Kal,
Thanks for the explicit reply. The Proceed PAV does not have HT passthrough, so if I decide to go with an Integra 9.9 it will be on its own. I'll keep the PAV/PDSD until I'm convinced I wont be disappointed in the sound of the Integra.
Like me, my audio components tend to be vintage: The LR speakers are KEF Reference 104/2s crossed at 80 Hz to a Velodyne HGS-15 that is controlled by a SMS-1 sub manager; the KEF 104/2s, 102/2s, and 200 are driven by Proceed Amp 2 and Amp 3.
Again, thanks for the help.
db |
Generally, one feeds the L/R line-level output from the pre/pro to an analog preamp's HT passthrough, not the other way around.
For example, I have passed the L/R output from my Meridian 861 through the Parasound P7 (for experimental purposes).
Kal |
Kal,
Thanks for the reply. The brevity of your explication makes some of your comments difficult for me to follow. I thought I had read that the Integra has pass-through capability, but if it doesn't that pretty much ends my plan of using it with my PAV. Pass-through-without-processing means just that with the Proceed PDSD; the analog output of the PAV is simple passed to the amp.
I've been retired as director of a research center for more than 15 years, so please forgive me if my abstract reasoning is not up to par.
db |
I don't understand why an XLR out from my Proceed PAV to the pass-through of an Integra 9.9 isn't the way to go. As I understand it, the Integra pass-through does just that. Because there is no "pass-through" on the Integra. If I take the LR pre-out to the PAV, don't I lose the benefit of Audyssey as well as having to juggle volume control? Only for the analog sources that go directly to the PAV which, afaik, is the point. I wonder if anyone makes a switch with two sets of XLR inputs and one XLR output. Expensive. Least expensive would be a use BelCanto Pre6. Maybe I misunderstand what pass-through without processing means; maybe the pass-through does include an amplification stage. Mebbe. What do you think it is? Kal |
Kal,
I don't understand why an XLR out from my Proceed PAV to the pass-through of an Integra 9.9 isn't the way to go. As I understand it, the Integra pass-through does just that. If I take the LR pre-out to the PAV, don't I lose the benefit of Audyssey as well as having to juggle volume control? Maybe I misunderstand what pass-through without processing means; maybe the pass-through does include an amplification stage.
I wonder if anyone makes a switch with two sets of XLR inputs and one XLR output. I'd like 1.3 HDMI, but don't want to lose the sense of transparency I so enjoy with my PAV/PDSD. Maybe with HDMi from a Sony XA5400ES to an Integra 9.9, I'd have no need for analog. Sure wish there was someplace near Santa Barbara where I could hear the Sony or the Integra.
db, slow learner |
@Ratso1
I was thinking about getting the Emerald Physics myself and in a brief exchange with the owner via email, when I told him I had an Audyssey Sound EQ, he indicated that this would make the Behringer or DBX unit unnecessary. You may want to contact him via the contact info on their webpage to discuss. Also, I agree with Kal, don't do it manually, git yourself an Audyssey SEQ.
ChrisG |
i don't use audyssey - i set up my system manually. Big mistake. |
thanx guys! yes, i realize i will need to upgrade to a pre/pro that has a preamp output. i don't use audyssey - i set up my system manually. i have also emailed mick from supratek to ask him exactly that question as it is not spelled out in the manual. |
You are basically correct. This type of hybrid system takes a little more to set-up, but gives you the best of the HT technology while allowing you to maintain your traditional 2 channel system.
The pre-outs of the HT receiver for the L/R go to the supratek pre-amp, which just passes them through at line level to the Bel Canto amps. You shouldn't have to do anything special in the reciever for this to work.
HT recievers typically allow for a +/- 6db to 10db adjustment for each channel to account for different speakers. Assuming that the speakers are of at least similar efficiency and the amps have similar gain, then the receiver should be able to match the speaker output. The auto room setup feature will set the volumes appropriately.
One thing to check is whether the supratek needs to be on to do the bypass. Most solid states pre-amps just use the normal circuits with the volume set to unity gain. With tube pre's the best way to do the bypass is to route the input signal to the output with the tube circuits not involved. That way you do not to use up your tubes watching movies and TVs. My guess is that the supratek does the lattler. I am sure supratek can tell you if it is not in the manual.
You might also think about getting a separate external amp for the center and surrounds, depending on the quality of the speakers and how much you use the HT. It means you can easily change out the HT pre-pro over time. There are HT pre-pros with the new lossless codecs available now (like Integra or Anthem) or you can continue to use a receiver with pre-outs and just not use the amps, which can be an economical solution. |
1. Without preamp outputs for L/R from your Denon AVR (It ain't a prepro or it would have preamp outputs!), you will either have to replace it, modify it or use a pair of speaker-to-line adapters.
2. Your connection scheme is correct.
3. Setup and balance is handled by Audyssey MultEQ as in normal use. No changes need be made elsewhere and you need not "tell" Audyssey anything. You will have to run the procedure again, however, when you make your new connections.
(Of course, you did run it at least once already. Right?)
Kal |
