Classical music thread welcoming your suggestions and why...


My best for Schumann 4 th

Incredible haunting surreal out of this world Furtwangler whose interpretation had never even be rivaled save by Klemperer mastery second, but really only second... Furtwangler here surpass all maestros and taught a lesson ...Perhaps the greatest musical recording among all his recordings, if not, i dont even know which one is over this one....

i stop listening anything after these two, which give their musical direction the power to reveal Schumann obsessiveness near madness and his way to control it with music healing power over tempest...

is it music? It is more a desesperate victorious act to keep control over oneself by music writing ... It is the way Furt, directed it... A glimpse of hope amidst terrors and in spite of it , as a boat lost on sea between sunrising and sun down and directed as such by these two maestros... Sometimes a whirlwind capture us desesperate and is replaced by a false calm and the sun illuminate the darkness to be replaced by fate returning in the turmoil again and again ...

The suggestive power of this music put Schumann beside Beethoven with his evocative power and Furtwangler and Klemperer knows it , it is not another musical piece, but the radiography of a soul...

Sometimes music is more than just music... Here it is the case...

it is not a leisure nor a mere pleasure more a deep vision, crisis, meditation, a trance ...

Any other maestro direct it only as a beautiful musical piece... It is not...It is a mystery dancing in some living soul and here for us to see not just listen ...

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If the world spiritual had a meaning in music it is now...

 

Furtwangler:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbyEiplksn0

 

Klemperer :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkU8ULGs4aE

 

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@edcyn: I had no idea the Panorama City store had an upstairs. I did my Classical buying at the Hollywood store on Sunset Blvd. They had almost everything that was in print in stock a lot of the time.

In college in Ann Arbor in the seventies I worked at a store called Liberty Music.  They aspired to have a copy of every recording currently in print.  I don’t know how they succeeded with that but it was certainly an Aladdin’s Cave for all kinds of obscure music.

@bdp24 The stairs to the Classical section were next to the Ticketron Kiosk, to the right when you entered the store. And let me tell ya’, everybody hated being ordered to work the Ticketron window. More often than not, the Ticketron Machine would just decide to take it’s own special "I don’ wanna work" break. And when the machine did work, you could guarantee a queue of personally offended customers snarling, "What? No more Stones/Dodgers tickets?????" 🙄

I'm pretty sure I saw Nyiregyhazi in performance during the guy's momentary, end-of-life resurrection of his career. It was in L.A., I can't remember exactly where the concert was (The Dorothy Chandler Pavilion?) but I had a truly excellent seat. The audience wasn't large but it was absolutely worshipful.  Nyiregyhazi played with a playful, indulgent "why the heck not?" affability. Unfortunately, he only had a glimmer of his once magical chops. In any case, it was a heck of an experience.

Lucky you were...

I am a bit envious,,,

Behind the decreasing virtuosity we can listen the powerful expressive tone which almost no pianist i know of , save a Sofronitsky , can produce...

The ruins of his playings reveal a deepness that is nowhere to be heard...

I'm pretty sure I saw Nyiregyhazi in performance during the guy's momentary, end-of-life resurrection of his career. It was in L.A., I can't remember exactly where the concert was (The Dorothy Chandler Pavilion?) but I had a truly excellent seat. The audience wasn't large but it was absolutely worshipful.  Nyiregyhazi played with a playful, indulgent "why the heck not?" affability. Unfortunately, he only had a glimmer of his once magical chops. In any case, it was a heck of an experience.

For example this :

I pick the "evening bells " and the christmast piece to show after the madness of Olbermann valley or Mephisto how touching and exquisitely hypnotizing in his effective tenderness and grace E.Ny. could manifest pure heavenly grace... At least at the same level than Brendel... If not, i will say that E.Ny. play with a suplement of grace in my opinion... Because here E. Ny. is more delicately fluid than even Brendel and the total resulting piece is more integrated as usual with E. Ny. with pulse behind the horizontal melodic line ... With Brendel it is more like many small successive scenes...

I had only Liszt: Weihnachtsbaum with Brendel :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn9zi8cLAoA

The same piece by E. Ny. for the 4 first minute and a few seconds.. but observe that E.Ny. is repeating the complete first section, though it's not written in the score.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0S1KDOC8is

After 8 minutes 19sec. : The "evening bells" is in the E. Ny. youtube selection . But i did not have Brendel playing to compare with...

