Dyscoveries on Dyna, Denon, Supex, Technics,FR,Ik


Dear friends: Over the time and testing/trying different cartridges ( " old " and new ones ) with different tonearms to find the " best " performance on each cartridge I find some interesting subjects that I want to share with all of you:

Denon 103: this is one of my oldest cartridges that I own and I use it for a while many years ago. In the last three years every time that I mounted and hear it I can't heard it for more than half hour, that's why I always treat it like a " rubbish cartridge " in my posts about. I try it with almost every single tonearm that I own and the result was always the same.
Then, I take in count that in all the tonearms ( removable and fixed headshell ) I can't tighten to much the headshell screws because the 103 is " open " ( input to output ) all the way where the screw goes and if I try to really tighten then the screw goes out of the cartridge body ( it is dificult to me this explanation because my English problems, I hope you can understand ).
I don't like to tailored the cartridge sound through tight ( more or less pressure ) the headshell screws, I always tighten the screws at " its limits " where IMHO and experiences there are less resonances/vibrations on it with better overall performances.
So, what to do?, it happen that I have an Audio Technica AT-LH18/OCC headshell ( headshell weight: 18grs. ) that has screwed holes underneath the headshell ( these holes are 2mm in deep, don't cross/pass the headshell ) in this manner I can tight the screws at maximum with out any trouble, well this was a great solution ( along with the weight of the headshell ) because I mounted the 103 in the Dynavector 505 ( similar to 507 ) and the performance change for the better like night and day, now I can hear the 103 for more than half an hour: very good improvement, this not means that now the 103 is at the XV-1/Myabi/etc performance level: no, but now the 103 has a decent performance that for its price is very good.

Dynavector XV-1: this one is one of my favorite cartridges, I really like it. It is a cartridge that almost always perform very good in almost any tonearm. Well I never be satisfied with " very good " performance I always look for excellent/exemplary performance.
I read some posts where XV-1 owners posted that this cartridge is a very good match with the Dynavector 505/507 tonearms and this was not my own experience about, it sounds good but nothing more.
I decide to try a little hard on the subject with: VTA/VTF/load impedance/etc,/etc with out any " great " results.
Then I decide to try with different headshells ( other than the original 507/505 ones ) till I find that with a light weight headshell ( Denon 100% magnesium, 6gr. The Dyna headshells weight: around 14-15 grs. ) the performance was/is glorious for say the least: I never heard ( any where ) better XV-1 performance that in this set-up.

Fidelity Research MC 702: this is a very " old " MC cartridge design. It is an integral headshell design, bulky one ( " ugly " ? ) at 30-32 grs, low compliance 6-7 Cu, low output 0.2mv and likes VTF 2-3grs.

I own this cartridge for at least 20 years and I buy it second hand in almost new/pristine condition. After many years I set up ( last December ) in my Micro Seiki MAX 282 tonearm ( it likes tonearms like: Ikeda, Dynavector, Audiocraft, SAEC, etc, etc ) and for the very first musical note I knew that this cartridge was something very special.
After 20 hours the sound performance was/is formidable/marvelous, I don't have words to describe my " surprise ", the best I can tell is that the music flow easily through this cartridge like in almost any other ( any where ) cartridge I heard.
If you " see " it ( second hand ) and if you have the right tonearm and phonolinepreamp then buy it!!!!!

Supex SDX 2200R: Another " old " MC design with screw open body type design ( like the 103 you need the right headshell ), ruby cantilever and low output 0.2mv. Man

I make the set-up on the Lustre GST 801 tonearm and sound was terrible at the begin, I have to wait 30 hours for the suspension settle down.
This was/is a great cartridge too, IMHO it competes with cartridges like the Universe ( are very similar in quality performance ) or any other today ones. Many people look for the Supex 900 series ( that I owned ) well the Supex Ruby beats easily those ones.

Audio Technica ATML 180 OCC: One of the greatest MM cartridges ever made.
This model ( I understand ) never sale in USA, the one that was on sale was the ATML 170 and 160 ( still very good ).

