Classe DR-2 vs Classe DR-3

I have 2 DR-3's and they both have the DC pulse on power up. Later DR series amps have soft-start and speaker relays to fix this. A repair guy told me that sometimes this pulse is caused by failing supply caps.

Be advised that this pulse is MUCH larger when the amps are bridged for monobloc use. I smoked a pair of boombox speakers when connected this way. The boombox speaks handled a single amp just fine.

Dispite the low power but high quality of the sound these things produce DON'T run them directly connected to a tweeter in a bi-amp or tri-amp setup with out some sort of low and midrange blocking arrangement.

Great sounding amps though!! I love mine.

...FWIW, I noticed that both of these amps have a high DC turn-on transient that will push your drivers out as far as they can go!...

Maybe you can get that fixed. Did new ones do that?

I have a 1 ohm Scintillas and 2 DR3 VHC's. Does anyone know if they can properly drive them UNbridged, where one drives left and right Tweeters and other drives left and right midrange/bass.

I have owned both the Classe DR-2 and the larger DR-3 VHC amplifiers. And Woodmann's characterization of the sound is spot on.

The DR-3 was 45 wpc pure class A, while the DR-2 was only 25. The VHC had more of everything soundwise - with plenty of bass. Using a pair as monoblocks would produce to quote one audio reviewer - "sonic steamrollers," capable of powering the most difficult loads, including the notoriously inefficient Apogee Scintilla at one ohm.

The The DR series of Classe Amplifiers (short for their designer - David Reich) does run very hot, and uses quite a bit of electricity.

So using them in a warm climate is out of the question. When I owned my Classes back in the 1990's, I would only operate them during the Winter time. Moreover, unlike a tube amplifier which can be cooled down with a fan, doing so with the DR amplifiers is ill advised, because it will only cause the amp's to work harder to maintain the operating temperature that they are designed for.

All and all, a great design. The DR-3 VHC in particular was a work of art, as anyone who's opened the bottom of its chassis can tell you. This was a large amplifier in its day, weighing in at slightly over 100 lbs. Then again, the VHC was an expensive beast, costing nearly $5,000 in 1987. You can pretty much double that price in today's market given inflation.

I purchased mine in the mid 1990's for about $1800 - a bargain at the time - in near mint condition. The only reason I sold it was that it just ran too hot to use all year round, and used a lot of electricity.

An interesting point in regard to the rarity of these amp's, particularly the DR-3 VHC.

I found mine on Audiomart. The guy I purchased it from asked if I would give him first right of refusal to buy the amp back if I decided to sell it. So when I did, I called him up and he bought the VHC back from me.

A year later, I saw it for sale on Audiomart again and snapped it up at the same price I'd paid for it earlier.

Alas, the VHC simply ran too hot and used too much electricity for daily use, so I sold it. However, if you collect vintage audio amplifiers and don't plan on using this one a regular basis, it makes for a great collectible piece of gear, and doubles as a nice pot belly stove during those cold winter months of the year.

Jimmyblues

does the dr-3 also have the brick which is supposed to be placed between the heatsinks? what exactly is is for. I bought a dr-2 without the brick as the previous owner lost it and it seems to work just fine

Sorry, I have not seen this thread in some time.

To answer Nurxhunter: Forced air should not be used because it raises the bias current. The amplifier, by design, seeks to reach equalibrium between temperature and electrical operating point. If you've ever had to wait for an amplifer to "settle in" for it to sound its best, it is because of this. As it is, the bias current of these amplifiers is quite high because of genuine class A operation, forcing it to go higher will shorten the life of the output devices because they will try to run hotter even though forced air may seem to make it run cooler. It was designed to be perfect without forced air - the huge heatsinks take care of that just fine.

You may also note that these amplifiers run cooler the harder you push them (as opposed to class AB amplifiers which get hotter) - that's because some of the power that is otherwise dissipated by the heatsink at idle is now going into your load. In other words, these amps run hottest during idle.

Having owned DR-2, DR-3, DR-3B, DR-3VHC, I can confidently say they are nice amps with abaility to drive tough speaker loads. That said, compared to Mark Levinson ML-2 they sound grainer and more electronic. Better yet are the Pass Aleph amps, which are some of the most natual sounding SS amps ever made.

A local friend of mine had either the DR-2 or DR-3 I don't remember which one. I think it was 25 wpc? Anyway, it is probably the best sounding amp I have heard or one of the top 2. These amps sound wonderful and I told my friend to keep it and never sell it...lol. Of course he did because he has huge inefficient speakers. Highly recommend these amps if you can find one.

Hello from germany, I'm looking for such CLASSE or ELESON
amp. ! Could you help maybe?
Regards, Wolfgang

Why no forced air? Thanks

I have, essentially, both. The DR-2 was Classe's first product. The DR-2 uses Motorola power Darlington transistors on the outputs and no driver transistors. The DR-3 uses Motorola power transistors with drivers. The DR-2 has regular 5-way binding posts while the DR-3 has monsterous silver or gold plated connectors that will accept bare wire or spades only. The DR-2 & DR-3 have big, thick bus bars for grounding, and both amps are dual-mono and bridgeable. The DR-2 is a simple, elegant circuit with a minimal amount of capacitor bypassing and tantalum input coupling caps. The DR-3 has alot of capacitor bypassing and film input coupling caps. The DR-3 is an all-out high-end design; there is nothing in the design and construction that has not been scrutinized and overbuilt. The DR-2 is a bit more humble, but still extremely well designed and well built.

Sound-wise, I can't exactly speak for the DR-2, but I can come close: The DR-2, like all of Dave Reich's designs, has a very natural, yet highly accurate sound. There is a touch of warmth, but not like tubes. The sound is extremely balanced with no frequency range standing out any more than another. The DR-3 has similar characteristics, but with even more detail and resolution. It is my opinion that the DR-3 does not have the same bass as the 2. The DR-3's bass is very relaxed and effortless, but seems a touch slow. I once described the DR-25's bass as "oozing out of the speakers with no sense of urgency", and I might describe the DR-3 the same way.

Now, please take my words with a grain of salt. I have never actually heard a DR-2, but I do own and use it's predecessor, the Eleson PCA-100. This looks exactly like a DR-2/3 without the big, engraved faceplate. This amp is the reason Classe came to be (Class A - Classe, get it?). There is no available schematic for the DR-2, but I recently found a picture of the inside of a DR-2 that confirms that the Eleson and Classe circuits are the same. The only major remaining difference between my Eleson and the DR-2 may be the transformers. FWIW, Dave Reich said that the Eleson could be considered a DR-1 when I spoke to him last October :-)

I purchased an early DR-3 (there was also a DR-3B) just last weekend, so I'm still comparing the two amplifiers. I'm presently using a pair of dynamic monitors (I have no planars or 'stats) so I do not have the full frequency range of larger speakers. I am also using a DR-5 preamp.

FWIW, I noticed that both of these amps have a high DC turn-on transient that will push your drivers out as far as they can go! I recommend being careful with smaller speakers as these amps can vaporize your vioce coils in a fraction of a second (ask me how I know). Also, these amps run hot - they're burning over 150 watts per channel at all times. Keep the amp ventilated, but do not use forced-air (fan) to cool the amp.

Cheers,
-JamesW-