Face I will be doing something and my gut says just get the Mundorf's. I was surprised to (and somewhat not) hear that old caps did do something special. I think the oil in the Klipsch does something and caps are wayyyy more important than I thought. Maybe (I feel) why some people really like the Mundorf (oil caps) is they have brought back the best quality of the past. (that oh so real mid range) |
IMO, Sonic Caps sound like Sonic Crap for the first 50 hours or so. After 100 hours they start to open up. I'd say they're 90% broken in after 200 hours. You should consider giving them another chance before moving on.
Regardless if you move on or not, I'd love to hear your impressions. |
Rchau thanks for the help I will answer what I can.
Almost 2 years ago now they went bad. In the sense of bad I mean the noise level went up. The sound on SS gear became harsh.
Resistors? I do not think they have any?
The midrange from that Alnico magnet is what makes me keep them. Still amazing!
Capacitors? When I had the Sonicaps in I could hear that the speakers were now crossing over at the right spots. The bass was much improved and the highs were I think better than ever! But the down side was the "life" and realness in the midrange was gone as well. They didn't sound defective with Sonicaps just not majical.
I have looked for vintage Aerovox to see if they are still made. That is where the Mundorf Silver in Oil comes in as a close replacement to originals. The originals were film in oil.
Another factor is break in maybe I just did not give the Sonicaps enough time. I am having them installed in the new crossover. I am getting the quote with new inductors. I want to see if inductors cleam up the bass and if so new Mundorfs are coming. I feel (hope) that Mundorf Silver in Oil and top notch inductors (Alpha Core or Mundorf) will max out these speakers. I am from the camp who loves them when they are right.
I have had one of the bottoms off to see the woofer and the other was too tight to take off. Looked mint in there.
I do not know if you have heard of Arthur Salvatore but he ranks the Khorns as the best vintage speaker ever. He says just once he would love to hear a all out version. I myself feel the same.
I could hear a increase in noise in the speakers. I assumed it was the cartridge only to find out it was not. Maybe someone else could pipe in do bad caps have a high noise floor?
Yes modern caps have a different tonal quality or lack of is a better way to describe them. (dead and unemotional) I do hope the Mundorf's are as good as original that is all. |
I want to offer a different perspective.
I gather from your original post that you've had the Klipsch for a long time and they took a turn for the worse about a year ago.
Your original assessment of a bad capacitor is a possibility but I would encourage you to take that idea and take it one step back.
All components will change over time; capacitors, resistors, magnets, etc. If the speakers are really vintage, they likely have carbon comp. resistors. Carbon comps are really old technology but have a nice sound that is very popular in Japan and Eurpoe and among many DIY and guitar amp guys. They also have the unfortunate effect of changing their values over time (usually increasing in value).
Capacitors also age and change in value and depending on the type, can have catastrophic failures. One certainly needs to be careful with old electrolytics.
The net point is that the values of many of the components could have drifted resulting in the wrong crossover points. It is prudent to measure the values of all the components and check against the nominal values before making any changes. It could be that all of the resistors have changed their values or one of them has gone south. Easy to check with a meter before spending money.
You have already noticed how much changing a cap can change the sound. Modern caps have different tonal qualities than vintage one and they may just not be to your liking. You could try to find vintage caps as replacements.
Secondly, alnico magnets can lose their strength over time. This is especially true if they have been pushed hard due to heat. This is well known among Altec/JBL users since many of those drivers were used in the pro arena where they get pushed hard. At least for Altec drivers, outfits like Great Plains Audio offer a re-magnetization service. This is another possibility. Other speaker problems could be worn diaphragms on the compression drivers, damaged or corroded voice coils, etc.
I would also check the cabinet to see of everything is still solid and that there are no loose joints, holes, etc.