Till you hear a MM cartridge with the right phonolinepreamp you can't understand how good/great are the MM cartridges. During my last trip I was in San Diego and Norm heard in his system ( I think for the first time ) a MM cartridge the Empire EDR.9: he was happily surprised, he really likes the quality sound performance of this 100.00 dls MM cartridge.

Some MM cartridges like this one not only compete with any top MC cartridge out there but in some ways beat them, yes ( IMHO ) is better that any single Koetsu I heard it, that any ZYX or Lyra.
It is incredible that a 500.00 MM cartridge could be better performer than a 6-8K MC one.
This cartridge I mated with the Technics EPA 100MK2.

Technics 205CMK4: A marvelous MM cartridge. As good the Audio Technica is this one is better!!!!
What can I say about?, almost nothing but: Magic Diamond, Allaerts, Dynavector, Transfiguration, you named: the Technics is at least at the same level in any single sound performance parameter and beat almost all those MC cartridges for neutrality/natural tone balance, like I already say: marvelous cartridge!!!!!, if you have the tonearm and right phonolinepreamp then buy it!!!!
Mine is matched with the Micro Seiki MAX 282.

Ikeda 9REX: This one is a today MC cartridge with a unique design characteristic for a MC cartridge: it does not use cantilever ( like the cutter lhate/heads on the recording ), the design is with out cantilever. It is a very low output 0.16mv, weighty: 17grs, low compliance: 6CU and like VTF 2.8grs.

It is obvious that this cartridge is not for everyone, not only need the right tonearm and the very best phonolinepreamp out there but a lot of patience to obtain the best performance.
When you achieve this " best performance " you knowed because you will be in heaven.
The sound performance of this cartridge is a " little " different for all we know: the inmediacy of the sound and transients are second to none, the pitch/texture/no overhang/tight/fast bass is second to none, the high frequencies extension and speed are second to none, etc, etc.
You can't be near the live music like with this Ikeda cartridge: this one really is truer to the recording audio device!!!
You have to be a experienced music lover who attend very often to live events to understand what you are hearing through the Ikeda cartridge, you can't compare its sound performance with the sound performance of any other cartridge: it is not only the subject if it is better or not but the subject is that is different/near the live event.
It is an infamous bad traker: it does not like any single dust in the LP or in the stylus, we have to have everything in pristine condition. It takes more than 200 hours to hear it at its best. Like I told you: we need patience and know how.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
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Dear friends: Sorry to take the thread for this:



Some Agoner send me an email asking for something ( Brinkman/Transrotor ) unfortunatelly my computer blokade his email and I losted ( I'm terrible with computers ).

Hi there,please email me again.



Regards and enjoy the music.

Raul.
Dear friends: I'm so exited with the B&O cartridge that I already buy a second one the MMC 6000 that I'm waiting to have it at the end of next week, I will try to report something on it.

Regards and enjoy the music.
raul.
Dear friends: Well I don't finish yet the 750 LTD testing but at the same time I bought a Bang&Olufsen MMC20EN second hand through Ebay.
In the auction of that cartridge I read it that the cartridge was out of work ( something wrong with the stylus ) but I want to win the auction because the cartridge comes with a very special universal headshell ( normally those cartridges are for the B&O TT: plug-in, that does not need that kind of headshell ) that I can use it in the future with other B&O cartridges.
I just receive it and for my surprise the cartridge is in wonderful operation condition and I remark: wonderful because the quality performance is at that level.
The cartridge alond the headshell weights no more than 10grs so it is almost impossible to find a removable headshell tonearm that could handled, I try to make the set-up in two-three of my low mas tonearms but was impossible to balance it: too light.
Suddenly I think in the Dynavector 505 with the A subweight and now is running and I don't know if the 505 is the best match but is the only tonearm that I have that can handled it and the sound reproduction is impressive.
Btw, my cartridge is an original B&O not a re-build or something like that because there are some B&O sources but are not original ones.

