I heard the Ravens are pretty expensive - they are an option on the VMPS at a premium upgrade price. I passed . Dynamics come from the drivers working together doing their jobs. The speed is important and ribbons are deisned to do that but the woofer must keep up to get a natural sound. It is hard to beat the ribbon for mids and highs - electrostats do a good job of giving them a run. |
Hey Ljgj can you give me a honest opinion as to the charms or lack of in the ribbon/tweet AND the ribbon/mid. I'm focusing on a kit in a MTM 5.25 + RAVEN-2 ($1600) + SUB design or the 626($1600) + SUB. I listen to classical music so i need a big DYNAMIC mid sound. I think the Raven-2 is a mid/tweet/ribbon but not sure. The R-3 is but its $1600 EACH!!! Keep in touch |
Just messing with you. The Rm 40's are in and going through breaking in very nicely - I will keep you posted. |
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Mr. Ljgj Please explain what you mean to say. I told you that my QUEST for the 21ST century would take me to unknown lands. All ya'll can stay at home I'm a "man on a mission" as they say. The kits may be beyond my intelligence but its below my intelligence to pay for some of the LOUDspeakers built for the masses. I always was one for the unique. |
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Since it is my post i think i'll close it. After all considerations of the size the cost the inefficiency of the awesome sounding electrostats my vote goes to the speaker kits on ZALYTRON.com For 3 reasons 1)They only use the best drivers and 2) have the most reasonable prices 3) offer the biggest line. |
Would love to help but haven't heard the new Quads. Good luck in San Antonio (Galen Carol?). |
Sbindeman i've heard the ever so popular maggies 1.6, was npt impressed. i've just listened to ML's ascent with 8year old conrad johnson monos took lots if juice to get ANY volume. someone said that the sound labs sound great but only the innersound megawatt amp or monarchy's big mama can give the sound labs what they need. i want the new pathos due out in may for the beautiful sound its supposed to produce. so i'm planning to fly out to san antonio to hear what are supposed to be phenomonal ELS speakers, the QUAD's 988,the 989 are supposed to be better BUT are 1)very large 2)very expensive 3)very thirsty,and if these don't sound like $6000 speakers then i'm going to do what Sedond suggests go with the AMP Ribbon Monitor 1 ($1500). |
Hi. For what it's worth, I've gone through my own odyssey in search of the right 'stat. I first heard one over 10 years ago, a small Maggie playing Dire Straits. The speed, clarity and depth hooked me from the first. Some of the higher end boxes can sound pretty good, but I must say I've never like Wilsons (even the expensive Maxx's) since they sound to me very dry and analytical and closed-in even with a broad variety of electronics). I've gone from a small set of Maggies to two different sets of the six panel Tympanies culminating in the IVa series. I loved them for 5 years or so but had a constant difficulty getting the bass panels properly located. But then I discovered Soundlabs, and have moved from the A3's to the Ultimate 2's. Every change I've made has been a definite step up. The Soundlabs seem much clearer with better timbre and better dynamics than the Maggies to my ears, but they do require even more juice. (Of course they are a lot more expensive too.) I was happy with Classe 15's with my Maggies, but my Ultimate 2's (which are less efficient than the A3's) require the power of Innersound's Electrostatic amp, although I heard in a friend's room how the Ultimate 1's could sound great with Wolcott's tube amp. |
hey tweek, go to the harmonicdiscord site & check out vmps' forum there - brian's www is outta date, supposed to be updated any time. the latest rm1 & rm2 are better than what's shown on his site - improved ribbon midrange *and* tweet. the new midrange x-over is now something like 157hz instead of the 450hz as shown on the website. and, no, the rm40 ain't there yet, which is why i posted the previous link to a foto of it from the ces. and a few folks who've purchased the rm40 (& the rm1 & 2) give their opinions on the speakers on the harmonicdiscord site... if money is an issue, (when *isn't* it!) you can even save a few more bucks by getting the kits, w/or w/o cabinets, depending on your skills. if ya get the cabinets, then ya just have to install the hardware & solder up the wire. also, a few dealers have been known to haggle on price, and shipping *is* included in the price. this can be quite a savings, especially if ya went for the rm40's, which weigh in at 240lbs *each*! brian makes sure the cabinets are well-damped! ;~) doug s. |
