Dyscoveries on Dyna, Denon, Supex, Technics,FR,Ik


Dear friends: Over the time and testing/trying different cartridges ( " old " and new ones ) with different tonearms to find the " best " performance on each cartridge I find some interesting subjects that I want to share with all of you:

Denon 103: this is one of my oldest cartridges that I own and I use it for a while many years ago. In the last three years every time that I mounted and hear it I can't heard it for more than half hour, that's why I always treat it like a " rubbish cartridge " in my posts about. I try it with almost every single tonearm that I own and the result was always the same.
Then, I take in count that in all the tonearms ( removable and fixed headshell ) I can't tighten to much the headshell screws because the 103 is " open " ( input to output ) all the way where the screw goes and if I try to really tighten then the screw goes out of the cartridge body ( it is dificult to me this explanation because my English problems, I hope you can understand ).
I don't like to tailored the cartridge sound through tight ( more or less pressure ) the headshell screws, I always tighten the screws at " its limits " where IMHO and experiences there are less resonances/vibrations on it with better overall performances.
So, what to do?, it happen that I have an Audio Technica AT-LH18/OCC headshell ( headshell weight: 18grs. ) that has screwed holes underneath the headshell ( these holes are 2mm in deep, don't cross/pass the headshell ) in this manner I can tight the screws at maximum with out any trouble, well this was a great solution ( along with the weight of the headshell ) because I mounted the 103 in the Dynavector 505 ( similar to 507 ) and the performance change for the better like night and day, now I can hear the 103 for more than half an hour: very good improvement, this not means that now the 103 is at the XV-1/Myabi/etc performance level: no, but now the 103 has a decent performance that for its price is very good.

Dynavector XV-1: this one is one of my favorite cartridges, I really like it. It is a cartridge that almost always perform very good in almost any tonearm. Well I never be satisfied with " very good " performance I always look for excellent/exemplary performance.
I read some posts where XV-1 owners posted that this cartridge is a very good match with the Dynavector 505/507 tonearms and this was not my own experience about, it sounds good but nothing more.
I decide to try a little hard on the subject with: VTA/VTF/load impedance/etc,/etc with out any " great " results.
Then I decide to try with different headshells ( other than the original 507/505 ones ) till I find that with a light weight headshell ( Denon 100% magnesium, 6gr. The Dyna headshells weight: around 14-15 grs. ) the performance was/is glorious for say the least: I never heard ( any where ) better XV-1 performance that in this set-up.

Fidelity Research MC 702: this is a very " old " MC cartridge design. It is an integral headshell design, bulky one ( " ugly " ? ) at 30-32 grs, low compliance 6-7 Cu, low output 0.2mv and likes VTF 2-3grs.

I own this cartridge for at least 20 years and I buy it second hand in almost new/pristine condition. After many years I set up ( last December ) in my Micro Seiki MAX 282 tonearm ( it likes tonearms like: Ikeda, Dynavector, Audiocraft, SAEC, etc, etc ) and for the very first musical note I knew that this cartridge was something very special.
After 20 hours the sound performance was/is formidable/marvelous, I don't have words to describe my " surprise ", the best I can tell is that the music flow easily through this cartridge like in almost any other ( any where ) cartridge I heard.
If you " see " it ( second hand ) and if you have the right tonearm and phonolinepreamp then buy it!!!!!

Supex SDX 2200R: Another " old " MC design with screw open body type design ( like the 103 you need the right headshell ), ruby cantilever and low output 0.2mv. Man

I make the set-up on the Lustre GST 801 tonearm and sound was terrible at the begin, I have to wait 30 hours for the suspension settle down.
This was/is a great cartridge too, IMHO it competes with cartridges like the Universe ( are very similar in quality performance ) or any other today ones. Many people look for the Supex 900 series ( that I owned ) well the Supex Ruby beats easily those ones.

Audio Technica ATML 180 OCC: One of the greatest MM cartridges ever made.
This model ( I understand ) never sale in USA, the one that was on sale was the ATML 170 and 160 ( still very good ).

Till you hear a MM cartridge with the right phonolinepreamp you can't understand how good/great are the MM cartridges. During my last trip I was in San Diego and Norm heard in his system ( I think for the first time ) a MM cartridge the Empire EDR.9: he was happily surprised, he really likes the quality sound performance of this 100.00 dls MM cartridge.