Btw, any one of you know which is the ideal capacitance for this cartridge?, I appreciate your advise about.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Raul,SO....were you the good natured hobbyist who loaned out his MC-2 Finish to Mr. Fremer?Just curious,and you are a very good natured guy to do so!-:)
Best!
The Grace F9 Ruby is one of my all time favorites. I don't own one but have a friend who did.

Just installed the Audio Technica AT25 ( has two laminated, toroidal ring cores ). It's a great match to the 1200's tonearm, as the carbon fiber armature dampens spurious resonances. This cartridge's bass and midbass response is spooky. Let's see how it breaks in. The Ortofon X-5 high output MC still excels in transparency and extreme high frequencies.

I'm still awaiting delivery of the Empire 750 LTD. Should be an interesting comparison, given Raoul's extensive knowledge of cartridges.

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Dear friends: +++++ " The Grace F9E is very impressive. It has a tighter/punchier bass and handles the highs a little better than the EDR. The EDR on the other hand has a more engaging midrange. " +++++

This is what an audio friend ( very well respected ) told me about. Which are your performance experiences with the Grace F9E?

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear Friends: Here is a new Audio technica MM cartridge model, any one of you already hear it?:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Audio-Technica-AT150Ti-VM-Cartridge-NEW_W0QQitemZ300103216084QQihZ020QQcategoryZ48648QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
As always,interesting stuff.BTW...RAUL,that had to be your Allaerts MC-2 Finish that M.Fremer reviewed.How many other loaners can come out of Mexico?Also,if you were born in New York,like me,I doubt if you would be so trusting.-:)
Best!
Back in the '80s, I used to run a Grado TLZ. I think in those days I had a Keith Monk's unipivot tonearm (mercury contacts, probably banned by EPA at this point) on a Thorens TD-125. At times that Grado was magical. I do remember that it was demonstrably far better than the other Grados then available. I still have my TLZ, and you guys are making me think I should break it out again.
Dear friends: I'm in a in deep audition of the Empire 750 LTD before I could post about.

In the mid-time for the people that are interested in other " cartridge gems " here are some desirable ones:

Micro Acoustics MA-630, Fulton HP, Goldbug Brier, Sonus Gold Blue **, ELAC 896, Stanton 981, ADC Astrion.

** This one you could find here.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Sonus-Gold-Blue-Audiophile-Cartridge-NEW_W0QQitemZ220102372030QQihZ012QQcategoryZ64620QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD2VQQcmdZViewItem

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Funny. Some of us who promoted some of these vintage and newer MM's in the past were derided as heretics.
Thanks for the reminder Ctm. I'm finding the EDR9 pretty sweet for the coin. Compared to the Shelter 901, there's more bass, tho what's there is a bit more wooly. Midrange compares very favorably, not much less articulate or engaging than the 901. The one big difference is it deals with surface noise a lot less gracefully.

So maybe not rivalling this $1500 cart, but certainly holding its own. By now the EDR has 20-30 hrs, the new armtube that the Shelter is on has maybe 10. But it's silver (a blue dot) vs. the copper red dot the EDR's on. Also the Shelter is benefiting from the balanced, current-gain input on the Aqvox, while the Empire is going into the more mundane (according to reviewers) single-ended input. So two strikes against the Empire, but it's still hitting with the big boys.

I've got a 750 LTD on order now.
you're a star, raul! just had to buy the 750 ltd as well on your recommendation. Cannot try either yet as my amp is still at the menders (2 months now no vinyl!) thanks again. i love the ability of "low end" litle thought of gems to appear to someone who has the width and depth of audio experience and the willingness to share. i am very excited and looking forward to getting my amp back and letting fly with the two empire carts. Where are all you Walker owners? Albert? would love your opinion of it.. thanks again Raul
Dear friends: Maybe some could ask why I mentioned that these cartridges could be good match for Rockport/Walker TT, well for what I understand those tonearms are in between lo/mid effective mass and the Empire's like this kind of tonearms due to its high compliance.

