newtoncr,
Excuse me if you have already answered this question, but did you listen to these speakers before you bought them? I'm wondering because full range back loaded speakers have a specific type of sound, and it seems from what you wrote in your last post that you were overall satisfied with your Magico setup.
What were you looking for when you made the change? |
@roxy54
no I hadn’t listened to these speakers before buying them .
I had listened to horn / low watt tube combo in multiple occasions. Always at dealers . Never in the optimal position in my house . I heard a presentation of vocals and instruments that was larger than I was used to . These listening sessions were brief . Other characters which I like like sound stage and depth and weight of music were not my focus during these listening sessions .
I wanted a second system with the larger than life vocals and instruments. I heard about the charneys his matching tubes and also talked to friends who I trust who have listened to the charneys . Due to Covid I couldn’t make the travel so I purchased the speakers and electronics.
Trust me I think I have got exactly what I expected, the vocals are huge . One of my audiophile friends commented on the larger than life vocals . That was his flavor and he loved it . I am hoping with better tubes than the stock tubes I will be able to get cleaner sound . Tubes are noisy . I don’t expect deep impactful bass with the horns . And I am not going to mess the tonal balance and unique flavor by adding a sub . I hope to be very content with the charneys as my second system once I get the room treatment and tubes perfected . A great change in flavor to my main system perfect after a long exhausting day at work when u want to relax with a pour of whiskey and listen Louis Armstrong and Ella play at around 75-80 db. They will be in the room with you through the charneys. |
That sounds good, and you apparently still kept your other system. Best of luck with the break-in and the fine tuning. |
TAD horn is designed for a TAD driver its phase plug improves loading for such why it exists the problem is folks using the TAD horn for non TAD drivers. |
Need help please, got the charneys the companion , and the charneys 300b amp and preamp. Got the western electric 300 b tubes and nos tubes from andy at vintage tubes . Brian Charney came over to set up the system. I find the system lacking in bass and thickness of musical presentation. It’s thin and weak the presentation . My room is 12 ft wide and 20 ft long. How can I tune the system to sound good ? Should I get a pair of subs? Brian recommends against room tmt amd subs . I tried some room treatment it just killed the sound stage and weight of music .
any help appreciated in advance. |
Horn speakers , high efficiency but not “shouty”
Need help please, got the charneys the companion , and the charneys 300b amp and preamp. Got the western electric 300 b tubes and nos tubes from andy at vintage tubes . Brian Charney came over to set up the system. I find the system lacking in bass and thickness of musical presentation. It’s thin and weak the presentation .
i think i said this in another post a while back, covering a similar topic... i have been looking for 40 years now (okay, maybe 25-30)... still looking... 😞😞😞 |
@newtoncr, Have you heard the Charney gear in another system/room where it overcame the issues you're describing? Have you played everything enough hours for break-in yet? Cheers,
Spencer |
@sbank No I haven’t listened in another system
or place . People who have heard it say it’s amazing and love it. Unfortunately I am not getting the same magic in my room . I am looking for advice with regard to tweaks like cables , room treatment, placement etc to try to get the magic in my room.
Yes they have all been broken in by playing over 600hrs. |
@newtoncr,
You seem pretty tight with ASC, how about posing the question to them?
I would hesitate to start messing w/cables and tweaks for this stuff until you've maximized the placement & setup and convinced yourself this gear is definitely a keeper.
FWIW, I've only heard a couple of horn setups that do any of what you're after, although they certainly have plenty of immediacy and other strengths....tradeoffs...always tradeoffs. Since the designer setup the rig, did he comment that HE thought is was sounding like it should? If yes, oh no!
Hate to ask but is seeking a refund or selling them on the table? Sorry to poke my head down the darkened hallway! Cheers,
Spencer |
@sbank Brian agreed the sound was not what his system should produce . He wants me to visit him and hear first hand how his system sounds in his setup . He is a great guy . Always willing to work with you.
room treatment, Brian is against them . But I have talked to asc multiple times and we have measured the room, taken recording from the room and analysed . Again the horns and how they interact with the room is not everyday for them. They have recommendations, they recommended a soffit design for control of front end ringing . We r still working on room optimization. We tried tube traps in different configuration it just killed the music for me .
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I have built over 100 full-range driver systems. What you are describing is a characteristic that they can have if cabinets are too lively. All lack extension on top and bottom =unless giant. I would consider a bass horn system or multiple large subwoofers and adding a tweeter like a Fostex t900a. 300b amplifiers while lovely things some can sound thick and a bit sloppy and can cause resonance issues with some BLH. When I build full-range systems they are very large and the cabinet is very much overbuilt to reduce any coloration. |
Hi @johnk ,
How do you compensate a low midrange drop that is typical for all full range drivers?
Is any other solution than front horn to support these frequencies?
Regards,
Alex. |
Newton
Given that Brian agreed with your assessment he shouldIf take them back. He could always try different drivers, capacitors or resistors in the speaker. I can tell you my Viking Acoustic Grande Voix Dual horn speakers are everything that I dreamed about. |
@willgolf I am still working with Brian. I don’t think expecting Brian to take it back is fair . He is a great guy and has a great product. Only problem is I am not able to make it sing in my room .
not done yet lol. Not ready to throw in the towel. More room placement experiments, room tmt , subs … on the way …
will keep u posted |
@newtoncr I had a conversation with Charney about your issues and he confirmed the problems you've been having. One thing though, according to him your room is 12x20 but the rear wall is open to a much larger room? So the speaker is actually trying to accommodate a space possibly out of the range it was designed for? Can you confirm this it would help for offering suggestions.
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I've heard these and they are remarkable. I'm not a Horn Speaker owner. I have Maggies, Tekton and Vandersteen. Different animals for sure but I have enjoyed these many many times. has anyone else heard them? http://www.stereotimes.com/speak010708.shtml |