Sedond alright! went to VMP's web, very interesting design the RIBBON MONITOR 1 ($1600 pr.) really looks like this might do the trick.the vmp RM1 has DUAL 8' SOLID GRAPHITE woofers AND a 10" PASSIVE RADIATOR (graphite as opposed to horrible sounding polyplastic sweet,sweet) really packs a punch on ALL the lower octaves!! WOW! very hard to resist buying the erosmk11 or the quads 988. however the price of the vmp's $1600 (on the 40's i saw no info. so ?) as opposed to $6000 on the eros and $5000 on the quads , gives me a bunch more to spend on rest of system. and the 7' ribbon midrange + spiral ribbon tweeter, nice! ...VMP,RM1..VMP,RM1..VMP,RM1..VMP,.......thanks tweek |
tweek, ya say: "...so yea i can make the sacrifice on low end for what i get in mids and highs..." no sacrifices required - repeat after me: vmps rm40... vmps rm40... vmps rm40... ;~) doug s. |
Travis have you heard the Quad 988($5000) or the expensive 989($9000) as compared to the eros . Plato emailed to say ""i guess great dynamic capibilities does not rate as highly on your own list of priorities" nicely said.(talking about that cabinet speakers vs. esl) so yea i can make the sacrifice on low end for what i get in mids and highs. can't touch the 989 even though it has the bass. Plato as well said to "stay away from the ML cls11z".i guess what i need to know as well is if the Innersound's are about the same efficiency as the Quad's988? |
Thank god the CLSIIZ is going away, a true amplifier nightmare.
So you like classical music. What ARE you going to do about low bass, no, not THAT low bass, the low bass below 30HZ which would include Mahler, Rachmaninoff, Resphigi, any organ music with 16' and 32' pipes? You think this EROS can reproduce that? Maybe, but be careful, and be prepared to go to war over sub-woofers. |
No, I am in Lafayette - 4600 picked up! |
Ljgj these aren't the ones that were for sale in the times picayune about 2 months ago, and i called, but this was before i ever knew what a electrostat was. NOW i know ,but honestly they are too big , need too much juice and i'm after the eros mk11. thanks anyway...by the way how much? |
Alright enough - I will sell you my ML Odysseys if you come pick them up! |
Gasman and Plato just sent emails says Gasman "eros produce crisp sound...BUT 'beam' to a single seat" says Plato "M-3 needs GOBS of power to make them sing , but sound INCREDIBLE"..."I feel the EROS ARE the best on 'synergistic symphonic dynamic' sound" ... so disreguard previous post due to further credible witnesses. if anyone follows all the posts, seems INNERSOUND's EROS MK11 is as close as i'm going to get to 'dynamic synergistic symphonic sound'... i guess you are wondering how i came up with this imaginary phrase. my old Philips Dynamic 475 actually has a clear bubble tweeter its a mini electrostat, never could figure out why it produced mid+highs like no other tweeter when i bought them in 1982 its that quality of sound i was after (its a 2 way 6 in woofer, bass ok) puts b&w tweeter to shame. thanks for everone's interest tweekerman |
Ljgj i am new in this audio realm so be patient , read my last post. hopefully the new pathos amp(120watts) due out in may will marry well with the sound labs M3.regards |
I'm a newbie to the entry level high end having recently purchased the ML Aerius i's. After a long (and still incomplete) struggle to place them correctly I realized that an 11 year old Denon integrated amp wasn't cutting it. So here comes the Anthem AVM2 pre and MCA5 amp. HT going on here as well. Huge difference in openess and soundstage depth and better highs. A little more sparkle. The beauty of the ML's is that that they fill the house with music w/o being married to the couch or a narrow sweet spot to enjoy them for casual listening. A "collapsing soundstage" to me means it's a crappy recording. ML's are placement sensitive for serious listening but the sweet spot is at least three people wide....:-)
BTW has anyone heard ML's new sub? |
Sedond seems martin logan sees the impracticality of their CLS11Z about to drop the model. which leaves me with the sound lab millenium-3 as the choice over the eros mk11 mainly because 95% of the music i listen to is classical if it was the other way around 95% r&b jazz rock then the eros mk11 is the way to go. just as of interest Tireguy is helping me put together a virtual system , playboys paradise i had chose the accuphase dp75v($11000!!) , tireguys response was "and money spent on the dp-75 could have been saved with an audio aero capitole getting VERY similar results, so close in fact i wish i had a capitole over my accuphase gear(at the same savings i bought the accuphase for!)" !!! i mean i always thought the more expensive the more the better. i mean ACCUPHASE!!! thanks for the tip Detlof , i think allitle too large for my room. |