It sounds daunting but a little detective work can go a long way. Just like a car, when they get old sometimes they need to be rebuilt. |
JohnK the Klipsch are only my second system. You may be right and I have taken that advice. I am doing the crossover with Alpha core or Mundorf inductors. If that does not clean up the bass I will go no further into the Silver in Oil caps or any other brand. I am just putting in the Sonicaps. (which I already own) I am not to smart sometimes but hearing you say you could never get them right makes me not want to get carried away. $.
I still am shocked at how much difference caps made??? I did not expect that much and would not have thought it was not all good with new caps. I have never heard anything change a system that much! |
I found the midrange to be the best thing about my klipschs. The bass and trebile are sub optimal. The smearing in bass is due to the bass cab design I built 2 improved klipsch bass cabinets and they sounded near the same poor;) Replacing the tweeter with a fostex realy helped. Like I said in my other posts to this thread I ended up replacing most everything and still my other horns where superior. Maybe you should look at it like this. You have a cool collectable loudspeaker why try to make it modern leave it be, maybe DIY or purchase another loudspeaker for critical use. Just a thought |
JohnK I have to admit to never being so frustrated with speakers (or any audio gear) in my life.
The Klipsch have a "real" sound that can't be beat. (that I have heard) Yet the annoying down side can it be fixed? The thing that the Sonicaps took away was the "live feel" and I am not sure what they brought to the table? Lower noise and brought back better bass.
The new style inductors? (air core) I guess the skin affect is much better? Lower distortion? I always found the bass smeared in the Klipsch. Is that caused by the poor inductor?
Mine have the dual phase midrange drivers that are said to be the best ever made by Klipsch. They were only made for a few months in the early '80's until they cheapened out all the drivers. I just found this out from the buyer and Bob Crites. The mid range drivers are amazing! That is what keeps my interest. |
I could hear the Sonicaps breakin even when they were in there. I am having the crossover rebuilt with new inductors as well. Do you find them to make a difference as well? Only makes sense to me as I heard some of them have 300ft of wire. Good wire of 300 ft vs. poor has to make to a difference. |
I know folks will disagree but my findings are that caps need breakin. The dorfs can take a 100 or so hours to fully open up. Maybe you didnt give the sonics enoff time. |
JohnK thanks for the response. Do you feel Sonicaps to be better than the original film in oil in the Klipsch. I did not find them to be in one key area. The way music felt "alive" with the old caps. There was lots of other problems but they do excel at that. |
Caps are lucky to last 30 years. The dorfs are far better than vintage but the silvers do have a bit of hi-frequincy sparkle. Sonic caps are not near the quality of mundorfs. Tube amps help flesh out some vintage and other systems. And its easy to improve on old stuff but maybe not so easy to modify some old stuff to be near as good as modern ;) And some vintage is darn good WE RCA JBL some Altecs I feel some of these drivers to be as good as modern transducers. The cabinets not so much so. |
Since buying the vintage amp I keep waiting for the honeymoon period to wear off. I can't believe how good it sounds! Boy did I miss out all these years with vintage tubes and Klipsch!
I am still getting the cap rebuild.
I do NOT believe this story that all new caps are better. I found the Sonicaps not in the league to the original Klipsch caps. (I guess foil in oil) A for sure downgrade if you like the Klipsch liveliness.
