i owned a bat vk d5SE, and never really loved it. felt like it sounded congested at times, closed in, and not very transparent. maybe it wasn't paired with the right gear (logans and VAC amp), i was only using RCAs. but in any case, it was soundly beaten by a Wadia 860x, which in my opinion sounded like true hi-fi. i've since moved onto a VSE level 5 modded sony 9000 and i can say that it easily beats both the Wadia 860x and clearly the BAT as well.