You know Tweekerman I am a big fan of Electrostats because they do a lot of nice things for music listening and I back that up by having owned the original Aerius that are still in my office - the Quest Z's - the Quad 989 which I traded to a New Orleans guy for the ML Odyssey which he bought from Jay in Metairie - (I let them go because my wife really hated their look in our room) - I really didn't think about letting go of the ML's until I recently heard the VMPS RM 40.. It is the best boxtype speaker I have heard in a long time and outdoes or matches our Stats in many areas and at 4600 retail - no one is even close in the dynamic speaker department. A friend of mine in Texas owns a pair. A friend also owns the CLS and I love the classical music that comes out of those through the Innersound amp - I have never seen a pair at Jay's place to listen to in a showroom - when you listen to the music that comes from them you never think - it needs a sub. By the way it's time for you to make up your mind and take the step because we are exhausted for you. |
Tweek, there's a SL Ultimate 2 being offered on Audiogon for a little under 5000 bucks with all the latest frillings. Sounds very interesting..... Cheers |
hi tweek, all i can add is this - if the ml cls' went louder than 93db (which they won't do, even when crossed over to subs at as high as 100hz), i would have a pair in my house right now. absolutely one of the best sounds i've ever heard - for small acoustical music. if all of the classical music you listen to is quartets, chamber music, etc., then you'll be fine. otherwise, i think not. my opinion, of course! ;~) not much info/foto's on vmps' latest iterations of their rm1 & rm2 (retail $1600 & $2400, plus options); & the new rm40 has even less - brian needs to update his website. go to the harmonicdiscord site, &/or email brian directly. (vmpsaudio.com) here's a foto of the rm40, from the '02 ces: http://www.AudioAsylum.com/cgi/image.pl?i=Cheney.jpg regards, doug s. |
hey Sedond i will look into this line ,but honestly i listen to 95% classical music and the eros may be the perfect speaker for bass plucking and drum banging (jazz R&B rock etc.) but i have a hunch that my choice now is between the affordable SL's M3($3900) and ML's CLS11Z($4000) i prefer synergistic sound as opposed to the amp driven bass sound in the eros, and the eros have a tiny sweet spot , not so with SL's with the CLS i do not know. these pannels should render the best overall symphonic sound. the SL's have a frequency "control" panel (red flag goes up) and "optional" toroidal audio transformer (red flag goes up) ,and the CLS is the more handsome of the two (girl friendly) i'll just have to hear them. |
you may be making a big mistake if you fail to check out the vmps rm-40 ribbon loudspeakers. as said before, they have been compared favorably to speakers costing more than three times their price. specifically the m-l prodigy & soundlab a1. a similar sound, that may even work better in smaller rooms, for even less money, can be found in the vmps rm1 or rm2. as it seems you are so intent on others' opinions, & that winning the best sound of the show at the 2002 ces isn't enough, go to harmonicdiscord.com & check out owners' comments on the vmps forum there. also, you'll find that brian cheney, vmps' owner, is very active & helpful. regards,
doug s. |
I have not heard the Eros, which Sean has mentioned, but otherwise my experience is the same as Albert's, that getting the sound to blend properly with hybrid ESLs is a very tricky business indeed and rarely satisfying. Mating the Quad 63 with a Gradient sub was nice, after some tweaking of the Gradient's X-over, but the the only full range ESL's which I found really convincing were the big Sound Labs. The Quad 989 only second here to my ears. If I were in your shoes I would take both Sean's and Albert's advice and listen to the Eros and hunt for a good used big Sound Lab. Cheers, |
Albert, you have to remember that the newer Eros are something like 96 db's at one watt !!! With 21 watts of tube power, they would ROAR. There are no doubts that the Innersound's ARE the king of E-stat dynamics from that point of view. Whether or not the dynamic woofer and panels blend well together is a personal decision. I've never heard them first hand, so i can't say either way. Sean
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First off, thank you to Sean and Chuckie for your kind words. Whadda ya think guys - do I owe them a nice big discount next go-round, or what??
