Full Range vs Trad xover design
ses = sensitivity, any speaker below 90 db = junk = Dinasaur Era speakers, Full Range is the superior voice for music. Xover's only muddy, pollute the source. Xover/Conventional speakers is <<Low Fidelity>> Full Range = High Fidelity. Finally after 40 yrs chasing the Ultimate listening experience I have found Nirvana. There is not 1 conventional speaker in the world that would convince me otherwise. 91db is the cut off sensitivity point = 99% of conventional xover designs are pushed off the table. Sorry folks time for truth. Scan Speak and Seas are not happy with this topic I am sure. Both labs went the wrong route in speaker design. 20 yrs ago both should have followed the Full Range path to High Fidelity. We would all have been much more happy audiophiles. |
Cabinet made, 2 hrs, $40 material, easy simply, anyone can build FR cabinets. Now the bass explodes, sure it does not go below 150 hz, still for a single 6 inch driver, this delivers close to the SEAS Thor. just over $100 a pair vs Thors $$$$$$$ All xover/traditional style speakers have been rendered <<JUnk>> via 21st Century Full Range. 70% of a stereo sysytem = speakers, FR will bring your average system to High Fidelity vs Seas, Scan speaks lower than 90 db will bring your stereo down. Any speaker lower than 90db are <<Dinasaurs>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KePoQI9Ptns |
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I love my Ref 3A de Capos 92db run them with 4 watt Decware amp plenty of sound not Ted Nugent loud but goodOK Single Cap + 92 db, = Not tradition/conventional speaker as in my reference, Perhaps , in fact your Ref A3 is not the speakers i am attacking. I am going after any/all speakers that have more than 1 cap and are not at least 91 db. You are at 92db which passes the sensitivity threshold of <<at least 92db>>> = all FR are over 93db Conventional/traditional <<Box design>>> are all under 91 db and have multiple xover components . = Dinasaurs = Out dated = dysfunctional = High Distortion,,what we are all after is <<High Fidelity>> ( old Philips terminology) FR = High Fidelity xover/conventuiional box = Low Fidelity. Here is the link to my 2nd DL FR, the above link did not load properly on YT This is the link 'Cabinets took about 1 hour each x2 = 2 hours pair to build,,don't look nice, gaps all over, but they sound great, even fantastic. Bass has now kicked in. These DL FR blow away the Seas double 6.5 + SEAS Millennium tweets. Thats a $2500 upgraded speaker with Mundorf high priced caps, and brand new Millenniums. The single DL blows away the Seas. Blows away any conventional, including all/every B&W ever made. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbJYS4oCn9w |
Hey Erik You have been right alll along, this whole time, you've been staright up shooting down the gimicks, the frauds, in <<high priced speaker designs. You exposed the schemes, the scams. Fact is 1 FR say 10 inch at 93db+ = 2 10 inch 86db woofers from Scan speak and SEAS. Scan Speak has their new Elliptior 8 inch mid bass, 95db!!!! Newest design from that old faithful lab.. However ya gonna pay for that one. $1100 EACH!!! I can get a DL FR 8,10 or 12 under $500 pair includes ship. The 12 will blow out the water any bass from that Elliptior, if bass is what you are looking for, Its a nice try from Sacn speak, but IMHO these newest FR designs, from DL and others are <,The 21st century>> speaker design. I would not ever consider going back to traditional labs for speakers, Not when i can get budget priced FR which have 93db++ sensitivity. You say you need a new tweak to your system, new cables, wires, new cd player, new amp..preamp tubes etc etc. Don't watse 1 penny in any of these <<tweaks>> you ain't going to get evena nuance pinch. What you need are new speakers Yep, sure do folks Your speakers is the polluter in your sound imaging. Speaking only to tube amp folks, yes all you Jadis owners. For any/all tube amps, the only speaker which you can imploy are <<Full Range>>> and nothing else, CD palyers, amps, tubes all sound pretty close the same, Yes my $9k Defy7 sounds pretty close to Richard Gray's loan tube amps, like Dynaco EL34 his Organ mono block amps, , both sound pretty close to the Defy. You can get a used chinese kt88 amp + a tube cd player either cayin or Shanling + DavidLouis FR and have a super high fidelity system all under $3k, blowing away systems that cost 10x's as much = spending more might, no wait, usually does result in <<Less>> Trad speakers will voice polluted, distortion, very ineffient. any speaker under say 90 db is <,Dinasaur>> I;'m being generous allowing 91/92 db trad speakers some slack. But honestly a 93db FR will out perform any 92db traditional xover speaker, and that bya nice margin. Don't believe me, Go experiment, You can purchase a pair of DL FR say 6.5, abit small, go 8 inch, add any tweet on top and set 1 channel DL vs your trad xpver speaker,,now employ balance contriol. You will be blown away. $300 gamble and trust me you'll be blown away. You'll dump your xover design in a NY minute. xovers = something fundamentally wrong with the driver. Its not designed properly to produce high fidelity. xovers only distort, they twist the musical image into weird shapes , forcing the driver along paths which make the sound image in-efficent. / now the amp has to push harder = stress, fatifue factor on your ears. xovers are <,Dinasaurs>> |
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Hey Eric you;ll get evena better lol out of the above post. There I got your back on all your posts past few years, You were right alllll along. xovers are the problem. = Dysfunctional. SEAS wants $800 each for their 8 inch FR, I can get a pair of DavidLouis 8's for less than $400 and may in fact sound better. OK I know i want the DavidLouis 8 with Alnico magnet,,now I need to search fora super high sensitivty tweeter,, but not pay alot,,I have his Vifa clone arriving next week, rated 91 db, that might be the answer He sells the Vifa clone for $45 pair includes ship!!!!!!!! I will post a YT vid upon hooking her up to the 6.5 FR cabinet. Richard Gray advises to avoid the DavidLouis Titanium Horn,, Richard has heard TI horns in the past and strongly advises that I avoid, which I will do. |
Here you go, worlds best 8 inch FR which will blow out any/all/every tradition xover speaker in the universe, Sure $1800 a pair, But then ck out the prices on trad box style speakers, $$$$$$$$ and weign in at rediculous 100's of lbs, Need a Fork lift to move them, Championship wrestling smack down Xover designs are dinasaurs. https://voxativ.berlin/products/ac1a |
Their newest offering AC-1A at $1800 is the very 1st affordable <,super high fidelity>> speaker in the world, No others acn touch the AC-1A Once I recover from my $2200 loss upgrading the Thors, I plan to save up fora pair of AC-1A's. maybe late 2022. I promise to posta fair review/demo on Youtube. As you guys know speakers are more than 75% of the sound in a system. If not 95++% of the sound quality of a system. OK lets just say it out loud, <<speakers are everything>> why ? The 1st thing to start investing ina high fidelity system are the speakers, #1 importance. Just a matter of time before these Voxitiv takes over the entire speaker industry, as there are no others that can even closely compete. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFSPGimzv7Q |
