have products with similarly bizarre claims and they do not get that much bad attention as geoffkait’s. They actually have supporters while geoffkait is fighting alone.
He may have a bit abrasive way of communicating and may not be a sweet-talker as some of the other voodoo artists are, but his products are no more outrageous and laughable.
I am not, in any way, trying to imply that geoffkait should be taken seriously.
" True, but it is always "spinning" so that does increase the level of difficulty. " I see 5 threads started and 18,520 comments so we know he can’t be a serious inquiring mind about audio. I went to see what he was selling and lo and behold I see "Brilliant Pebbles" in the list."Blue Meanies" too and I think you will enjoy his for sale list. Not exactly what I would expect from a pedigreed engineer and self anointed master of all things audio.
I wanted to have a look at his system and still hunting for that. OK just did a search under"geoffkait" in "Virtual Systems" for his system and he does not have one there he cares to share or talk about. I wonder why?
Did you think of that all by yourself? Maybe you should consider getting someone to write your jokes for you as yours are not too good. Comedy is subjective. Maybe you should get someone to debate for you, too, now that I think about it. See, that’s funny! 😛
OK, want to hear a joke? What do you get when you cross a mentally slow learner with a community that abandons him and treats him like trash? You get what you deserve! An angry pseudo-skeptic. 😡
"Malman, do I look like I care what you think? 🙄 Your post is not only a drive-by shooting but it’s a hijacking. You can’t even stay on topic. And stop stalking me. "
Well evidently the answer to do you care is yes and like clockwork the guy with 18,000+ comments shows up. The amusing thing about stuff you say can best be illustrated like this. You accuse me of being a thread hijacker but two comments above say " Yes, beveling the outer edge of the CD to make the disc perfectly round is a good idea since it reduces the CD flutter and vibration. The disc still needs to be stiffened, I have a solution but it’s secret, it’s the Mystery Tweak. " ++ to atdavid for his correct summation of your contributions. Oh and please quit stalking me if you have nothing worthwhile to say.
Malman, do I look like I care what you think? 🙄 Your post is not only a drive-by shooting but it’s a hijacking. You can’t even stay on topic. And stop stalking me.
Geoffkait I have to say to me you come off like someone with way to much time on their hands and enough knowledge and buzz word coherence to be dangerously misleading to people actually looking for answers. atdavid has you pegged correctly. atdavid I have a question unrelated to this thread but maybe you would know. I am looking for speaker box constructing software that would include the ability to model in deflectors to stop standing wave problems. Do you have any ideas?
Yes, beveling the outer edge of the CD to make the disc perfectly round is a good idea since it reduces the CD flutter and vibration. The disc still needs to be stiffened, I have a solution but it’s secret, it’s the Mystery Tweak.
I would like to think that no one is suggesting we don’t all perceive sound differently. I think that is a given. This is not even a discussion of whether 44.1/16bits is enough bandwidth/resolution. It is about whether audio sampled at 44.1 khz has sub-sample timing resolution. Well really it is not even a discussion, no more than 1+1 = 2, or whether the earth is round or flat. No one who understands sampling theory and digitized systems thinks that audio timing resolution, monaural or binaural, or any bandwidth limited system is limited to the sampling rate. The author of the paper flat out states that timing resolution is limited to sample rate. That is just not true. Unfortunately, things like this pop up every few years, then get smacked down, but people have short memories and don’t do the required due diligence.
If the author had just stuck with 20KHz is not enough bandwidth, then he would have had a fairly supportable position (no matter how many scream Redbook is enough). There is a pretty strong case to be made that 20KHz is not enough. There appears to be no case for beyond 96ksps (40KHz).
Unfortunately, people from both sides of the argument are more interested in emotional positions than ones based purely on facts.
I'm not even going to try to settle the argument but I can tell you as a the husband of a woman with a PhD who studies brains and neurophysiology for a living, each of us perceive sound differently. It was mentioned earlier that the re-creation of music is a mechanical process. That is true up to the point that that process is converted to an electrical signal and de-coded by our brain's neural pathways. That perception is what makes us all uniquely different AND why we will never agree on the best sounding format. Here is something to consider. What sounds "better", live music where some bozo is coughing in the background while another couple are chatting during the music or the same piece recorded in a high end music studio and replayed on high quality equipment? It's all about perception. You decide.
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