I'd have to agree with Plato that overall the InnerSound Eros outperforms the stock Dynastat. The bass section of the Dynastat - in particular the cabinet itself - is in my opinion the weak link. I do a few tweaks that help out a bit, but that transmission line bass of the Eros is superb.
Getting the Dynastats set up right is much more difficult and involving than setting up conventional speakers or full-range electrostats. This is true of any electrostatic/dynamic hybrid. The bias control, brilliance control, and bass level control all have to be set right for your listening position (and your taste) in your room.
I would say the Eros is dangerous competition for the much more expensive Martin Prodigy. I confess, however, that I do like the wide radiation pattern of the Sound Lab speakers. I've made a few suggestions to Sound Lab regarding an improved bass section for the Dynastat, but a major redesign would probably push the price up significantly.
Amplifier matching is critical with the big full-range Sound Labs. The best bang-for-the-buck amps I have found so far are the InnerSound amps, which I sell (I don't sell their speakers, at least not yet).
I've encountered a couple of setups where the big Sound Labs were bloated in the bass. By far the worst was at 2002 CES, where the room's walls were so flimsy you could put your hand on the walls and feel them vibrating. That room was hopeless. In other rooms, I've found that moving the listening position helped a great deal.
One of my customers plays violin in a symphony orchestra. His previous speaker was a highly customized pair of Quad 57's, which he said were the only speaker he'd heard get violin right. When he listened to the big Sound Labs, he told me that not only did they get the violin right, but also cello and string bass, which was a first in his experience. Another one of my customers is a drummer, who told me the big Sound Labs have the best bottom-end definition of any speaker she's heard. Still another customer preferred the bottom end of the Sound Labs to that of his $40,000 Genesis system with something like sixteen servo-controlled woofers. I make mention of all this to point out that, when set up right (and assuming the room acoustic gods haven't cursed you), the big Sound Labs do some magical things in the bottom octave or two.
That being said, the dynamic range of the Eros is indeed greater than that of the big Sound Labs (unless you have really humongous amplifiers). Personally I prefer the package of attributes the big Sound Labs offer, but I respect the Eros a great deal.
Best wishes to you in your quest, Tweekerman! |
HELLO Fmpnd BRAVO your experience of these magical mk11 or mk1 has the most convincing testamony. so it seems your post can bring this thread to a close. Gasman and Plato both back up your experience. the description of your system sounds looks like you,ve done your homework ,i am going to take a look at the equipment you mention. its interesting martinlogan has like 8 models ,and sound lab has like 8 models innersound has 2 or 3 ,martin logan goes to $80000 sl's goes up to like $20000, big is not always better in fact almost never not! TO: all the martin logan devotees and the lovers of sound labs please refer all your protests to Gasman, Plato, and most of all to Fmpnd. as far as i'm concerned the shootout is over... lets go to the saloon.. drinks are on me. |
I heard the Innersound speakers and amps at CES this year...........One of the best sounds at the show. Giving alot of thought to becoming a Innersound dealer. Great sounding products. |
Just kidding up there - its like you sort of said awhile back you are not picking a wife just a girlfriend and sooner or later you will be bored with her and move on to something better - enjoy the MUSIC!!!! |
Tweekerman, any reason to not consider the larger Soundlab speakers used? Even the new Millennium 3 could possibly be affordable with dealer discount.