My biggest fear with the Mundorf's Silver in Oil is they will not be as good as the vintage caps. It is not as easy to improve on old stuff as we are told. |
Looks like Mundorf Silver in Oil network is back on. Anyone build a "A" Klipsch network as opposed to the "AA" network that came after. The "A" network has no tweeter protection and is from the tube era. Klipsch went to "AA" when tweeters were blown by SS gear. |
Johnk any idea where I can get good paper in oil caps? I would like to stay that way as I found the plastic caps change the nature of the speakers. |
Sorry JohnK what I meant to say was that the average person (meaning 100,000+) bought just the Fisher 500c receiver. Meaning the mass market was pretty dam good 50 years ago. |
US still makes great hi-fi. You just have to search it out, not mass produced or marketed so more work to find but well worth it. |
I have bought the tube Fisher x100d. I have to say I wish I had tubes all these years I had Klipsch speakers. So crossover is back on. Being used as a seccond system. Man the U.S. used to make some real good stuff! It is a shame what has happened to Audio! I am looking for paper in oil caps. I am not to impressed with the plastic caps. Anyone know where you can get real paper in oil caps? |
Guy came to buy the Klipsch Lascala's. I had him bring his own tube amp. I didn't think it fair for him to listen on my gear. One thing for sure is old tube gear sounds much better with Klipsch. The bass was wooly but from the midrange up they sounded real good. If he does not buy them I am going to pursue the tube route. I cannot say I prefer the sound over the modern gear but it was at least not offensive and had some characteristics that are very nice to listen too. |
I have just talked to a friend with Lascala's and he used Solen caps. He said he noticed right away the improvement. I am starting to think it is me being conditioned by Linn. Linn has this method of listening to systems called "Tune Dem" and basically you follow the tune, if it makes everything easier to follow it is good. Well the Klipsch "to me" now are not easy to follow as every instrument seems to scream like a horn! Linn gets you to follow what is going on and the Klipsch makes me weary trying to follow. Once Linn gets you, they got you in their camp and only their gear (maybe Naim) seems to do it for you.
There method is so simple "follow the tune" sounds infantile! But when you can't it is frustrating!
I do not think I will survive any break in period as I think these speakers just sound like crap to me now and no cap or inductor or anything is going to change that.
I find myself saying what the heck was I thinking!
Sorry guys if I do not survive this break in but can say I doubt Sonicap is going to change anything in these speakers that are VERY dynamic but seem VERY dated to me. I do not believe they are from the modern era. They may be quaint but to many faults to (for me) live with.
When I listen to a group (common as the Beatles) and can not tell a huge difference to who is singing the song I know something is wrong! That seems like child's play on my Linn speakers as I know who is singing mostly who is on back-up and when they dub the lead singer in as back up. With Klipsch they all sound almost the same! |
Here's some more info to add to your research:
http://forums.klipsch.com/forums/6.aspx
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This thread might give you some ideas. Hey ! We're going to please your wife's ears yet. (O:
http://db.audioasylum.com/cgi/m.mpl?forum=hug&n=66637&highlight=la+scala+crossover&r=&session=
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The fatiqueing sound from your La Scalas might or might not be due to the new caps. If you have a tuner or can put an old CD on continous play, I'd do that, turn the volume down and walk away from the system for a few days and listen again. Here's another thread on La Scala crossover upgrades:
http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/hug/messages/2/25576.html
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Thanks Sherod I will check it out. I have never been so frustrated with audio gear. I turned off the system thinking I will not be able to stand the break in period and am getting a headache and just want to move the gear back up to my Linn speakers and listen to music. The frustrating part is have I out grown the speakers or is there something wrong with them? |
Here's another thread on the La Scalas:
http://db.audioasylum.com/cgi/m.mpl?forum=hug&n=2674&highlight=la+scala+crossover
There are more threads in the Hi efficiency speaker forum on AA. Also, I believe Klipsch has a chat forum on their web site with much info re: crossover cap replacement in the La Scala. |
There are many top speaker companies who currently use Mundorf oil caps in their crossovers. You can get a lot more feedback on this subject on the Tweaks forum at Audio Asylum web site. The Sonicaps are a good quality cap. They might or might not be the right cap for your Klipsch speakers, but since you have them in there, I'd give them some continous play to make sure whether you like them or not in that location. Until the Sonicaps have been played continously for a few days, they will have a somewhat tight and restricted sound. After break-in, they'll begin to open up in the midrange while the frequency extremes will extend and smooth out as well. Here's a thread on AA for your info:
http://db.audioasylum.com/cgi/m.mpl?forum=hug&n=6874&highlight=crossover+caps+for+Klipsch&r=&session=
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Audioism I have heard that about Dueland. I know there are way better and Sonicap is the bottom of the better caps as I understand. I did want to see if that was my problem I kind of thought it would be a slam dunk right off the bat.