Maybe, we could think that it could be " crazy " to try ( even to think ) those inexpensive cartridges with those very top high end and high price TT's. Well I'm almost sure that those " very modest " cartridges have nothing to be " on shame " with that analog rig and could have a very good quality performance.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Back then, good sound was available to everybody. Along came high end...

Ridculous, isn't it?

Now, how many dare get a KAB modded Technics 1200 turntable?

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Dear friends: +++++ " . First impressions are it is a different presentation style to the mc's; more up-front, easy to pick out individual instruments, full dynamic sound, soundstage concentrated towards the middle rather than the boundaries. Other impression is compared to my UNIverse the slam factor is more pronounced, articulation less analytical. " +++++

+++++ " Its had about 5 hours playing now, and im VERY impressed with it..quite blown away in fact. There's an aliveness and dynamism Ive not heard from my system before..brings out the perkiness and PRAt of the Lenco superbly...cant wait to see what it sounds like after another 20-30 hours!!! " +++++

+++++ " The EDR images wonderfully, but I would be pointing to a 16" square spot. Personally, I preferred the EDR's imaging because it struck me as more like my experience of live music. When I sit in a hall, I can hear the wonderful timbre of, say, a live violin, but with eyes closed I cannot point precisely to the sound hole -- the sound fills the room. So for imaging I preferred the EDR." +++++

+++++ " . The EDR produces weightier, fuller voices. And, again, these thicker voices struck me as sounding more like my experience of listening to live music... " +++++

+++++ " . I'm surprised how well the EDR9 does dynamics and I'm with you in preferring realistic imaging to "audiophile holographic." " +++++

+++++ " around 20 hours by now, the cart is starting to sing, so much so, that it now eclipses the Koetsu RS in performance. " +++++

+++++ " I just put an EDR9 on my Moerch (red dot)/Teres 265 into an Aqvox. Sounds great! Not as much bass as my Shelter 901, but the mids and highs sound just as smooth. That was with zero break-in, too. " +++++

+++++ " No, the EDR.9 did not outperform the Miyabi. In all of the parameters mentioned below the Miyabi was more refined and was at a higher level of performance quality overall. But the differences between them were not night and day and the EDR.9 VERY impressively held its own. It immediately called attention to itself with its terrific tonal balance with convincingly natural timbral presentation of instruments and voices. It had acceptable dynamics & articulation while also having relatively smooth presentation (see below for more details). It was resolving and had good image focus with convincing layering, depth and overall scale of soundstage " +++++

These are a few comments of people ( other than me ) that already try inexpensive MM cartridges and that share with us their findings about, all those opinions are on cartridges that were on storage 20 or more years and that not have more than 20 hours of broke-in: could you imagine how better could be its quality performance if those cartridges were " fresh "/today build ones?, WOW!!!!!!!!

One subject that I really attract to me is that ( till today ) no one speaks/report in a negative manner.

Many of you with great audio systems and specially with Rockport and Walker TT/tonearm could take advantage of those quality TT/tonearm performance to find a " new quality music sound reproduction world ". I'm sure that every one that try those cartridges will be not only " surprised " but well satisfied.

IMHO and for the people that cares about music it is a must to have those little/inexpensive " gems " before disappear/out of stock.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear friends: Today I was " playing " around with capacitance range for the 750 LTD. In the specs manual you can read that the recomended capacitance is 150pf and at the HI FI NOVA web site: 350 pf.
Well, it does not work well with either ( at least in my system ), I'm finish with a 50-100pf range: I think I prefer 50pf .
This cartridge is very sensitive to changes in the capacitance value, well almost all MM cartridges are.

It will be interesting that you that have the EDR.9/205CMK3 could make some work about and could share with us your findings.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear friends: I always say that I learn ( and I'm ready/open to learn ) evry single day and today was not the exception.

I just receive the Empire 750 LTD MM cartridge and I'm exited/emotional/motivated to share with you that if you like the EDR.9 the 750 LTD will bring to you a new " grade level " to hear music.