I agree with those who suggest that the Dynastat is not a particularly strong speaker. I have never heard an electrostatic hybrid sound correct, particularly against a full range model. It may surprise you to know that the larger Soundlab speakers are more efficient, due to the radiating area. I have gotten consistent 90 DB plus in my large sound room with a 21 watt SET driving Soundlab Ultimate Ones. More power is certainly preferred, but I think this makes the point about size and design being important. |
Well just buy the Bose 901's and be popular with the vast majority of the universe who thinks they are by far the best. |
i've made some calls around the country, seems the eros out performs the ml line in same price range. soundlab's dynastat needs to go back to drawing board but their m3($7300) to their a1 ($16700) takes prize as best speaker in the universe. note: i came across a old post where someone called Mr.Roger Sanders and asked which amp for isis , he told them seems all pretty much the same on a equal footing. some dealer in california said exactly the same thing. hmmm interesting... said goes for cables as well. i always believed that about speaker wire but thought i was wrong when i saw all these beautiful thick cables. interesting...says he has done many blindfolded tests and no one gets it right between $50 cables and $1000 cables... interesting... very...says speakers makes all the difference. pretty much my ideas, so i chose krell and nad cdp, just any old amp will do as well as any old cdp. this and 50 cents won't buy you a cup of coffee . |
well i've heard enough seems like the choice would be the same as a choice between a beautiful blond, brunette, or redhead. |
Ask the Eros dealer how much he will sell you a pair of the traded in ML's - bet he does not have any. All the speakers you are looking at are pretty good and should serve you well. |
hey Chuckie so you vote big for sound lab. plato votes big on eros passive but prefers eros active. gasman says cls11z gets his top vote and eros gets a close second. called a dealer for eros mk11 and he said all martin logan owners are trading up to his eros. i guess all are about equally spectatular speakers. we can all agree to this and ...and you say the musicians were ACTUALLY there in your room!!! so then sound labs webpage tells the truth "THE FINEST IN ELECTROSTATIC TECHNOLOGY" ... but i have to confess some bills rolled in today (car repairs etc.) looks like i'll have to settle for the little ISIS from innersound ($2600 or so says a dealer) or the martin logan AEON ($3000) but then with either of these little electros i can get my pathos classic one which should have just enough power, but according to 2 dealers "the sweetest in power". thanks everyone for the tech info. from what Chuckie says seems thats as close to heaven as you get. tweekerman |
Tweekerman, I have heard all the speakers you mention and I must agree with Plato -- the EROS, IMHO are in another league (for MY taste and MY preferences in MY room). I am not here to brag about my system , tell you what IS or IS not the "best" of anything or to say that anyone choosing the MLs or Dyna's is wrong.
Being single with no children, (and due to the prices I get on gear) has allowed me to put together a fairly high level of electronics. Right now I have all Lamm electronics (M1.1 amps, L2 Reference Line stage and LP2 phono stage), Sonic Frontiers T3/P3 (transport and DAC), VPI TNT-V with JMW 12.5 arm & Van den Hul Colibri with Valhalla and Silversmith cabling (along with a plethora of isolation devices, PCs and an Audio Magic Stealth and PP300). I mention this because many people think that I should have a set of $15,000-$30,000 speakers to match the electronics -- but I ended up with the EROS. I sold a $10,000 pair of highly respected full range dynamic speakers (Hales T-8s) after hearing what these EROS did in my system.
The EROS have as big of a soundstage as my T-8s but have much better midrange, better focus, tremendous speed and, surprisingly enough, excellent bass from the transmission line woofer (which I believe is the most seamless integration of a hybrid design I have ever heard). Now to be fair, I did add two REL Stentor III sub-bass systems to the EROS. I did NOT do this because I thought the EROS didn't have sufficient bass, but did so after a very impressive demo by Allan Haggar of Sumiko (REL importer)of a what the REL Stentor III did for FULL range speakers. Mine are crossed over way down at 23hz.