Some MM cartridges like this one not only compete with any top MC cartridge out there but in some ways beat them, yes ( IMHO ) is better that any single Koetsu I heard it, that any ZYX or Lyra.
It is incredible that a 500.00 MM cartridge could be better performer than a 6-8K MC one.
This cartridge I mated with the Technics EPA 100MK2.

Technics 205CMK4: A marvelous MM cartridge. As good the Audio Technica is this one is better!!!!
What can I say about?, almost nothing but: Magic Diamond, Allaerts, Dynavector, Transfiguration, you named: the Technics is at least at the same level in any single sound performance parameter and beat almost all those MC cartridges for neutrality/natural tone balance, like I already say: marvelous cartridge!!!!!, if you have the tonearm and right phonolinepreamp then buy it!!!!
Mine is matched with the Micro Seiki MAX 282.

Ikeda 9REX: This one is a today MC cartridge with a unique design characteristic for a MC cartridge: it does not use cantilever ( like the cutter lhate/heads on the recording ), the design is with out cantilever. It is a very low output 0.16mv, weighty: 17grs, low compliance: 6CU and like VTF 2.8grs.

It is obvious that this cartridge is not for everyone, not only need the right tonearm and the very best phonolinepreamp out there but a lot of patience to obtain the best performance.
When you achieve this " best performance " you knowed because you will be in heaven.
The sound performance of this cartridge is a " little " different for all we know: the inmediacy of the sound and transients are second to none, the pitch/texture/no overhang/tight/fast bass is second to none, the high frequencies extension and speed are second to none, etc, etc.
You can't be near the live music like with this Ikeda cartridge: this one really is truer to the recording audio device!!!
You have to be a experienced music lover who attend very often to live events to understand what you are hearing through the Ikeda cartridge, you can't compare its sound performance with the sound performance of any other cartridge: it is not only the subject if it is better or not but the subject is that is different/near the live event.
It is an infamous bad traker: it does not like any single dust in the LP or in the stylus, we have to have everything in pristine condition. It takes more than 200 hours to hear it at its best. Like I told you: we need patience and know how.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
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Dear Gadfly: No, I did not. Btw, where do you read about? who try that tweak?

regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear Gregm: I don't know about your specific cartridge but I'm running my Empire cartridges at 47K/250pf and with a little negative VTA angle.
Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear Louis: Great and I agree with you: that will be interesting.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear Rgordonpf: Great audio system you own, that TX-1000!!!!

Well, I'm sure that the very modest Empire cartridge will be a very good " friend " of you.

We will be waiting your final report on it.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear Darren: Unfortunately the Ikeda cartridges have a very low profile in advertasing, many people even don't know exist. It is a great cartridge ( not for every one ) that when you heard it it is very dificult to return to the " normal " cartridges. When we hearing through the Ikeda cartridge all seems like we take out not one veil but several of them, the distortion is that low. The cantilever ( in " normal " cartridges ) makes a degradation to the signal, more than we imagine. I think that the analog music sound reproduction deserve a lot better designs that what we have, it can do it and the Ikeda cartridge is a good example that things could be better.
It is not an easy to work with the Ikeda cartridge but the reward is very high: it works very well in tonearms like the Ikeda, SAEC, Dynavector, Audiocraft, Micro Seiki and Mission The Mechanic ( this is the one where I'm using it after try it on other tonearms ), I can't be sure but maybe in the Phantom too.

+++++ " There were a few Ikeda cartidges around recently. How is the sense of space??? " +++++
It is more beiable than in " normal " cartridges, there is no exaggerate soundstage in any way: just more natural.

+++++ " Need to try a MM one day " +++++

IMHO, all the music lovers must try and MM cartridge, no one knows what we are " loosing " if we never try it.
All of us think that the money/high price is one of the parameter to " measure " the cartridge quality performance and I think that it is a big mistake, example: the Sumiko Celebration is by today top MC cartridge price standards a very low price ( only 1.5K ) and we think that is a " low end " performer and that the cartridges with a high price ( 5-8K ) are a lot better, but the real subject is that the Celebration is better than many of the 5-8K cartridges exactly in the same way that many MM " very low price " cartridges are better than them too ( unfortunately the Audio Technica and Technics MM cartridges that I named are very hard to find: both are exceptional!!! ), IMHO all those " sealy high MC cartridge prices " have no single justification in any way: we are paying big dollars in " change " of dimes, we are not receiving the quality performance for what we are paying.