Just put on this way: for the last four days I'm hearing the 750 LTD and in each day I'm not only enjoying it but I don't feel the necessity to switch off or to heard a different source, even more: I want to following hearing for many many hours like never happen in my audio life.

Something that I already posted about the Allaerts MC2 Finish ( I don't " feel " this with other cartridge. ) is that when the Allaerts stylus hit the track LP everything is settled, you know everything is right and enjoy the music, nothing else. Well for my surprise this is my " feelings " about the 750 LTD, it is perfect? , certainly no but it is one of the less " I'm here " cartridges that I experienced.

The best news on this 750 LTD is that you can get it ( NOS ) for only $95.00 !!!!

Normally I don't disturb the Agon friend's with email's but the findings on this thread make me do it, I'm sorry for that. I talk about because some of those friends give me very good answers, others " dead silence " and some one told me " I'm not looking for a cartridge ". Well I only try to help.

Regards and enjoy the music.
raul.

Raul--I'm getting a new armtube tomorrow to mount the 901 in for more direct comparisons. Will let you know.
Dear Maxson: It will be interesting your EDR.9 finds after 20-25 hours, not only on the bass performance but overall against your 901. Could you?

regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear Winegasman: Please left something for other music lover people!!!.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
I just put an EDR9 on my Moerch (red dot)/Teres 265 into an Aqvox. Sounds great! Not as much bass as my Shelter 901, but the mids and highs sound just as smooth. That was with zero break-in, too. May have some stuff for sale soon.
Just bought my 3rd EDR.9 from French guy. Looks like I'm set for a few years! Thanks again, Raul -- this cart makes me very happy.
Dear Flyingred: Something that you could try with your EDR.9 is to take out the stylus guard. I do it and I hear a subtle improvement in the overall transparency sound reproduction.

Regards and enjoy the music.
raul.
Dear Steve: Maybe the difference is because you are using the AU with your Technics and I'm using the SC arm wand, other difference is that I'm using the MAX 282 not in its dynamic balanced way but static one. Anyway the Technics cartridge is really good.

I'm for the direct drive TT technology and own 4 SP10 MK2 and two Denon ones. Unfortunately I don't send yet to build the arm boards for I can try it, but I'm sure will be great performers.

I can see that you own too the SDX2000, very nice cartridge. Btw, very nice system you own.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Raul, it is still early days but I found that with damping I got better definition in terms of space and timing so there is somehow more focus and direct translation, perhaps a bit more slam as well. Now I changed the damping fluid to a low viscosity number (30,000) and I have adjusted the level on the arm to minimal depth of contact. I am using the Max 282 on a highly modded SP10 M2 in a purpose built plinth with a very heavy audiolife platter on the table which gives the table a high impact presentation. The arm board is totally islolated from the table/platter/drive as well. In comparison to my RX 5000 this table gives a lot of wieght but is probably a bit slower in terms of transient energy, less edgy more solid. BTW when you set the SP10 up with a very heavy platter you start to see the benefits of both worlds and of course you get extreme rotational stability and eliminate any motor noise and vibration with the heavy mass constrained layer plinth I built. With the experience to date on this set up I am really interested to see how the new Teres DD will perform. My Triplanar sounds very sweet with the Technics as well.

For the record the other stuff is all highly modded Sonic Frontiers Phono 1 with Bugle boy NOS in the right spot, modded SF Line3, SF Power3 or Bryston 7BSST's and speakers based on Focal 7" drivers and Raven R1 ribbons in MTM formation (sent my old brilliant Quad ESL Pro 63's packing) and dual sealed Shiva subs. For digital I use a special Denon DV2900 transport and a Kora Hermes DAC. My reference cart is the UNIverse, with a Koetsu RS, Monster Alpha 1000, Denon 103R, & Supex SD2000 as variations. All of this is in a purpose built music H/T room with acoustic treatment that is by far the best way to optimise your listening pleasure (versus continual upgrading of electronics). My current project is a rebuild of the Lenco L75 idler deck and I hope to get that ready for a spin over Easter! Trying to sell the Brystons as the SF Power 3 is as good as it gets once it has been finely tuned by Chris Johnson at Parts Connexion.