The EROS has much more of a "reach out and touch the performer" feel than any other speaker I have had. I also have heard some of the Soundlabs recently and they are wonderful at many things. In Novemeber, I heard a set of Soundlab M-1s with VERY good electronics and cables and, with female vocals and acoustic music, they were simply breathtaking! But, these are not only $13,000 speakers, but on the punchy, hard driving, 70's soul and jazz/funk I love to listen too (e.g., Tower of Power), they sounded, to my ears, horrible. They could not play at louder spl levels and the band had NO punch - the bass was overbloated and the horn section sounded like they were 500 feet away and weak. I have NO such problem with the EROS at all -- they can play the acoustic music with finese and detail and yet get up and boogie with the punchy stuff. Finally, the clarity and lack of congestion and smearing with the EROS is amazing.
Last Friday, Allan Haggar of Sumiko came to my home to help me set-up my second REL. He has heard many systems and commented on how he had never liked MLs but could not believe how dynamic and yet non-fatiguing the EROS were. But what really struck him (he is a classically trained musician) was how the large scale classical and his favorite HUGE scale organ CDs had no congealing, smearing or compression. He said he heard details he's never heard before from his reference discs -- (to be fair, since I know my system, the Valhallas also contributed to this).
Downside of the EROS? Well, first of all, VERY small sweet spot. The panels being flat and not curved like the MLs, give up the wider disperion that MLs have but, IMHO, make up for this smaller sweet spot with much better sonics. If you want to listen while walking around the room or with three other people - fahget abodit, unless they are in your lap! :-) Second, they need power, notwithstanding their rating (although not as much as say a Soundlab M or A series).
I also agree with Plato on the MK-I vs. the MK-II (I should point out that I have the MK-II panels and both the MK-I and MK-II bass amp/x-over units). I, personally, like the MK-I amp a litle better but it's a close call and subject to further auditioning (Roger Sanders will disagree I'm sure). All in all, my opinion is that the EROS should NOT compared to the Dynas or Ascents, neither of which in my system are in even the EROS league. I believe the better comarison for the $6,000 EROS is with the much more expensive SLs or MLs.
Finally, they don't come any better than Roger Sanders at Innersound - class act, ALWAYS willing to help even if it doesn't produce profit to him and always accesible. |
Hi Plato, Unfortunately I haven´t heard the Innersounds so I can´t comment on the Eros. I´m sure they´re sounding great but I´m not so sure they would pass the WAF test and so far I´m very happy with my musical Magnepans.
Which full range ´stats in the SL line have you heard? I don´t think I have the space to house them but I´m curious to know how they compare to other panels. |
Soundlab for sure if its got to be electrostat, the Maggies can sound really nice as well but differ from the electrostatic sound to an extent. You will hear the associated equipments flaws in any revealing, neutral speaker like Maggies or good electrostats. The 1.6qr can sound excellent with the proper gear behind them, I'd be scared to hear 1.6's with substandard associated equipment. Most dynamic planars and electrostats expose the good and the bad in the chain, so be prepared for not so impressive sound with the wrong associated equipment, wrong room and wrong placement with panels.
I think there is great value for the money with used elecrostats like Soundlab as most owners take excellent care of them, they are usually kept safe from danger in a friendly environment and are seldom moved. For bass you need big electrostats to produce low frequencies; most agree that Soundlab has done its homework to ensure that this has been accomplished. The hybrids I have heard never seem to integrate as well as full-range electrostats, theres no way I would throw a sub in the system with the Soundlabs. Well maybe 2 more SL's used as bass panels :)
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Tweekerman, to answer your question, I would take the Eros Mk-II over the CLS IIz and the REL Storm combo (to me that's not even a close call). As transparent as the CLS IIz may be, the Eros is equally adept. And I have never heard the CLS throw the kind of huge, open soundfield that the Eros can easily manage. Nor can it match The Eros' dynamic capability or maximum output level. Plus if you get the Eros II, you may find that you don't even need a subwoofer. And you can always add a great subwoofer down the road if you think you are missing much. Actually, Roger Sanders does not recommend a subwoofer for use with the Eros unless it is a very high quality sub crossed very low. With the CLS you will almost certainly need the woofer right off the bat.