Darren, now imagine a MM cartridge with a " rudiculous " price of only $125.00 dls that could beat or even many of those top MC cartridges, can you believe it?.
Well that " one day " is here: buy the Empire EDR.9 ( NOS ) on e-bay ( for that sealy price ), give it 50 hours and then return to this thread and give us your thoughts about.

+++++ " Mass is critical in cartridge matching. It is not just the tonearm, but the headshell etc. Everyone loving a Dynavector is using low to medium ass tonearms such VPI or Graham. " +++++
Absolutly right. I try my XV-1 with Ikeda/Lustre/Audiocraft/SME and Dynavector tonearms it performs very good in almost all but ( Like I told ) in the 505/507 tonearm with a very low mass headshell it is glorious!!! I loaded at 100 Ohms with 2.1gr on VTF and positive VTA.

I try the RSP in the Audiocraft and Satin unipivots and the overall performance is " just good ", it is a lot better through the Ikeda or Lustre tonearms.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear Greg: I agree with you, the Pickering and Stanton ( similar ) cartridges were over the Shure.

At 180, you had it and you let it go: wow!!!

I don't know other source for the Empire EDR.9. This people on e-bay are in France and are totally trusty.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear Rich: Good " move ". I'm sure that you will be happy with it and yes I appreciate that you keep us posted about.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear carlos: My experiences with NOS and vintage cartridges ( that I own or owned ) are that we don't have to worried about. I never had any trouble with the operation of any of those cartridges, as a fact the last time that you joined me we heard one of those MM vintage cartridges, remember?

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear Carlos: Yes, was Micro Acoustic MA 630, hard to find but I " see " it two-three weeks ago on e-bay, some lucky person is now enjoying it.

Like I told you: don't worried about time ( don't be afraid in any sense ) deterioration and better than that enjoy that vintage great sound cartridges, you can try with the Empire EDR.9. Btw, Empire was former today Benz Micro: not bad!!!!

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear Psychicanimal: +++++ " Just remember the Empire has an eliptical stylus. " +++++

This seems like a warning, is it?. Please explain/share your thoughts about.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear Carlos: Well done, you will be satisfied and a little surprised about.

yes, we appreciate your " listening " report.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear Psychicanimal: +++++ " Also, better profiles extract more information " +++++

The subject it is not how much quantity but which kind of quality. You must to hear that cartridge before make any asumptions.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear David: I'm sure that you will be satisfied with the quality sound of that cartridge.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear Krenzler: I never try in a Rega tonearm because I haven't but I ?m using with the medium mass wand of my Micro Seiki MAX 282 and in my ( medium mass too ) Audiocraft and works just fine. Probably could works better in a low mass tonearm but with a medium mass there is no trouble at all.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear Ctm: I used both and I used together with good performance.

The SME V is a medium mass tonearm ( I used with two medium mass tonearms with good results ) and I can't see any trouble: you can try it.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear Steve: A NOS Technics?, how lucky you are !!!!!

Yes your model is an integrated one mine it is not.

The Mk4 has a little higher output: 2.5mv instead 2.0mv, a little broader frequency range: 5hz to 100Khz instead 80Khz, channel separation at 1Khz: more tan 27db instead 25db.

Steve, your quality performance report was after only 2 hours of break in and more than 20 years on stock!!!!, you will be surprised after 30 hours: IMHO the Universe is not a challenge for the Technics.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear Rich: Yes, this is the manual that you have and I can read: 1.5gr. Some one makes this change with out notice:

http://www.vinylengine.com/library_model.php?make=Empire&selected_model=EDR9

Anyway, IMHO the 0.75gr to 1.25gr range is ok. I'm using 1.1 ( coming from 1.25gr ) and is just great.
You can try it ( 1.5gr ) if you want.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear Winegasman: Thank you for share with us your EDR.9 findings.
Do you already try it at 1.2grs VTF?

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear Flyingred: +++++ " How come this cart wasn't famous in its day, when we were all buying Shures and Audio Tecnicas? " +++++

Well, in those times the Empire cartridges were well know but nothing special till they had the EDR.9 ( that was the last time I heard about Empire ) but too many people does not care about and Empire was a little low profile with the EDR.9. In that time I knew it but never had the money to buy it.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear Sirspeedy: When you get the right tonearm for a top cartridge I can tell you that almost all the time you will like it a lot.

