Anyway I don’t care about the debates. I’m into the sound the music. The ear candy. When I can hear the texture of the horn the air of the flute and the decay coming off a cymbal. That matters to me. I don’t care how they do it. As long as they do.
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No it’s actually a blocked shot. Some of us have excellent hearing and can hear a difference. It’s makes a huge difference in some of our systems to our ears. We will do what we do while you stick to homemade monoprice or whatever. |
Yeah trolls usually don’t know they are trolls. As far as automated responses go. Quick and easy to read. Bumble bees bumble. Lol anyway enjoy talking yourself into circles with all that MARVIN THE MARTIAN TALK! |
@oldschool1948 I only do digital as well and I use tidal as well. Thanks for your comments. I’m demoing a whole loom of Kubala sosna elation cables right now that are crazy expensive but they sound really good. Gives music improvements in soundstage and transparency. I also go the high fidelity ct-2 it also open the music up. It has a quicker leading edge to the music and sounds quicker than most other cables. I’m going to be adding an ultimate power cable today and mix and match somethings. I started this thread to really see if others were hearing what I’ve heard through the years and that’s a difference in cabling. Depending on tastes the difference can be positive and negative. @geoffkait what does your system consists of. I’ve seen all these comments but don’t know your system. Just a question @prof what is your system consisting of. If you run vintage gear you might hear less of a difference as opposed to a more digital system. List your gear. I have gato FM6 from Denmark, Kr Audio va900 Integrated, Resonessence Mirus Pro Dac, Sony modwright 5400 tube modded CD player Melco n1a server, Rel 212 se, I use a mix of High fidelity, atlas mavros and clarity Cable cabling. List your stuff |
@prof. I been in a position to,demo a lot of stuff without having to buy it. Lol so I got to start at the bottom and hear a wide range of stuff. I think I have a pretty good ear. I do believe the gear is way more important than cabling.
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@prof thanks for sharing you have some great gear. It’s should sound good no matter what. Lol. The best system I’ve heard is the Raidho 5.1 with all soulution electronics and anzus cabling. A guy had a home listening cottage and Raidho came in to set it all up for him. You got some well respected gear. I also believe in spending money on the best gear you can get before spending on cables. My Gato speakers are not well known but I go and listen to a lot of the big name speakers and my speaker competes to me with big boys up to the 25 to 30k range. They have a really clear open see through midrange and tight bass. The treble is the trick though. I use a Cable called clarity natural and it makes the highs sound airy to my ears. My speakers are my last ones. I’m never changing them. I had the revel studio 2 before these but I’m happy I went to Gato Audio out of Denmark. My Dac is made by the brother of the chip maker for oppo they make the Sabre chip. The amp kraudio va 900 is the baby version of the kronzilla. It’s sounds less tubey. It sounds closer to audio research sound wise but with a little more texture. I think you have a great set up. I know you are not a Cable guy but I. My system my cables add just a little of what my ear likes. I’m not putting your point of view down. In my system it works for me. Just keep enjoying your stuff. I only ask what you had in your system because honestly if your gear is not at a certain level it can only perform so well. On cheap or poor speakers cables won’t make much difference. It’s not the case with you you have pretty good gear. @geoffkait I’m not showing off by telling you what my gear is and how much I paid for it. No disrespect but not knowing what gear you running I’m a lot less inclined to value what you say. That’s just my opinion. I don’t know what basevlevel you are at. I was able to have Allnic, veloce, classe, high fidelity, Kubala sosna, Audio research, revel, Sonus faber, Vienna acoustics , clarity Cable, Clarus cables, atlas mavros, audioquest in my system at different times through the last 12 years so my context for what great sound is maybe different based on my ability to have long demos to well respected gear. Any way without knowing your gear I’m less inclined to pay attention. When I hadn’t heard better I did not know better. @prof enjoy the music.