BTW, for those who are curious, Roger Sanders is not resting on his laurels. He is working on an even larger electrostatic system, the Ethos, although that system may not be a reality in the near term. He has also told me of some tube amplifiers he is developing, including a direct-drive OTL model to drive his ESL panels, which may be introduced sometime later this year.
InnerSound appears to be a proactive company, that is not about to become complacent in the light of the good press it has received thus far. I think this kind of progressive approach is key to continuing success in the long term. |
Tweekerman
Hey,I own Soundlab Ultimate II's and live near New Orleans.You gotta go see Duke at Audiokinesis,he's the man.504.866.1730.He's extremely knowledgeable about audio and Soundlab's.Also,he's a audio club president/vice president or something of that nature,locally.Ask him about the club.I would seek him out for anything in audio if he carries it.No pressure has ever been placed on me to purchase anything for him.Go see him you'll have a blast!
BTW,my Soundlabs have found permanence in my home.Never have I had such glorious music before these were purchased. Remember mating Soundlabs with the "right" amp,preamp and cables pays big dividends.I have had my Ultimate II's for four years and "finally" I'm close to saying it can't get much better than this.I listen now without being critical.I have "arrived". I used to hear people talk about "musicians in the room" with their systems.They also show up in my listening room now.As you can see when you mention Soundlab,I get excited.!Also,consult Albert Porter about Soundlabs.You will probably see him appear in this thread eventually.I don't give out email addresses you must talk to him.
Chuckie |
these retail for $4600 ($3800 if ya can install the drivers yourself). they're hybrid ribbons, w/carbon-fibre woofers. they just won best sound of show at the recent ces. many folks have compared then favorably w/the ultra-spendy soundlabs, & the m-l prodigy's... they're on my short-list of speakers to audition... doug s. |
PLATO i just read your note to Hasse i think you answered my question sound labs dynostat vs. eros. but what about eros mk11($6000) vs. cls11z($4000)+rel storm111 sub ($1000)? |
Ljgj now we are talking something altogether new. if one goes to innersound web page there is only a choice between the old eros and the upgraded eros mk11. if one goes to soundlabs web you will find spectular electrostats the very expensive A and the expensive M series. but dynastat is all i can barely afford (in debt as opposed to bankrupt). so this brings us to this conclusion, the dynostats are $4000 and the cls11z are $4000, which to go with? GASMAN casts his vote for innersound's eros as a total package but stated in a nice letter that his personal favorite is the cls11z. GASMAN states "you will not hear what this speaker (cls11z) can really do unless you use the innersound esl amp". PLATO as well casts his vote for the eros mk11, however he likes the monarchy se-100 delux over the innersound " by a small margin". PLATO also said to make sure its the upgraded with the hitachi mosfet. remember the full range soundlabs are twice the price as the cls11z and old eros. i guess the only way to solve this is to go listen to the dynostats today. i will have to locate a dealer for the eros and the elusive cls11z (new orleans dealer and the birmingham dealer says special order only) so my question to you is would the cls11z($4000) with a (used) rel storm 111($500) sub out perform the dynostats($4000) as well as the up graded eros mk11($6000)? |
Hasse, sorry if I come off as sort of an evangelist for the Eros, but I know from personal experience that the Eros Mk-II will deliver more extended and dynamic bass than the Maggie 3.6 and clean, very articulate highs out past the upper limits of the audible range without losing its composure -- as long as the amp can supply adequate power without clipping. The Eros will also play much louder than the 3.6 without self-destructing or blowing fuses.
I think the full-range Sound Labs are excellent speakers, but are very large, expensive, and are even more demanding of their amplification than the Eros. |