Btw, the Allaerts is still the one to beat from the today cartridges ( at least from the cartridges that I heard ).

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear david: Do you have any " report " that you want to share with us about your EDR.9?

Regards and enjoy the musiC.

raul.
Dear Radicalsteve: I don't know in your system but I hear my Technics in The MAX 282 with out damping and like me more than with damping, specially at both frequency extremes.

I think that the GST801 will be a great match for that cartridge too.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear Flyingred: Something that you could try with your EDR.9 is to take out the stylus guard. I do it and I hear a subtle improvement in the overall transparency sound reproduction.

Regards and enjoy the music.
raul.
Dear Steve: Maybe the difference is because you are using the AU with your Technics and I'm using the SC arm wand, other difference is that I'm using the MAX 282 not in its dynamic balanced way but static one. Anyway the Technics cartridge is really good.

I'm for the direct drive TT technology and own 4 SP10 MK2 and two Denon ones. Unfortunately I don't send yet to build the arm boards for I can try it, but I'm sure will be great performers.

I can see that you own too the SDX2000, very nice cartridge. Btw, very nice system you own.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear Winegasman: Please left something for other music lover people!!!.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear Maxson: It will be interesting your EDR.9 finds after 20-25 hours, not only on the bass performance but overall against your 901. Could you?

regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear friends: I always say that I learn ( and I'm ready/open to learn ) evry single day and today was not the exception.

I just receive the Empire 750 LTD MM cartridge and I'm exited/emotional/motivated to share with you that if you like the EDR.9 the 750 LTD will bring to you a new " grade level " to hear music.

Just put on this way: for the last four days I'm hearing the 750 LTD and in each day I'm not only enjoying it but I don't feel the necessity to switch off or to heard a different source, even more: I want to following hearing for many many hours like never happen in my audio life.

Something that I already posted about the Allaerts MC2 Finish ( I don't " feel " this with other cartridge. ) is that when the Allaerts stylus hit the track LP everything is settled, you know everything is right and enjoy the music, nothing else. Well for my surprise this is my " feelings " about the 750 LTD, it is perfect? , certainly no but it is one of the less " I'm here " cartridges that I experienced.

The best news on this 750 LTD is that you can get it ( NOS ) for only $95.00 !!!!

Normally I don't disturb the Agon friend's with email's but the findings on this thread make me do it, I'm sorry for that. I talk about because some of those friends give me very good answers, others " dead silence " and some one told me " I'm not looking for a cartridge ". Well I only try to help.

Regards and enjoy the music.
raul.
Dear friends: Today I was " playing " around with capacitance range for the 750 LTD. In the specs manual you can read that the recomended capacitance is 150pf and at the HI FI NOVA web site: 350 pf.
Well, it does not work well with either ( at least in my system ), I'm finish with a 50-100pf range: I think I prefer 50pf .
This cartridge is very sensitive to changes in the capacitance value, well almost all MM cartridges are.

It will be interesting that you that have the EDR.9/205CMK3 could make some work about and could share with us your findings.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear friends: +++++ " . First impressions are it is a different presentation style to the mc's; more up-front, easy to pick out individual instruments, full dynamic sound, soundstage concentrated towards the middle rather than the boundaries. Other impression is compared to my UNIverse the slam factor is more pronounced, articulation less analytical. " +++++

+++++ " Its had about 5 hours playing now, and im VERY impressed with it..quite blown away in fact. There's an aliveness and dynamism Ive not heard from my system before..brings out the perkiness and PRAt of the Lenco superbly...cant wait to see what it sounds like after another 20-30 hours!!! " +++++

+++++ " The EDR images wonderfully, but I would be pointing to a 16" square spot. Personally, I preferred the EDR's imaging because it struck me as more like my experience of live music. When I sit in a hall, I can hear the wonderful timbre of, say, a live violin, but with eyes closed I cannot point precisely to the sound hole -- the sound fills the room. So for imaging I preferred the EDR." +++++

+++++ " . The EDR produces weightier, fuller voices. And, again, these thicker voices struck me as sounding more like my experience of listening to live music... " +++++