Sherod I have heard that about the 100 hours. I know some people do not believe in that kind of thing. I know people who do not believe a cartridge needs to break in either and I know for SURE they do.
I am not panicked about the caps till the end of break in. But I am concerned. I hope they open up.
You guys know when your wife comments on the difference you know it's BIG and says the new ones (and she did not know which speaker had them) sound like crap. I suspect she is talking about the tight sound of the new ones. The old ones like I said sounded open alive but to my ears very worn out. I prefer the new Sonicaps but they are (not yet) anywhere near the sound of the Paper in Oil when they were correct.
What surprises me most of all is that the Klipsch sound like everyone else's speakers with the Sonicaps? I always thought I liked the sound of the horns "live feel" but now I am starting to think that may be just paper in oil caps sound for the midrange. |
Most of the new polycaps require a hundred hours or so to fully break in. Give them some time to smooth out before you go yanking them out. |
have you heard Duelund capacitor? You owe it to yourself to try or at least audition one. It's one of the best if not the best cap right now. CMIIW.
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Next day around 5 hours on one set of new caps. If played in stereo it sounds like two systems with a echo sound tight and held in on the new caps and loud and shouty on the old ones.
My image of polycaps was not correct at all! I expected bright?? Not sure why but that is why I looked a Mundorf Silver in oil I thought they would smooth out the Sonicap poly sound. (at least what I thought would be there sound)
Now my old oil caps are loosy goosy out of control bright loud not what you think of when you say oil.
Sonicap reigns in the midrange to the other extreme. Almost like everything is running through a filter.
My wife walked by for a blind test. I asked (she doesn't know which speaker has new crossover) her which she thought sounded better and she said the new caps sounded like shit. Hmmmm.
I would prefer the new ones only because balance is better. But neither is good. I always thought Klipsch had a very "live" sound not now. I think my wife hears the much better breathing and voices and doesn't hear the negatives. I would prefer a cleaned up old cap sound. I do miss that liquid sound. |
I am having having a hard time turning off the stereo. The difference is now HUGE! The cymbals are a thing of beauty and I do not think these speakers have ever sounded like this! To be honest it is the tweeters that have surprised the most. I never thought they could be that good! |
I put the new caps in the left speaker. I wanted to see if I could hear a difference from left to right channel. It almost sounds like two systems. Like they were out of time with each other? So far the right speaker is making defective sounds. ALL the bad sounds are coming from the old crossover. I started with the old Beatles lp that I tested before which is not a good choice as they mixed all the voices from the right channel.
Strange sensation of sound it is. Left tight (not opened up) and right open but out of control and distorted. (muffled as well)
On to Beatles Let it Be.
Voices are in the both channels. Left channel (new caps) I can't say voices are liquid smooth or anything actually sound tight. Nothing defective just not musical.
Right now left channel is tight and does not breathe. (new caps) Cymbals are not offensive but sound is much more lifeless. Not distortion like the right channel but very tight sound.
Right channel is more open and at times will draw you in but the distortion is high. The right channel (old caps) sounds much more real (in voices) and sounds liquid. Which the caps are liquid filled paper in oil.
Right now this is NOT what I expected. I thought new caps would go in and be better than the 28 year old ones right of the bat. This is not the case. The liquid smooth realness to voices that gives you the feeling of being there is not there with the new caps. I wondered about Poly caps. That is why I looked a Mundorf (and still am)
New caps are not what I thought they would sound like right off. They are not loud in the midrange. (I expected that and I do not know why) The new caps are distant and tight but not harsh and brittle like a new cartridge sounds.
Dire Straight's Love Over Gold
Old caps are ALL midrange sound. The highs are much clearer with the new caps already. Like I had said before I had checked my tweeter to see if they were working.