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I’m not ONE OF THOSE GUYS! I said what I said because vintage gear sounds different. Cables make less of a difference in vintage gear. Vintage gear has a nice full sound. Vintage and newer age stuff both have THIER plus and minus. Gear doesn’t have to be expensive to sound good. I only mentioned what I have and have demoed to give folks an idea of how many diffferent Cable brands and equipment brands I have experience with. Also if you are a vintage gear guy I don’t have much experience with that stuff so for me I Don’t have much in common Audio wise to share with you. I have been blessed to have expensive gear but that doesn’t mean I look down on cheaper stuff. Anyway, on some of these forums you have guys that attack the other guys who own expensive cables and equipment. I’m not saying cheap gear is bad I started with the cheap stuff but the more expensive stuff bettered the cheap stuff. I don’t have time for The Audio envy crowd so feel how you feel. Anyway you took what I said and ASSumed a whole lot. Whatever. Enjoy your vintage gear and I will enjoy my gear. Best wishes. |
Ricred1 These threads can go crazy. For one there is quite a bit of money spent on cabling by some of us. The non believers think we are nutty. In addition to that some of us have higher end systems. People will get Audio envy and they wil say that it’s a waste to spend 8k 12k 20k 30k 50k and up on a speaker. They will call you crazy or snobbish. The truth is that there are some really great speakers out here and 8 times out of 10 the cost more. They have more r&d and build quality most of the time so you get better sound. I never diss the the sub 3k speakers some of them do a great job but these folks think we are bragging because of the gear. I’m not I’m just telling you for the most part there are some great speakers at the higher price points. A lot but not all but the better budget you. have if you know what you are doing you can put together a killer system. Also the more your system is worth it allows you to put in and justify better cabl8ng and power cords. For some it’s nutty but our systems allow us to hear the difference. That’s all. It putting people down but if you can’t tell me what kit you are running your opinions are useless to me. |
@geoffkait as a matter of fact get off the thread then if you don’t my opinions are worthless. Honestly I never cared about your opinions on any thread. YOU SPECIFICALLY. ALL YOU DO IS TROLL. You never discuss what particular gear you have you only try to portray others as snobs or looney because they do certain things with their systems. To be honest the minute I see your name in any thread I pretty much glaze of it because usually it’s a bunch of babble. Just like my opinions are worthless to you. For the most part yours have always been to me. I don’t care to engage with you because I don’t gain any perspective. It’s a waste of time. JUST BEING HONEST. DIDNT JUST START ON THIS THREAD ITS BEEN LIKE THSTVANY WHERE I SEE YOU POST. CHEERS. |
I’ve never heard you say anything about your actual gear or cabling you have experience with. You always speak in general terms with these points of view that for people like me have no reference point. It’s not personal at @geoffkait I asked @prof what he had he shared it with me to give me s reference point all you did is give a blah blah blah so from this point on your opinions are not useful. Carry on |
As far as lack of knowledge. Whatever! My experiences are mine. You have your opinion. I have mine. That’s part of the problem here. A lot of you guys think you know it all. I don’t nor to I claim to. My opinions are different but your lack of knowledge led you to make that statement Most of what we talk about is opinion. But I guess my lack of knowledge led me to have my opinion. Lol. Anyway. Carry on. |
Definitely has no purpose for me and you to talk. ANY OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE WILLING TO CHIME IN AND SHARE WHAT GEAR THAT THEY ACTUALLY USE AND THEIR ACTUAL CABLE EXPERIENCES PLEASE CHIME IN.