Steve
Dear Radicalsteve: I don't know in your system but I hear my Technics in The MAX 282 with out damping and like me more than with damping, specially at both frequency extremes.

I think that the GST801 will be a great match for that cartridge too.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Correction to previous post

My enthusiasm for elevating the Technics 205CMK3 performance obscured the fact that of course it has an integrated headshell and so I will not be able to try it on the SME V or in the Yamamoto headshell that the Koetsu is currently in. A good reason to find the MK4 version I guess.
Further update on the Technics 205CMK3

After further burn in, around 20 hours by now, the cart is starting to sing, so much so, that it now eclipses the Koetsu RS in performance. The cart benefits from some light damping to solidify the bootom end, but it is not critical. On my Technics EPA 100 I can dial in the damping and found 1.8 (1-5 scale) worked best. However, I think I am getting a more dynamic sound and coherent, wider soundstage in the Micro 282 AU arm with a middle of the range damping. I would not have guessd this initially. The cart might perform very well in my SME V and that will be the next step as it approaches 30 hours of use. I should note that the cart is currently installed in a Sumiko headshell, and I would anticipate a more lifelike improvement from micro-dynamics when I put it in my ebony Yamamoto headshell with fine silver litz headshell wires I seconded from my old Acos GST-801.

You can't mistake the dynamic nature of this cart and it is different from my equally dynamic UNIverse, which probably dissects the music more where the Technics is more holistic in its delivery.

Further updates to follow.
Dear david: Do you have any " report " that you want to share with us about your EDR.9?

Regards and enjoy the musiC.

raul.
Dear Sirspeedy: When you get the right tonearm for a top cartridge I can tell you that almost all the time you will like it a lot.

Btw, the Allaerts is still the one to beat from the today cartridges ( at least from the cartridges that I heard ).

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Raul did you ever consider doing a cartridge survey/review similar to the Joe's Tube Lore survey,on NOS tubes?Rating what you like best and giving us your "distinct" prefference.Last year you rated the Allaerts Finish as "the one" to beat,but now you like almost everything.
Sure there is MUCH to love,but surely you can give a "best of the best" rating,if you so choose to.
This could possibly become a standard of reference survey,if you so chose.
Just my two cents!
Best.
Dear Flyingred: +++++ " How come this cart wasn't famous in its day, when we were all buying Shures and Audio Tecnicas? " +++++

Well, in those times the Empire cartridges were well know but nothing special till they had the EDR.9 ( that was the last time I heard about Empire ) but too many people does not care about and Empire was a little low profile with the EDR.9. In that time I knew it but never had the money to buy it.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Nice report Rich and congratulations on your decision. I'm surprised how well the EDR9 does dynamics and I'm with you in preferring realistic imaging to "audiophile holographic."

I'm tracking at 1.1 gms now and it's great - I may try 1.2 soon.

How come this cart wasn't famous in its day, when we were all buying Shures and Audio Tecnicas?
Dear Winegasman: Thank you for share with us your EDR.9 findings.
Do you already try it at 1.2grs VTF?

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Well, I spent the weekend comparing the ~$150 EDR.9 to the ~$1,200 Ortofon K-B. I've had the K-B for a few months and have loved every minute of listening to it. I broke in the EDR.9 for about 15 hours before doing a head-to-head listen.

Both carts are mounted on swappable Yamaha headshells, easily changed onto and off of my Yamaha YP-D8. The K-B was tracking at the recommended 2.5g, and the EDR at the recommended 1.5g.

I listened to Fasano's version of the Four Seasons, Grateful Dead's Reckoning, Debussy String Quartet, Coltrane and Johnny Hartmann, Norah Jones' first LP, Ella sings the Harold Arlen songbook, Stephan Grappelli & Yehudi Menuhin's collaboration on 1930's music (sorry, I'm at work now and don't have all the titles with me), and Nancy Griffith's live LP One Fair Summer Evening.