It has only been around two hours of listening and changes are happening fast. The bass seems to be coming back I had said before I had taken of the bottom of the speaker to see if the woofer was working before as when the caps went bad sound was ALL midrange.
The realness and open sound to the voices is the only thing better now about the old caps.
Hour 3
Caps break in faster than I thought. The new caps are starting to make the Klipsch sound like full range speakers again instead of midrange and mess everywhere else. It even sounds like drums again.
When played with both speakers strange feeling of being out of time. I can see why guys talk about not mixing certain caps.
This is interesting as I always thought the speakers sound was noisy when the caps were going bad and I was exactly right. That is why I started chasing cartridge and everything else. I could not understand how all caps could go bad at the same time?
About 3 1/2 hours.
Even the voices now sound better now in the new caps. I am glad I did this (one side for a little while) as I can hear the improving caps vs. the stable old caps. I thought the Klipsch were sounding very vintage. Tommorrow I will replace the other side after a few more hours listening. |
YEE HAW! the caps are in. So I will be installing later tonight. I may just hook up a CD player for the burn in part after I sound demo new out of the box caps to log the sound in.
I was always looking for a log like this. I found lots of guys say it was great and do it, but did not know what that meant in sound terms on the same music and there feelings on it before and after. |
Thanks Guys I figured there was audiophile type of solder. For this one since I am just using Sonicaps to see if the speakers can sound at least correct. Right now they sound bad. If I replace the Sonicaps I may go to even better than standard solder. Right now I want to see if these caps can fix at defective sounding speakers. |
I like Cardas Quad Eutectic. It flows smoothly and gives a good solid joint. There's a seller on Ebay that sells ten and twenty foot lengths for a reasonable price if you don't want to buy a lb. roll.
http://cgi.ebay.com/CARDAS-Quad-Eutectic-Silver-Solder-10-Free-Ship-US_W0QQitemZ130227548529QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item130227548529&_trkparms=72%3A552%7C39%3A1%7C65%3A12&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
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I perfer wbt crimps;) But when solder is needed I mostly use WBT. |
Don't worry guys caps still coming I have not forget. I just picked up some solder. 60-40 60% tin. Any comments on audio solder? |
Sorry confused yours with K horn. I sold my 1967 Lascalas for $900. I would sell Lascala and go Altec. |
JohnK you think a modern Lascala sounds like a $2200 speaker??? Do you mean the Lascala is worth $2200 in a fixed up state or sounds like a new $2200 speaker? |
Many alnico mag drivers about today plus now we have neodymium. I even had some fostexs with a cobolt mags. Ive collected much vintage modernized some still wasent as good as modern. But was fun and interesting plus you learn something from mucking about hard to put a cost on knowledge. There is something special about klipsch this you know already or you wouldnt be waisting time and funds on upgrades. Just set your goals more realisticaly improving sound of a collectable loudspeaker not trying to built it into a SOTA horn system. Good luck with your modifications and happy listening. JK |
JohnK that is why I am just putting in realitively cheap cap upgrade. I am unsure if I have rose colored glasses but I did LOVE those speakers? I am not a vintage guy. The case the vintage guys can claim with old Klipsch is the Alnico magnets. Alnico did become very expensive. That is a fact and Klipsch took it out. Cost prohibitive in most cases. ($30 a pound compared to 50 cent ceramic) I have owned two sets of Klipsch Lascala and Heresy II's and the Heresy II's were nowhere near as good as a friends Heresy I's. II's were ALL about cost reduction. You could see it and we did compare them and you could hear it! I was ticked. So companies do go through phases like Klipsch where is was high quality and then instead of raising the price of Klipsch with the Alnico's they went cheaper parts and THAT is what the vintage will grab onto. Klipsch was a highend name at one time but I do not feel that way about them anymore. I think when the bean counters took over from PWK it became just about making money. So vintage guys do have that one point it has happened time and time again in business.