+++++ " . I'm surprised how well the EDR9 does dynamics and I'm with you in preferring realistic imaging to "audiophile holographic." " +++++

+++++ " around 20 hours by now, the cart is starting to sing, so much so, that it now eclipses the Koetsu RS in performance. " +++++

+++++ " I just put an EDR9 on my Moerch (red dot)/Teres 265 into an Aqvox. Sounds great! Not as much bass as my Shelter 901, but the mids and highs sound just as smooth. That was with zero break-in, too. " +++++

+++++ " No, the EDR.9 did not outperform the Miyabi. In all of the parameters mentioned below the Miyabi was more refined and was at a higher level of performance quality overall. But the differences between them were not night and day and the EDR.9 VERY impressively held its own. It immediately called attention to itself with its terrific tonal balance with convincingly natural timbral presentation of instruments and voices. It had acceptable dynamics & articulation while also having relatively smooth presentation (see below for more details). It was resolving and had good image focus with convincing layering, depth and overall scale of soundstage " +++++

These are a few comments of people ( other than me ) that already try inexpensive MM cartridges and that share with us their findings about, all those opinions are on cartridges that were on storage 20 or more years and that not have more than 20 hours of broke-in: could you imagine how better could be its quality performance if those cartridges were " fresh "/today build ones?, WOW!!!!!!!!

One subject that I really attract to me is that ( till today ) no one speaks/report in a negative manner.

Many of you with great audio systems and specially with Rockport and Walker TT/tonearm could take advantage of those quality TT/tonearm performance to find a " new quality music sound reproduction world ". I'm sure that every one that try those cartridges will be not only " surprised " but well satisfied.

IMHO and for the people that cares about music it is a must to have those little/inexpensive " gems " before disappear/out of stock.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear friends: Maybe some could ask why I mentioned that these cartridges could be good match for Rockport/Walker TT, well for what I understand those tonearms are in between lo/mid effective mass and the Empire's like this kind of tonearms due to its high compliance.

Maybe, we could think that it could be " crazy " to try ( even to think ) those inexpensive cartridges with those very top high end and high price TT's. Well I'm almost sure that those " very modest " cartridges have nothing to be " on shame " with that analog rig and could have a very good quality performance.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear friends: I'm in a in deep audition of the Empire 750 LTD before I could post about.

In the mid-time for the people that are interested in other " cartridge gems " here are some desirable ones:

Micro Acoustics MA-630, Fulton HP, Goldbug Brier, Sonus Gold Blue **, ELAC 896, Stanton 981, ADC Astrion.

** This one you could find here.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Sonus-Gold-Blue-Audiophile-Cartridge-NEW_W0QQitemZ220102372030QQihZ012QQcategoryZ64620QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD2VQQcmdZViewItem

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear Friends: Here is a new Audio technica MM cartridge model, any one of you already hear it?:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Audio-Technica-AT150Ti-VM-Cartridge-NEW_W0QQitemZ300103216084QQihZ020QQcategoryZ48648QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear friends: +++++ " The Grace F9E is very impressive. It has a tighter/punchier bass and handles the highs a little better than the EDR. The EDR on the other hand has a more engaging midrange. " +++++

This is what an audio friend ( very well respected ) told me about. Which are your performance experiences with the Grace F9E?

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear friends: Well I don't finish yet the 750 LTD testing but at the same time I bought a Bang&Olufsen MMC20EN second hand through Ebay.
In the auction of that cartridge I read it that the cartridge was out of work ( something wrong with the stylus ) but I want to win the auction because the cartridge comes with a very special universal headshell ( normally those cartridges are for the B&O TT: plug-in, that does not need that kind of headshell ) that I can use it in the future with other B&O cartridges.
I just receive it and for my surprise the cartridge is in wonderful operation condition and I remark: wonderful because the quality performance is at that level.
The cartridge alond the headshell weights no more than 10grs so it is almost impossible to find a removable headshell tonearm that could handled, I try to make the set-up in two-three of my low mas tonearms but was impossible to balance it: too light.
Suddenly I think in the Dynavector 505 with the A subweight and now is running and I don't know if the 505 is the best match but is the only tonearm that I have that can handled it and the sound reproduction is impressive.
Btw, my cartridge is an original B&O not a re-build or something like that because there are some B&O sources but are not original ones.