Used both a Musical Surrounding Phonomena (cover off for quick changes of settings) and the amazing budget preamp TC-760 (that phonopreamps sells on ebay). I'm presently using a Yamaha RX-V2400 receiver as my source of power, playing LPs in the "Direct Stereo" mode. Speakers are GMA Continuum 1's.

First of all, at the end of the weekend, both carts win. The K-B is a wonderful cart to listen to; so is the EDR.9. Of course, that makes the EDR.9 a much better value, at about 1/8 the cost of K-B.

Soundstage for both carts in my system was comparable. Depth is somewhat limited because I can only place the speakers about 18" away from rear wall. Width was about the same for both carts, with each spreading out about 2 feet beyond outer speaker edges. Height was also comparable.

The differences I did hear were in imaging and instrumental timbre. Keep in mind these were very subtle differences.

On stereo recordings, the K-B seemed to image more precisely. It allowed me to point to a space in between the speakers and "see" a precise point in space where a specific instrument was playing. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that that space was a 4" square imaginary spot. The EDR images wonderfully, but I would be pointing to a 16" square spot. Personally, I preferred the EDR's imaging because it struck me as more like my experience of live music. When I sit in a hall, I can hear the wonderful timbre of, say, a live violin, but with eyes closed I cannot point precisely to the sound hole -- the sound fills the room. So for imaging I preferred the EDR.

Instrumental timbres are excellent on both carts as well, but, again, I preferred the EDR. I thought that the K-B produced "thinner" voices for each instrument. The EDR produces weightier, fuller voices. And, again, these thicker voices struck me as sounding more like my experience of listening to live music.

Both carts excel at rhythm and speed. I was pleasantly surprised to find that the MM EDR didn't appear to lag in any way when conveying pace. It also handled trills and vibrato on a par with the K-B.

So, I'll be putting the K-B up for sale soon, and using the proceeds to buy more LPs and, perhaps, another EDR. I've enjoyed it a lot, but I can't justify keeping it when the EDR can satisfy me this well. Frankly, it also makes my life a lot easier if I only have to manage switching between an MM stereo cart and my MM mono cart.

Of course, your mileage may vary. These results are purely subjective, for one person, with one system, at one moment in time.
Hi folks
Have just aquired an edr 9, on Gilbodavid's recommendation....got it on a Rega RB300 arm on my Lenco (yeah, I'm another of jeannantais fans!)...was initially a little disappointed but after reading later posts on this thread, I played around with the tracking weight a bit more and ended up reducing it from the recommended 1.5g to 1.2g and what a difference! Its had about 5 hours playing now, and im VERY impressed with it..quite blown away in fact. There's an aliveness and dynamism Ive not heard from my system before..brings out the perkiness and PRAt of the Lenco superbly...cant wait to see what it sounds like after another 20-30 hours!!!
Raul, thanks for the link. The manual at vinyl engine is interesting - the tracking force line looks like it has been changed because it is white on black, like a sticker. On mine, in that space it reads "Tracking force range 3/4 to 1-1/4 grams. It's in the same type face and red/black ink as the rest of the leaflet.
Dear Rich: Yes, this is the manual that you have and I can read: 1.5gr. Some one makes this change with out notice:

http://www.vinylengine.com/library_model.php?make=Empire&selected_model=EDR9

Anyway, IMHO the 0.75gr to 1.25gr range is ok. I'm using 1.1 ( coming from 1.25gr ) and is just great.
You can try it ( 1.5gr ) if you want.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Flyingred,

I bought 2 EDR.9s, and just checked the small instruction sheet that came with each one. The Spec page for each lists recommneded tracking force at 1.5g precisely -- they do not give a range.

My computer is tied up right now rendering a large video file, but when it's done I can scan the Spec page for you if you want. If that would help, let me know your email address because I don't know how to get a scanned document into an audiogon reply.