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Yeah whatever, keep making your ASSumptions. Like I said before it was only used as a context in what I am doing with my system. I’ve heard great cheaper systems. I have heard great systems with things like bookshelf Sonus faber toys and a small name amplifier. Anyway I’m not here to convince you who I am. I have been blessed to hear entry level equipment all the way to the super high end. I settled with my equipment based on performance not price. As you see most of my gear is not from the big names in audio. I’ve done my research well and I enjoy my system and cabling. What works for you works for you. We will never probably hear each other’s systems. My system is actually up in a video on the Lone Star Audio Fest page. I’m happy with it and how I got to it. I hope you are with yours. Best wishes. |
@elizabeth I agree with you. Some speakers have some pretty unique design improvements. My gato Fm6 have some pretty unique things that they do with the crossover as well as other things. My dac is made by the brother of the inventor of the ess Sabre chip. KR audio just sent me there newly developed just released Kt88 tubes. I have nothing against vintage gear but there have been technological advances in the hobby as well as in digital that I’m taking advantage of. I’m enjoying my run and my system. I have nothing against the budget guys or vintage guys. I think I have created a great sound And system that nobody else will have in terms of my combination of gear and cabling. |
I think it’s what you personally look for and enjoy. I like to hear the decay of the cymbals, great drum work, piano playing and like very complex jazz material some wires will give you more of what you personally look for. I think this more the case when you have digital front ends. That’s why to me the digital and the analog systems are different to me. Digital has its own set of challenges. |
@glupson. It’s is something that I see not just on this forum but others as well. The ability or choice to spend more seems to be looked down own. I didn’t make my buying decisions lightly. I did a lot of research and demoing before I purchased each piece. I paid a little more than most would consider. But I love my sound. @dorkwad I actually use the same reference Cable as Doug Schroeder in parts of my system. Clarity Cable. They half great treble extension, open midrange and soundstage, a little bump in the lower minds and the bass. Nice sound.
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@dorkwad that is where it was for me the Cable was the final tweak for me. Some can’t hear a difference we can so it’s worth it in my eyes and ears.
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Well I will say this. To each his own. In my system my choice of equipment and cabling work for me in my listening enviorment. Your room does play a major part in how your music sound. Positioning of speakers also play a major part. In my situation I’m basically locked in component wise. My system is very niche because of the brands I chose. They are great performers that most don’t know about so I think you should listen to your own ear to determine if the difference is worth it. I’m not going to go drop 5k on one Cable but I will spend a decent amount if I think a Cable brings out the little things that make enjoy my system more. It’s up to each individual to decide what he or she wants to do. Remember though you are the one listening to your system the most so you have to like it not anybody else. As far as hearing is concerned. Some can’t hear the difference. I actually can so for me and my ear enjoyment I will tweak with cabling a little. Enjoy everyone. |
I have a ear that detects subtle differences. To one person it might be a better or worse difference. But you listening ear is your ear. No one can tell you what you don’t hear. If what you hear brings you a better enjoyment then go for it. However, I’m a little skeptical when someone says cables don’t matter. That doesn’t make sense to me. Cables are made different. Some with different materials gauge, etc.. why would they sound different. To some it’s not worth it. To many of us it is |
I think that’s what is missing in this argument. Some people’s hearing is better than others. We have different rooms and tastes as well. The recordings are different as well. But to tell all of us that all cables sound the same is just flat out crazy. As far as the differences are concerned. Some cables have differences I like some have ones I don’t. |
Like i said my ear is my ear. Damn a test. If I hear sounds that bring me joy I don’t question it. We are in this hobby to listen and enjoy not take some damn science test. Equipment sounds different and cables sound different. How about them apples! |
@glupson. True you are right. It was a question. I guess if you have bad hearing the answer is no. Lol. I guess everyone is entitled to their own opinions. I love my cables in my system in the end that’s all that matters. |
Well I think this one has been settled! They matter because those who can hear it love and those who can’t go crazy on the ones who can hear it! |
Sometimes nicely priced can be 200 or 2000 it depends on what you are personally willing to do. It’s up to you. Find your sound and get there. At the end of the day it’s up to you to get the best sound you like out your system. Some do it cheaper than others. Some do it with generic monoprice. Some do it in the high end. Do,what works for you with your equipment in your listening enviorment.
