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And is it the same as the first one?That would be the way to go, you wouldn’t have different left and right main speakers. And don’t run them of the "sub output" if using a HT amp, set the programing to "no sub" and set your left and right mains to large and get the signal for your subs from left and right main pre-outputs Or if using a normal stereo pre amp use these on it’s L & R outputs to supply both your poweramp and your subs https://www.ebay.com/itm/Valab-Gold-Plated-RCA-Y-Splitter-Adapter-1-Male-to-2-Female-RCA-Adapter-1pcs/283760200309?hash=item42116d0a75:g:RXwAAOSwGBhaYNGt Cheers George |
Since bass trap advocate Erik Squires is playing the "cultist" card to discredit multi-sub advocates @audiokinesis I’m not discrediting multi subs. I’m discrediting the cultish behavior on the proponents on Audiogon. As I’ve written, it is characterized by: 1 - Refusal to accept other solutions are possible or more applicable to specific questions by posters. 2 - Insistence on the swarm being a solution to everything a poster asks about, regardless of application. "Help I have noise on my left channel." 30 seconds later ... "You need a swarm!" 3 - Lying about what other prominent professionals have stated. I have no particular interest in whether some one finds the swarm a useful solution in their environment. It’s the cult-like behaviors above I find distasteful, and that you seem to be happy to misstate my position despite how clear it is. I also don’t care if you promote it as a possible solution to the general problem of finding good bass in a system. I do care people I interact with do so in a respectful and sincere manner, and this has definitely not been consistently the case around this issue and as a result I have grown a profound distaste for those who promote it. I don’t think that’s unfair. Your sentence, quoted above, reaffirms my choices. |
I do care people I interact with do so in a respectful and sincere manner, and this has definitely not been consistently the case around this issue and as a result I have grown a profound distaste for those who promote it. What's that? Cake and eat it too? I use a "swarm". I guess that's what it is, I have 4 subwoofers. I encourage people to give it a try. Is that "promoting" it? I guess it is. Why would you have "profound distaste" for me doing that? I don't have bass traps (I do have some acoustic panels however). I also don't tell people that my way is the "only" or "best" way nor would I or have I told someone that using bass traps can't be effective. My friend has the best system for bass I've heard, hands down. Two subs. Bass traps. Diffusers. No swarm. It's awesome! To me. Someone else might think it's too much bass. Or not integrated enough. Or whatever. He loves it. I think it sounds amazing. Someone else might have a different impression. One of the great things about this hobby is that for many aspects of it there are a multitude of ways to achieve the outcome that is "best" for the individual hobbyist. "Best" being subjective because everyone has different tastes, spaces, and budgets to name a few common variables. |
@erik_squires So it sounds like you’d rather have an internet squabble based on exaggerations, accusations, and maybe even "distaste". I don’t blame you. That clip I posted kinda makes you want to steer the conversation away from the relative technical merits of bass trapping vs multiple subs, doesn’t it? In case anyone missed it, just watch for thirty-one seconds, from 37:37 to 38:08 (it’s cued up): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shHY7EHY4MA&feature=youtu.be&t=2257 For the record, I agree with Erik that bass traps are beneficial. I don’t think I have ever said otherwise. |
Gee @audiokinesis I'm not having a squabble at all. You said I played a card to discredit a technology and I corrected you. Now you are again taking a curious angle to my very clear and direct statements. As I have said, I don't care if people chose a swarm or not. I do care how people behave in my environment. Calling out poor social behavior for what it is is not playing a card or discrediting a technology. I suggest in the future if you'd like to carry on undisturbed that you avoid using my name in vain and I'm sure I'd be leaving you alone. Best, E |
" I’m not having a squabble at all...." Got it. Erik, you are fixated on your grievances towards audiophiles who prefer something which is arguably "in competition with" your favorite thing (room treatments), and so you interpret their enthusiasm in the worst possible light: " 1 - Refusal to accept other solutions are possible or more applicable to specific questions by posters." Really? "REFUSAL to accept other solutions are POSSIBLE"?? Show me Erik. I think you are exaggerating, and even IF one person did that, why the "distaste" for all? " 2 - Insistence on the swarm being a solution to everything a poster asks about, regardless of application. "Help I have noise on my left channel." 30 seconds later ... "You need a swarm!" " This is just immature exaggeration. And if not, then show me, Erik!! " 3 - Lying about what other prominent professionals have stated. " Show me, Erik! Don’t just make a nebulous accusation of lying, show me! And while you’re at it, maybe explain to Big Greg why your distaste extends to him, because obviously that is the impression you gave him. Or else make it clear that it doesn’t. I will grant you this, Erik. You successfully drew me into your squabble. Duke |
Erik, you are fixated on your grievances towards audiophiles who prefer something which is arguably Man who keeps calling me out upset I reply. Sadly for you I don’t owe you a debate nor do I do research for free. The proof is in the archives. I don’t even know who "Big Greg" is, but honestly don’t care if he thinks I disdain him, so go find yourself a tin whistle and blow it. I would appreciate it if you’d stop deliberately misreading me to claim things not in recent evidence, then attempt to exhaust me with requests for free research. For some one who claims an advanced degree I’m surprised reading comprehension wasn’t actually taught at your schools. You’ve stated I’ve attempted to discredit the technology. Nowhere is that in evidence. I, again, clarified. Now you want me to prove the behavior I’m objecting to. Puhleese. I don't play the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man merry go round you seem enamored of here. I suggest you go hawk your products as much as you want to, and name me only if you want my attention. Capiche? Quote me. |
@erik_squires, speaking of straw men and/or reading comprehension, you wrote: " You’ve stated I’ve attempted to discredit the technology." No I did not. I provided TWO quotes wherein you called multi-sub advocates "cultists", and then in a follow-up post I wrote: " Since bass trap advocate Erik Squires is playing the "cultist" card to discredit multi-sub advocates..." So I never said that you attempted to discredit the technology, only its advocates. Of course if its advocates are "cultists", with everything that word implies (brain-washed, simple-minded, etc.), that doesn’t exactly bode well for the technology, does it? Regarding your list of three accusations: It is the easiest thing in the world to make accusations on an internet forum. They cost you nothing and potentially cost the accused a great deal... Unless you are asked to back up your accusations, because then your credibility is being challenged. How about this: You stop the name-calling and drive-by accusations and I’ll leave you alone. Duke |
" You’ve stated I’ve attempted to discredit the technology." You cannot understand the difference between objecting to how people promote a technology to discrediting it, and I guess we’ll have to leave it at that, and this mindless promotion of this take is rather... religious. If you want any proof just go back through the archives and look for Miller Carbon and "Toole" unless that discussion got deleted by the moderator. How about this, your cadre leaves me the eff alone and behaves themselves and I won’t call them out for what they are? Should I call you something else besides Duke? Maybe supreme speaker? Arch bishop? Duke seems so secular. Erik |
Erik, If I started referring to those who advocate bass traps as "flat earthers", would I not be discrediting the technology? Same thing when you refer to those who advocate multiple subs as "cultists". Erik, IF you have a beef with Miller Carbon, THEN you have a beef with Miller Carbon. To extrapolate your dispute with him to everyone who advocates multiple subs is unreasonable and unwise, as it fills your world with perceived enemies. And let’s not resort to making fun of each other’s names. You have an unfair advantage; your name is instantly cool without even trying to be. Duke |