I bet you can name a ton of companies that happened to
Nakamichi (tape decks went wayyy down)
Klipsch
JBL?
The list is huge!
In a very short while I will know if I have rose colored glasses or there was something special about old Klipsch? |
Fan boys will always say what they are into is the best. Plus you get the old back in my day klipsch was the king and still nothing better. I hear the same from collectors of most all vintage items. Always was better back in the day seen through rose colored glasses. Altecs are better and cheaper than klipsch. And thats just the start. If you love klipsch fine but far from state of the art even when modernised. I would say they will sound like a $2250 loudspeaker:) Thats about what good used K horns go for. Keep in mind some of this hobbies about having fun many forget this. And if your having a good time with the khorns thats what its about not trying to find some SOTA that doesnt exist. |
Some people have told me you can not buy a speaker for less than around $10k and beat the Klipsch? After done will they sound like a 10k speaker or a $500 one that they do now? |
Picked up some crossover wire. Tested both speakers at 4.3ohms. Not sure if caps will have any effect on the resistance at least as far as a measureable number. I just wrote the numbers down. Quite excited to try this out. |
The caps that are going in are Sonic caps. They are supposed to be semi-highend on a affordable budget.
Kind of excited. Wondering how much the old caps have gone bad? Bob Crites who is a good guy says he has tested hundreds of old caps and they were all not in spec. Since mine sound so bad I am SURE they are no exception.
I wonder if this will lead to a complete rebuild of crossover? |
Linn speakers hooked back up. Voices are oh so smooth. Easy to focus on detail and you want too! Sounds beautiful.
A Taste of Honey (Beatles)
Still can't tell if Ringo hitting the cymbal with a brush. When he hits with a drum stick though the sound is nice. Ringo's drums much, much better to follow. Much better seperation of voices. Everything sounds way more musical.
Downside of the Linn is the Beatles are around 3 ft tall. Sound stage much smaller. About half the Klipsch size.
Linn
Instruments real
voices wayyyy better
want to listen more
The more you listen the more you like
Fine detail wayyyy out of Klipsch league
Linn sounds like a beautiful stereo but a stereo none the less.
Klipsch
Life size image but a mess
Klipsch hit you fast with the size of everything. First thing you say is Wow what a huge sound stage!
Klipsch sound like a bad live concert and make everything feel like a concert even when it is not supposed too.
Both speakers cost about the same used. So this is fair in the $ sense. The Klipsch are somewhat more new.
Ideal world would be Klipsch true to life sound stage with the finesse and ease of listend too of a more modern speaker. The Linn's are ahead by a mile now. The only unknown is how much of the negative of the Klipsch is caused by worn out crossover components. The Klipsch could get better? By how much? The Linn cannot have the same sound stage. The detail can be improved by even better upstream components but the sound stage will always be smaller.
Right now 1/2 scale beautiful is knocking out full scale mess.
For anyone buying used Klipsch with original components they are not in the league of more modern speakers! Can they be brought to modern levels. I hope so they COULD give life size image on a beer budget. |
Caps coming and should be here later this week ot early next. Really curious how much difference to expect? Other speakers hooked back up and I take back about them being boring. Other speakers not boring they just do not shout at you like my Klipsch do. I am going up to listen to some of the same records with my comments in hand. |
Had to take the gear back to the other speakers. I just could not stand the Klipsch any more. I have with help of others re-thought the crossover to just getting new inexpensive caps. If the Klipsch do not at least sound not defective they will be sold. JohnK may be right? If they sound chaotic and not even close with new caps. Why bother? I am not sure how much is age (age of the caps) also age of me? I am aging and musical tastes are changing. I hear guys talk about Eddie's eruption being great on Klipsch but that is me 10% now and nothing against eruption but that is not me 90% anymore. (used to be) I think the higher end companies appeal to an older music and it makes sense. Guys in there 50's and 60's which is not me yet (Thank goodness) are looking maybe for a more mature sound than the big Klipsch. Maybe why my other speakers sound sooooo much better on a much wider variety of music. The Klipsch make everything sound like a rock concert but not everything SHOULD sound like a concert.