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It’s funny how we get in these debates with people who have and never will hear your system in your listening enviorment. Very few people in the USA have my speaker. I have one of about 10 pair in the whole country at this time. In addition very few people own my integrated KR Audio va900 or my Dac Resonessence Mirus Pro. I think everybody reading this thread needs to know that your equipment and cabling combinations will perform differently from what they might do in some else’s listening enviorment. Room dimensions. Carpet vs hardwood floors. Speaker placement all play a part. So does recording quality. Trial and error is important for you in your system so enjoy your equipment and cables and don’t worry about what others say. Most of the time they will never hear your kit. Find you a knowledgeable sales guy who actually loves music. It’s a big help. Thank you Bob Spence at affirm Audio. Gary at Audio emotion in Scotland. Rick Schultz at high fidelity cables. Scott at Advanced Home theater systems for assisting me with demos and arriving at my system! |
One more thing. I don’t mention price to woo or impress anyone. I know people who spent 5 times what I did. Some have great sounding systems. Some don’t despite the money they spent. Price plays a part only if you know how to match the right things together and picking the right speaker for your tastes. You can spend a lot and have a crappy sound if you don’t know what you doing
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Well I have gradually spent more and more on my speakers as I caged them out. I started with def tech bi polar. Went to b&w cm9. Then to Sonus faber Liuto. Then to Vienna acoustics Beethoven’s baby grand se. Then I had the revel studio 2 and my final speaker the gato FM6. This has been over the span of the last 11 years. I’ve had my current speaker for almost 3 years and it’s staying for a long time. I have enjoyed the journey. I have gradually went up to a better speaker each time. I think the revel studio 2 on the Gato FM6 are both great final speakers. I spent a little bit more each time and I have gotten better results from going up. Cable wise I have settled on the ones I have based on how my particular equipments reacts to it. I feel like my cables have helped me get the best out my system. I mentioned price initially because most people spend a certain portion on cables based on what they paid for their system. I was willing to go above that suggestion amount if it delivered sonically and my system has for me. Ultimately if the mix of cables and equipment gets you to your audio nirvana then do it. Don’t listen to folks who will never hear your system.
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Well here we go! Everything in Audio is not a con. It’s a business. People develop a product the sell it for a profit and it’s up to you if you want to pay for it. Yes, I KNOW EVERYTHING MAKES A DIFFERENCE. Some differences you like some you will not. It’s up for each individual to decide. If it helps you ultimately to get the sound you seek then maybe it’s worth it to you. Some people Mark THIER gear up to insane prices and you have to decide if you wanna pay it. I get that you can put great sound together at cheaper prices. However, I do my research before I make my purchases I see what technology and R&D is used to make the product. I usually get a demo of what I’m thinking of purchasing. Usually i get an in home demo if possible. I follow this method even with cabling. I try to not to buy sight unseen or heard. A lot of people in this hobby do. I try not to. You wouldn’t spend money on a car if you didn’t test drive it so why should you spend the same or more in Audio without testing it in your home. I’ve had some dealers get turned off by me wanting to do this. But I just go somewhere else if they do. So that way you KNOW if it works in your listening enviorment. I also took the liberty to go out and listen to the insanely priced gear to see what I heard that was different. I thought the insanely priced stuff when matched and set up properly could be spell binding. The Raidho speakers plus Solutions electronics did this. However you could get a nice house for what that gear costs. Which is crazy so you get the best you can afford and get a sound you like and roll with it. If folks don’t let you demo then don’t go there. It’s too costly at times to make a mistake with gear at certain levels. There are those who play in the low end. There are those who spend more and there are the guys who go all out assault regardless of price. Decide what you want try to hear it in your listening enviorment that way you know! Looks cool is great but if the Sonics are not there it don’t matter! |
Bose is chalkboard scratching to my ears in the treble but some people swear by it. I don’t like it at all. |
But to some people it’s their butter cake. |
Bose is all marketing and barely passable speakers
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Pick what works for your system. I would not pay for cables more than my components but I think 10 to 15% of the amount your total system costs is reasonable. It has worked for me but it’s all system specific
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Point blank the ones that say they can’t hear the difference don’t usually have resolving systems and don’t try upper market cables. What they call great sound is just ok sound to most of us with highly resolving systems |
Teo I listen to rap and classical. Guess I’m wieerrrd! Lol.
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Cables matter to my ear and that’s all that counts. If you can hear it enjoy it! |
Anybody laughing about the cables great for you. If you hear a difference with expensive cables and you can afford it then do it. If it sounds good to your ear they are worth every penny. Went to a show a little over a year ago and switched the cables out after the first day showing. It was night and day. The expensive mix won out |
Especially when your hearing is too bad to tell the difference. Lol. Get you some headphones |