Btw, any one of you know which is the ideal capacitance for this cartridge?, I appreciate your advise about.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear friends: I'm so exited with the B&O cartridge that I already buy a second one the MMC 6000 that I'm waiting to have it at the end of next week, I will try to report something on it.

Regards and enjoy the music.
raul.
Dear friends: Sorry to take the thread for this:



Some Agoner send me an email asking for something ( Brinkman/Transrotor ) unfortunatelly my computer blokade his email and I losted ( I'm terrible with computers ).

Hi there,please email me again.



Regards and enjoy the music.

Raul.
Dear Maxson: I agree with Theo, 1.1grs. on VTF works fine.

Now, both cartridges are different on performance where the 750LTD sound is more " refined " than the EDR.9 one. Anyway, the performance is tonearm dependent.

Regards and enjoy the music.
raul.
Hi: The Technics 205MK3 is one of the great MM cartridges ever made and very hard to find, don't miss it.

Here you can find other than my opinion on this cartridge:
http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?eanlg&1173550723&openflup&38&4#38

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear friends: This post goes specially to the Agoner's/music lovers that own top analog rig systems.

It is no doubt that our beloved MC cartridges are really great and make us to enjoy the music every time we hear it. Well some MM cartridges could bring to us ( at least )the same music enjoy level ( as a fact they did ) and in some ways give us " additional experiences ".

I know that many of us could think how a inexpensive MM cartridge could do that?, well this is the name of the game: a MM top quality performance discovery and you could only experince testing/trying those great MM " babies ".

One advantage that you have ( I think ) is that with the high resolution quality level of your systems you can detect not only the differences but the very subtle reproduction nuances on the music and the special way in that the MM cartridges makes all that. Yes we need a top and very well designed MM phono stage in the same way that we need it for a MC cartridges.
The subject it is not to see which is better MC or MM, the real subject is to have a " new worthy " music experiences: that's all.

My advise is that you don't let go the opportunity ( for almost " cents " ) to hear some of those wonderful MM performers, in many ways these MM cartridges are " state of the art " and IMHO we must to hear it: we need to know what we are missing ( in the sound reproduction ) all these days, don't be afraid to do it, I'm sure that almost all of you will have a " happy/fun " experiences.

You can find it new and " used " units, I think it is worth the " hunt ".

Regards and enjoy the music.
raul.
Dear Flyingred: My 750 LTD experience is almost similar to yours.

The quality performance of this cartridge will improve over time so you have to wait for those improvements.

IMHO these kind of cartridges deserve the best we have: analog rig and set-up know-how ( as any MC ) to obtain its real quality performance.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear Maxon: About the bass, this subject is ( in some ways ) tonearm dependent.

I " feel "/think that the 750 LTD ( or the EDR.9 ) has a very good low bass response against other MM cartridges and against too to other MC ones, of course that I have the advantage to could match in a better way the cartridge with a tonearm and that my cartridge has now 50-60 hours and all these could make a differeence for the better.

Regards and enjoy the music.
raul.
Dear Lewm: This is what you can read at its specifications:
EDR.9: 4.5mv and 750 LTD: 5.6mv.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear Coneflap: I always admire Supex cartridges if you have opportunity try to find the 2200R.

I owned the AT 25, as a fact I owned/own all the top of the line AT cartridges ( MM/MC ), I remember my first one AT 20SS: very good one.

I never had the opportunity to heard the Spectral but I heard from people good thinhs about.

For the Grace I only own the F9E, btw I can't remember but I think the F11 is MC one, right?

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear carlos: We appreciate your Empire experience report.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear Steve: The Sonus MM cartridge is a good option. Please go to this link:

http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?eanlg&1173550723&openflup&77&4#77

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear Britishbane: For what I know that is the only source for NOS Empire cartridges.

Sorry I can't help you.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear Freshpuma: Nice to hear that you are happy with the Empire EDR.9.
It is important too that every single person that already try those Empire cartridges are satisfied with its quality sound reproduction.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear Rgordonpf: Thank you for your report on the 750LTD and I concur with you: " . At its price point it is an outstanding value. ", IMHO a must to have along the EDR.9. I think that you will have a nice and a little different experience with your EDR.9, good listening!!!!!

I will try other Empire cartridge models on my collection and " see " what happen.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.