Another thing that I wonder is can the Klipsch reveal higher end gear? I have heard guys talk about they felt there gear was maybe moving beyond Klipsch. The last TT ugrade I did I took back to the dealer because I could not hear any difference at home. At the dealer against a comparable old TT I was shocked! at the improvement yet it was not showing up in my Klipsch. Is this why many people (I know not all) use Klipsch with quite low end gear. Do they feel it is not worth it for better source and amplification?
In fact each upgrade seem to reveal more problems in the speakers or maybe the caps were going down at such a rate they kept sounding worse no matter what.
PWK was a master at getting a lot out of realitively cheap components. I heard once the PIO caps were automotive grade??? The crossover and connections with lamp cord are clearly out of step with today. I know PWK once said anything more than lampcord was bullshit. Yet I could HEAR the difference going to 12 gauge monster 25 years ago over cheap speaker wire. So has time just marched on past these once magical speakers???
I will give the speakers the $100 cap replacement after all that is the least I can do for a speaker that has given me 25 years of joy (owned for 27) without even a dime spent on them. |
Addition to log. (likely the last with old crossover!)
A taste of Honey by the Beatles.
Drums on the left and I can't figure out for sure if Ringo is hitting the cymbals with a brush? Not sure what the sound is? Sound is dynamic and frustrating.
Seperation of instruments not as good as (memory) of these speakers.
Everything has a higher noise level than normal.
Sounds seems tilted to the mids and they are breaking up.
Can't focus on drumming mid range to prominent.
Come Together (Beatles)
Symbals are hard and irritating!
Abbey Road none of the instruments sound real. Paul playing the bass is likely the least bad. Anything in the higher range is MUCH worse. You can not focus on Paul's playing the high freq will drive you from the room!
Best way to describe sound is a dynamic mess. If I had not owned these speakers for so long (an LOVED last 5 years with better gear) I would not keep them. Only my feeling of the caps being shot is the only reason I am putting money into them. They are more frustrating then my other speakers by a mile! Then can do great things but they are not? My Linn's are boring but nice. (in comparision) Klipsch you just can't get past the HARD sound. At this point the strong points of these speaker hyper detail is the BIG negative.
Do caps really slow the info coming through this much!!????
When you read this in the future you should be able to tell at least what to expect on Klipsch crossover rebuild. I do not work for Klipsch or the people making the crossover or the caps company. I am not a vintage guy only either. I may be a horn guy though, not sure? No financial involvement in any way.
It just might help with the justifaction of spending as much on the speakers to bring back past glory or it might be better to say Ya it was great but time to move on the speakers are done.
I used to hear no faults in these speakers and if rated 100 they are now a 20. In fact I am concerned about damage to my gear?
I want You (Beatles)
I used to LOVE Paul's bass playing in that long song! I never wanted it to end. I remember when the speakers went bad I thought it was the cartrdige. Noise level went up.
The speakers even seem slow? They never sounded that way before they went bad? They sound more muffled and tighter than they should. Does not sound like a band playing together and they are not commucating any emotion which I always thought was there strong point.
Here Comes the Sun
Ringo drums muffled and the symbal at the end of the drum roll is garbage!
What was scarry real before is just scarry!
Am I crazy trying to back old magic??? I am desperate! JohnK is right I am throwing money (and have been for the past year) at the problem. I have replaced all my gear in the process of getting the magic back. Now another 1k+ on repairs. This hobby will drive you to extremes. The only upside is I am not chasing a "new" and "better" sound just want the old sound back.
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Alnico magnet compression driver. Improved from pauls time I feel they where less well made after 1970s.VG email me if you want horn system pics. |
JohnK sorry but what is Alnico "comp"? Do you have pics of your new ones? What has improved from PWK era? |