 

Now suppose Mephisto exist and touch the piano...Liszt thought about him ...He composed some pieces where it is Mephisto himself who he had  summon to play himself through him ... Which pianist can play as Mephisto in person touching the piano  ? Liszt , but who else?

It will be pure madness and grace with the power of volcano ...

Philistine "cake tasting" esthetes could say " Full of bad notes and distasteful" when listening E. Ny.

I say that Mephisto himself as Liszt intended him to play was playing not a first prize model pianist with E. Ny. ...

E.Ny. is a genius...

The greatest pianist i ever heard , not always the more perfect, but the most powerfully expressive of all...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtSHsZj566Q&list=RDwtSHsZj566Q&start_radio=1

Now listen to Richter, the great disciple of Sofronitsky himself...

Compared to E. Ny. we dont listen Mephisto himself in person playing, we listen to a marvellously well played REPRESENTATION of Mephisto, not the devil himself playing as with E.Ny.

Which one is the best?

It is not a question of taste not even a contest... It is the difference between a perfect image of the devil and the devil incarnated playing himself...

There is no best pianist..

There is level of expressiveness and levels of expressiveness are not levels of formal perfection ...

When we listen Richter we are at ease and contemplating an image... When we listen E.Ny. we are deeply disturbed and it is impossible to listen to him relaxed , our body is tensed as if we assisted to the devil playing... Richter is almost boring compared to E.Ny. ... And Richter is one of the greatest pianist from the Russian school surpassed only by Sofronitsky who anyway is on par with E. Ny. for expressiveness in his own way...

Richter :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n-GrOpTOjs

 

 

 

Richter could be disturbingly demonic as well.  Try his “Bydlo” from the live Sofia (Bulgaria) recording of Pictures at An Exhibition.  I have never heard anyone project the menace in that piece as he did.  Or his numerous recordings of Beethoven’s Appassionata

Richter was one of the best pupils of Sofrontisky and i will listen your recommendation... I just want a cpmparison illustrating the sheer power of E. Ny compared to a pianist undoubtedly powerful too to put a level comparison..

Thanks for these recommendations...

 

Richter could be disturbingly demonic as well.  Try his “Bydlo” from the live Sofia (Bulgaria) recording of Pictures at An Exhibition.  I have never heard anyone project the menace in that piece as he did.  Or his numerous recordings of Beethoven’s Appassionata

John Ogdon is a powerful pianist...Master of expression way more than a mere perfect virtuoso...

Anybody can verify with his Busoni recording or with his Sorabji Clavicem ballisticus unrivalled rendition...

This short Liszt piece reveal why :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aU_cmFD5k8

Only E.Ny. can rival him...😊 Or Sofronotsky and few others...

Ogden was my favorite Schumann Piano Concerto recording, with Paavo Berglund conducting.  The perfectly capture the rhapsodic nature of that piece

Thanks i will go for it...

 

Ogden was my favorite Schumann Piano Concerto recording, with Paavo Berglund conducting.  The perfectly capture the rhapsodic nature of that piece

 

The most important of Chopin works...

The mazurkas he wrote for a long part of his short life...

My favorite interpretation...

Difficult to play because the pianist must transmit a kind of dance rythm which is akin to a controlled set of little jumps in a controlled vertigo...

It is the soul of Poland...

 Why a brazilian pianist among very few is the best i listened to ?

Brazil with his roots in jungle  indian tribes  , his  african slaves  and Portuguese roots can produce rythm masters... Antonio Barbosa is a top not well known pianist but among the great pianists there is...

He plays mazurkas as the dance they were not only beautiful melody as most pianists do...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYdYwk3Vjqg

 

Sometimes musical ectasy is easy....

A completely under the horizon masterful interpretation of Chopin Nocturnes...

He surprize us with unknown aspects in well known pieces by his subtle singing....We even hear the teacher Bach behind the two hands of Brunhoff more than with many other version ... Chopin had a Bach altar in his heart , it is why his romantism is so well driven toward eternity than toward mortal time or despair... Bruhoff play it so.... His humility and perfection in the two hands dialogue is unsurpassed....Moravec is my favorite with this one.... Plastic perfection versus more singing...

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8djkKNN4f90&list=PLnQJF3Qi_4_CvjtOvZypmfmC4ygxSxOgm&index=54

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNqX_jWhUzY&list=PLnQJF3Qi_4_CvjtOvZypmfmC4ygxSxOgm&index=49