Erik Y U Gotta Hate!

Hey @millercarbon :

You have been all pouty for weeks because I gave you free advice that you didn’t take and wasn’t a direct answer to your original post.  You just completely ignored a poster asking for help with an AVR and spewed your own biases.

No one on audiogon stalks me like you do, so you better pay me for the attention you are getting.

Best,

E

To the couple Eric lovers, you must be blind, just look at his history of starting anti Pass Labs threads.

George:

This is slander, as others have replied to you, my Pass threads were quite neutral and I took no position other than to ask questions and get specific insight. Your brown stained glasses are the only reason you see this.

Please also point out a single place where I’ve told some one their hearing was wrong. Your practice of telling those who like certain amplifiers or types of amplifiers that their hearing must be off, or that measurements matter more than personal taste is a profound lack of respect for others and no one should take you seriously after that.

Point me to a single post where I’ve told someone that buying Pass was a mistake, or that their products were inadequate in their manufacture or design. Those posts don’t exist. .


To others:
You are right, what I like or don’t doesn’t really matter. Don’t reply to what you aren’t interested in. What I am interested in is secret sauces and whether we can measure them. Because that is fun.

Pass said he’s adding distortion to his products. Stereophile just measured it. I think that’s cool to dissect. If you get all butt hurt over that I don’t know what to tell you.  Pass is one of the most successful audio product makers in history, if he says he's got a secret sauce and you think he's onto something you should be incredibly curious as to what it is and how it measures.

Best,

E

I do like D’Agostino.

While D’Agostino may be chosing to make euphonic amps he can’t possibly be doing the same thing Pass is, or making the same exact choices, therefore there’s absolutely no guarantee that anyone should like them equally. I mean, if that were true, then all Pass fans would love D’Agostino too, right?? Or why don’t all of you just give up and agree that CJ Premiere 8s were the best amplifiers ever and you are all just wasting money?? Those were very euphonic amps. My favorite of all times. Why should the CJ 8s sound like Pass or D’Agostinos?

I’m not trolling Pass, anyone who thinks that fails to read my statements fully or understand them. What makes Pass useful to the discussion of personal taste (or really euphonics) is that he’s told us he’s adding a secret sauce, and Stereophile has published pretty extensive data on the distortion profile.

I can’t find anything like that for Dagostino, therefore I can’t sit and look at two sets of charts to figure out why I like one and not the other.

Unfortunately, rather than having discussions about what makes Pass special what we are most discovering is how threatened Pass fans are.

If you truly loved Pass and felt they were the best, a question about why would not perturb you. Instead, the question of what makes Pass special is met mostly (but not all) with what amount to a mix of pro-Pass ads and slander.
My thread about why Pass people loved Pass was 90% pure fandom and 10% people willing to post specific comparisons and impressions, of which some were not positive.


One weird thing about Pass owners is they tend to act as if Pass was the only possible amp choice. When they talk about upgrading, it is only to other Pass amps. That's great, but trying to get an objective idea of WHY they like it is curiously difficult.


This is just not a discussion that can be had it seems, and that’s a shame.

Erik the big difference is you go out of your way the start new anti Pass Labs threads, even though you word them in such a way as trying to being objective.

The person on Audiogon who will die from lack of eating to go out of his way to attack pro Class D amplifier threads would like to slander me by repeating a previously made and never substantiated and very very false accusations.

It’s amazing when some one has zero self awareness.

Hey George, I’m going to go start a thread about Class D amps I like. Do you think that will grab your interest for the end of the year??

I really dislike the term hate because it’s not true. By the same standards, what is wrong with all of you that you hate neutral, low distortion amps?

The truth is, you don’t hate. You just like what you like. And I think that’s a fascinating topic if we can put that together with measurements.

Don’t hate them at all, and the good Mr. Pass is a great guy.

I am curious why those who love them love them, because face it, when some one turnes into a Passter, they rarely turn back! :) They don’t look for other amps, they look for other Pass amps.

Pass is an ideal situation to learn from. The man himself argues against the perfect amp, and his fans love it. The gear measures differently than other gear.

His fans should continue to love it. I will continue not to, but that difference is exactly where we can learn about what we grow to love about gear.


I am 100% sure that regardless of my feelings or thoughts, Nelson will continue to enjoy enviable economic success, and I wish him that and more.


Best,
E