Rich (rdr@webryders.net)
Flyingred, why are you tracking at 0.79g when the manufacturer recommends 1.5? Thanks.

The product information that came with the cart gives a recommendation of 0.75 to 1.25. I usually start at the lower end of the range and move up if mis-tracking is an issue.

Where did you get the 1.5 gram figure?
Flyingred, why are you tracking at 0.79g when the manufacturer recommends 1.5? Thanks.
I couldn't resist the allure of the Empire EDR9 so picked one up from the guy in France. I fitted it today and can agree with the consensus on this cart's value for money.

I'm tracking at 0.79 grams. Timbral balance is very good, dynamic attack is strong and soundstaging is tall, wide and deep judging from Walton 1/Sargent. I'm noticing more prominent surface clicks and pops compared to my usual XV1s, but I'm using a different table [Lenco], arm [pre-production Artisan] and phono stage [Dynavector P75] so I can't blame that on the Empire. Maybe I'll fit it to my main table and hear how that compares, the Galibier is very good at dropping the noise floor.

On balance, it's probably the most enjoyable MM cart I've heard and excellent value at the price.
Dear Steve: A NOS Technics?, how lucky you are !!!!!

Yes your model is an integrated one mine it is not.

The Mk4 has a little higher output: 2.5mv instead 2.0mv, a little broader frequency range: 5hz to 100Khz instead 80Khz, channel separation at 1Khz: more tan 27db instead 25db.

Steve, your quality performance report was after only 2 hours of break in and more than 20 years on stock!!!!, you will be surprised after 30 hours: IMHO the Universe is not a challenge for the Technics.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Gave it a quick spin last night after a couple of hours break in. First impressions are it is a different presentation style to the mc's; more up-front, easy to pick out individual instruments, full dynamic sound, soundstage concentrated towards the middle rather than the boundaries. Other impression is compared to my UNIverse the slam factor is more pronounced, articulation less analytical. Tried it briefly on an EPA 100 and MAX 282 / AU arm. At this point it is highly recommended and extraordinary value compared to the stratospherically priced moving coils we buy.
Now you guys can see why I stick to my KAB modded Stanton DJ cartridge: it's kick ass and has the midrange of a $1500 moving coil. It's not audiophile approved, though...

Based on Raul's observations I was able this week to hunt down the last of a batch of 5 NOS Technics 205CMK3 from of all places Totem loudspeakers (none left so don't ask).
Obsessive compulsive, among other things.

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Based on Raul's observations I was able this week to hunt down the last of a batch of 5 NOS Technics 205CMK3 from of all places Totem loudspeakers (none left so don't ask).

Still unopened in the box I did not realise that the cart and headshell are integrated. Came with its own measurement graph. Gave it a quick spin last night after a couple of hours break in. First impressions are it is a different presentation style to the mc's; more up-front, easy to pick out individual instruments, full dynamic sound, soundstage concentrated towards the middle rather than the boundaries. Other impression is compared to my UNIverse the slam factor is more pronounced, articulation less analytical. Tried it briefly on an EPA 100 and MAX 282 / AU arm. At this point it is highly recommended and extraordinary value compared to the stratospherically priced moving coils we buy.

One wonders yet again, why some of this Japanese mid/hi-fi didn't win any popularity contest either in N.America or most of Europe at the time. Germany might be an exception as they seemed to have latched on more than most to the high end Japanese gear. Bear in mind this was a relatively inexpensive cartridge in its day - the original price tag was still on the box at C$300 - which is what I paid for it. I wonder Raul if you could tell us the difference between the MK3 and the MK4. I note you can still get replacement stylus for $30, albeit aluminium cantilever rather than the original boron.

Thanks again Raul for pointing out some hidden gems.
Steve
Dear Ctm: I used both and I used together with good performance.

The SME V is a medium mass tonearm ( I used with two medium mass tonearms with good results ) and I can't see any trouble: you can try it.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.