Efficient Floorstander

Thanks for the link. I had a nice talk with Duke this morning about various options for now, and in the future. I'm pretty much set on the Jazz 2.0 model. I can get the Jazz now, and depending on happens later, can add the "Effects speaker" if space permits. If I move to a smaller space later, I can tune the speaker to fit the room. I really like the idea of a speaker that can adapt to my room. Thanks Everybody for all your input.
John

Hi Jwlaff,

Some owner and listener comments on my speakers here:
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=52153.0

Another owner here:
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=87553.0

An interesting comment from a dealer and self-described horn hater:
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=78557.msg784475#msg784475 (edit: That link didn't quite work right; see the second post from the top on page 3 by OzarkTom.)

Duke

Thanks again for your responses. I checked out the Audiokinesis website, and the speakers looked very interesting. The room I have now is decent size, but in the future I don't know where I may be living. The room size may be large or small. I like the flexibility of Duke's line of speakers, and it looks like they would be easily driven by my amp. The Jazz Modules would be at the top of my budget which is 5k, so they're doable. Are there any user reviews of his speakers?

Duke's speakers would work nicely in your room, I would recommend you consider the Rhythm Prisms as they are the smallest floor stander he offers. I have been using his Jazz Modules for several years now in a variety of rooms, one of which was much smaller than yours. Their flexibility with placement is a bonus. Duke himself was pretty surprised at how I had mine set up in a very small room and how good they sounded.

That being said I do not know what your budget is, but Duke has a introduced newer version of the Jazz Modules. They are larger and About twice the price of the Rhythm Prisms but IMO these speakers have proven to me to be far and away better than anything else I have heard in my system, including the Audio Note ANe's which are substantially more in cost.

I second Duke's comments as a happy owner of a pair of Audiokinesis Prismas. My room is 15'w 12'd with 8' ceiling. I sit 8' from the front plane of the speakers. The toe-in built into the cabinets gives a wide sweet spot and minimizes side wall reflections. I have a bass hump due to increased loading on the left side of the room. The dual rear porting allowed me to smooth room bass response. The speakers are supplied with different length port tubes. My JAS array tube amp drives them with lots of relaxed power.

In order to work well in both small rooms and big rooms, here are some of the things that imo help:

1. A well-controlled, uniform radiation pattern. The well-controlled part allows you to aim the pattern to avoid early sidewall reflections (which helps the room seem bigger than it really is); and the uniform part because whatever role the reverberant energy ends up playing, we want it to support (rather than detract from) good timbre. Imo the reverberant field is more important than the first-arrival sound in most rooms, and I can explain why if you'd like.

2. A fairly high degree of adjustability in the bass region. The kind of bass tuning that works well in a large room with modest boundary reinforcement can be overwhelming in a small room with strong boundary reinforcement. The port location is less important than how the box is positioned and tuned; Audio Note speakers, for instance, are rear-ported and tuned to go in the corners. Imo there are valid arguments for rear porting that are especially applicable to small rooms, assuming it's done right.

3. Some adjustability in the high treble region. Short wavelengths are the most easily absorbed, and the amount of absorption varies quite a bit from one room to another, so it's nice to be able to dial that in a bit.

4. You already have efficiency on your list, but I wanted to add that good efficiency generally helps at both ends of the loudness spectrum: You tend to get better liveliness at low levels (useful in a small room), and you can enjoy the crescendos in a big room. In all rooms, high efficiency (and/or, to a lesser extent, high thermal power handling) correlates well with good dynamic contrast, and dynamic contrast is used by musicians to convey emotion.

Nice amp, by the way.

Duke
dealer/manufacturer/yes I got a dog in the fight

I second Dodgealum and Daedalus, I understand about your price limits. We both answer threads regularly and recommend Daedalus. They are simply great speakers and my DA-RMAs are staying for good.

I changed from Acoustic Zen Adagios and I can recommend them too. Well finished, with a benign impedence and reasonable sensitivity, I think 89db if I remember rightly. I thought them very good for the price and was able to drive them with a 20 watt SET, so they should be OK with the Audiomatt, though you can never be sure, unless you try them in your room.

You still might look out for second hand Daedalus, or Lou at the company may know someone wanting to sell, to upgrade. They don't come up for sale often second hand, people don't sell them

Zu's are nice speakers. I would recommend speakers that have adjustable bass like the Zu Def mk4's. If you move into a smaller room you can adjust the bass so it does not over power the room. Or if you like the speakers you already have just add a quality sub or 2 with adjustable gain/eq.

Either way adjustable bass will make changing rooms much less painful.

Holley,
What do you think of the Zu Omen Def's in a smaller room than I have now. Would they work?

The Tannoy's look good Aprica, I'm wondering how they would be if I have to move to a smaller room. I read a review on Hifi Pig, and they really liked them.

Tannoy turnberry se 93db 8ohm. very efficient floorstander.

I just looked at the Daedalus speakers online. Wow! They're beautiful. I like the 96db. Unfortunately it's over my budget. (which I neglected to say) I have about 5k to play with. I'd like to avoid the subwoofer path, and go with a floorstanding setup. 30 hz-35 hz would be great. Has anyone heard the Acoustic Zen Adagio? They seem like an easy load on an amp, and they're front ported, so if I do have to go to a smaller room, they might be ok closer to the front wall. I don't know, that's why I ask. The reviews seem good, but, it's just a review. lol. I really wish I could go out and hear some of these speakers, but it's just not possible right now. So I'm kind of on a wing and a prayer!

If you like your current speakers why not consider a subwoofer which you could then sell if you move into a smaller space? If you decide on a floorstander, then take a look at Daedalus--a very efficient and musically compelling speaker. Not sure what your budget is but the Athena might be a good choice since it is Lou's smallest floorstander.

Hi,
Thanks for your responses. Bob, I'm looking for more bass foundation. The Twins are good, as far as they go, but I'd like to get deeper bass. I've looked into both Tekton and Zu. They both seem like fine lines. The Tekton Seas Pendragon? Too big in a smaller room? The Zu Omen Def looks like an option too.

For your musical styles, Tekton or Zu sound like a good fit (I am assuming you are looking for more bass than your current monitors provide). I'd give the Zu guys a call and tell them your needs -- they are great to work with. They also have a 60 day return policy, so you get a chance to hear the speakers in your own setting.

Tekton